The real reason McCarthy was hired has nothing to do with his barn or analytics

cowboyec · Dec 1, 2020

MMObserver said:
In 1988, Big Mac was a grad assistant at Ft. Hays State in Kansas ... and Joe Montana was quarterbacking the 49ers to a 3rd SB win.

McCarthy "developed" Montana about as much as the Lakers coach developed Lebron James this past season.

Additionally, prior to the 2005 draft, Big Mac, then the 49ers offensive coordinator, was tasked by his good buddy and then SF head coach Mike Nolan to opine on which QB the 49ers should take with the #1 overall pick. Big Mac decided the kid who played all the way on the other side of SF Bay at Cal and grew up a 49er fan was not as good a prospect as Alex Smith and the 49ers thus selected Alex #1 overall.

In 2006, Mac was hired by GB and had to make do with Favre (who had two of his best seasons ever in 2007 and 2009) and Rodgers as his backup. Poor guy.

Now, it is certainly true that "it went stale in GB" during Big Mac's tenure up there.

And, in a year in which soon to be 37 year old Aaron Rodgers has thrown 33 TDs (and just 4 INTs) through 11 games for the 8-3 Packers (and he is throwing them to one excellent receiver in Davante Adams and a bunch of scrubs named Valdez-Scantling, Lazard, and Tonyan,) I'd wager that a significant majority of Packer fans would agree that not only is "McCarthy not a great HC" but that he is not even much of a QB coach -- at least at this stage of his career.

I submit "The real reason" the Cowboys hired McCarthy has less to do with his coaching acumen than some of his other demonstrated "attributes."

he wasn't the only one who whiffed on rodgers...considering how far he fell on draft day.
and EVERYBODY that year was high on alex smith as the #1 QB in the class.

MikeB80 · Dec 1, 2020

I'm sorry are you trying to tell someone that Mike McCarthy had anything to do with Joe Montana? Are you saying Mike McCarthy developed Joe Montana.

Please stop with this stuff. the guy is a terrible coach and had zero to do with joe montana and more than likely very little to do with Aaron Rodgers. In fact when he had a young Alex Smith in 05 smith was terrible. A year later with norv turner in SF smith was much better.

foofighters · Dec 1, 2020

Parcells4Life said:
It’s not talked about enough, but I really think the reason he was hired has nothing to do with his barn workshop or 30 min TV special about analytics.

It was 100% about he has developed Montana, Rodgers and others. The Jones’ wanted someone that would take care of their Dak investment. Basically they hired the most expensive QB coach there is.

Playcalling and team management were secondary on the list of reasons. So when Dak goes down, what’s McCarthys purpose? Develop Nooch?

It went stale in GB because Rodgers was developed to the point he no longer needed McCarthy. McCarthy is not a great HC. He’s a great specialist who needs other good specialists around him like Dom Capers to win big games.

You are correct but we've had the same head coach for a long time: Coach Jones...

perrykemp · Dec 1, 2020

I think it's possible that MM did contribute a LOT to turning Favre around, developing Aaron Rodgers into a HOF QB, YET still believe that somewhere along the way MM stopped evolving, stopped getting better, and that the game has passed him by.

I think both are true. Unfortunately, none of these is helpful to the Cowboys. The fact is we have the washed up vs MM and I don't see him re-inventing himself like Andy Reid did after he was fired in Philly.

Chocolate Lab · Dec 1, 2020

Reports have indicated that if Jerry hadn't been so impressed with Mike's interview, we'd still have Garrett.

So perfect or not, MM at least saved us from that.

conner01 · Dec 1, 2020

DasSchnitzel said:
My gut feeling is that JJ has been wanting MM for years and everytime GB beat Dallas, the belief grew stronger that MM was a great coach. Thus, very short interview process, because MM interviewed on field in beat down after beat down.

I agree
Jerry tried the hire a young guy and develope him with Garrett
But I think Jerry wanted a proven vet and he respected MM

JonesBoys · Dec 1, 2020

Parcells4Life said:
McCarthy’s go to is how he does his footwork with QBs and worked with Gannon in KC, Favre, Rodgers, Montana, Bulger, etc. The TV special talked about his drill that Montana did.

It’s easy to see that the Jones would get caught up in that aspect and think he can turn Dak into Aaron Rodgers which they think fixes all their other problems.

Since the Jones boys aren’t football people it’s easy to see how they get caught up in stupidity.

CouchCoach · Dec 1, 2020

I believe he was hired for the same reason that his predecessor was retained and the owner admitted it, comfort. He convinced the Joneses that he knew what the priorities of the job are in that 12 hour interview.

Priority #1, keep the owner happy. No other priorities are necessary.

We have actually heard and seen less of McC than we did Garrett. That was the #1 requirement of any candidate of the job, know his place and that isn't in the camera lens or in front of the mic when the owner is around.

There are a lot of type A personality coaches around that would not do well under these circumstances, Parcells knew he had to have that written into his contract.

Any HC candidate knows he must not just allow but enable this owner his addiction to showing off. It isn't the money, it is the attention the money brings and how many other well healed owners do you know all about their 1M Booger's Boogie Bus, chopper, cost of the stadium and boat? Hell, he's even bragging about attendance during a pandemic.

McC is there because he knows to keep from throwing any shade on his boss. Garrett was the master at that.

dreghorn2 · Dec 1, 2020

McCarthy was the face of the franchise in Green Bay as it related to the media.

The set up in GB with public ownership left him as the main team spokesperson. I believe he mentioned that he was looking forward to stepping back into a more traditional head coach media role versus the one he expeirenced with the Packers.

DenCWBY · Dec 1, 2020

brooksey1 said:
McCarthy was hired because he'll do what he's told and he used to coach the GB packers, won a SB.

Correct. JJ made the easiest choice so not to be criticized by the media however also not to be replaced as the face of the DC. A younger, more aggressive/dynamic coach could easily replace JJ as the key ingredient to success. JJ's ego just can't handle that over the teams success.

Cowfan75 · Dec 1, 2020

We all know why MM was hired. He needed to only convince Jerry that he could say the right things after a loss.

TequilaCowboy · Dec 1, 2020

UM said he was willing to listen to Dallas about the HC job, not that he would take it. He wanted to hear it from Jerry that he could have complete control a la Jimmy Johnson. I don't know if Jerry ever reached out to UM, but either way that was understood by both i feel. Think about it...every HC who has come in contact with Jerry, has had their future end with failure. Even Jimmy, could not stand the constant meddling and flapping lips of Jerry. Parcells quit and went into retirement. All the other little peon coaches he has hired were just hand puppets of Jerry who he could dispose of like used TP when the actual problem was him. No qualified, self-respecting, intelligent HC will work for a man like this. Our only hope now is that after jerry kicks the bucket, Stevie boy learns that his daddy's way is not the way for success. Let's hope his ego does not get in his way too. Oh and MM got hired because first, he agreed to be a YES man, and second he had experience. JJ is just too lazy and incompetent to interview a HC...its like me interviewing a brain surgeon for head of advanced neurosurgical care..

Miller · Dec 1, 2020

Bobhaze said:
You may be right about that. But what I don’t understand is why they didn’t look seriously at anyone else. Other than the Rooney Rule interview they had by phone with Marvin Lewis, they did no other interviews besides McCarthy. I’m just curious why. Most organizations usually interview more candidates. Obviously this isn’t like most organizations.

I still don’t get why your first interview wasn’t Bienemy. This is a guy people respect snd who was learning under a guy running the #1 offense. To me this came down to Jerry having to keep one of his guys...Moore. I don’t care if they say MM made the decision. Don’t buy it. Especially after MM said he’d never give up that power again

CowboyDan · Dec 1, 2020

Parcells4Life said:
It’s not talked about enough, but I really think the reason he was hired has nothing to do with his barn workshop or 30 min TV special about analytics.

It was 100% about he has developed Montana, Rodgers and others. The Jones’ wanted someone that would take care of their Dak investment. Basically they hired the most expensive QB coach there is.

Playcalling and team management were secondary on the list of reasons. So when Dak goes down, what’s McCarthys purpose? Develop Nooch?

It went stale in GB because Rodgers was developed to the point he no longer needed McCarthy. McCarthy is not a great HC. He’s a great specialist who needs other good specialists around him like Dom Capers to win big games.

The guy has a .600 career winning percentage as head coach. He's more than just an expensive QB coach.

dckid · Dec 1, 2020

Parcells4Life said:
It’s not talked about enough, but I really think the reason he was hired has nothing to do with his barn workshop or 30 min TV special about analytics.

It was 100% about he has developed Montana, Rodgers and others. The Jones’ wanted someone that would take care of their Dak investment. Basically they hired the most expensive QB coach there is.

Playcalling and team management were secondary on the list of reasons. So when Dak goes down, what’s McCarthys purpose? Develop Nooch?

It went stale in GB because Rodgers was developed to the point he no longer needed McCarthy. McCarthy is not a great HC. He’s a great specialist who needs other good specialists around him like Dom Capers to win big games.

This is why this organization sucks. Jerry has never understood the big picture when it came to running this football operation. The proof is in the results. Abject failure since Jimmy Johnson left.
Big Mike was hired but we keep boy wonder calling the plays. What an idiotic approach to running your team. Just like when Wade Phillips was hired after Jason Garrett was offensive coordinator.
Winning culture starts from the top and that is where we fail.
Please flush the QB and hire Eric Bienimy or Joe Brady.

gjkoeppen · Dec 1, 2020

DasSchnitzel said:
My gut feeling is that JJ has been wanting MM for years and everytime GB beat Dallas, the belief grew stronger that MM was a great coach. Thus, very short interview process, because MM interviewed on field in beat down after beat down.

If that was true Jones could have fired Garrett after the 2018 season and hired McCarthy then. He already was fired before the 2018 season was over.
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817Gill · Dec 1, 2020

Parcells4Life said:
Because the only thing that mattered to them was Daks development and no one available had the skins on the wall. Lincoln Riley who was my choice hasn’t coached a down of NFL football and as Baker is finding out there’s a big difference between Big 12 and the NFL.

I really don’t know who else that was available would have been viable to meet their qualification? Maybe Ron Rivera if he’d brought Norv, but wasn’t he already hired before McCarthy?

Joe Judge, Kevin Stefanski aren’t known to be proven QB gurus.

Wasn’t a good coaching market at all. I’m not sure about this years either but it’s not like there was a clear better choice.

starfan1 · Dec 1, 2020

Im looking at the thread title here. I know what analytics are but what the heck is BARN? Am i to assume jerry and Big Mac are into sheep and goats? seriously what is BARN

McKDaddy · Dec 1, 2020

Swagger said:
I will give McCarthy credit for backing Rodgers after the decision had been made to move on from Favre after he had retired...only to change his mind again. It took strong character from Big-Mac to move on from the old turnover machine to Aaron Rodgers knowing that ill informed fans would prefer Favre to have been kept on even though by that point in his career he was knee capping the team.

as much as i hate ragging on a fellow Mississippian, Favre was way overrated. not that he wasn't super talented but people just didn't want to see his turnovers and bad decisions. I worked with a huge Packers fan and told her that Rodgers would make GB forget all about Favre. She thought i was crazy.

Pantone282C · Dec 1, 2020

brooksey1 said:
McCarthy was hired because he'll do what he's told and he used to coach the GB packers, won a SB.

That is looking like bottom line thinking. Makes me wonder if he had already reached that decision prior to not rehiring Garrett.
Urban Meyer had been recently diagnosed with his heart problems, so I seriously doubt he was going anywhere soon - no matter who came calling.

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