Derrick Henry vs Ezekiel Elliott

aria said:

If 90% of other NFL RB’s carried the ball as much as he did, behind the same O line, they would have had similar results or better. Now people complain that we over used him which is what you do with RB’s and why you don’t sign them to second expensive contracts. Without that O line and without carrying the ball as much as he did then he would have never had those titles. Ray Charles could see that he wouldn’t be able to keep up that type of endurance and physicality carrying the ball that much.

Not to mention, RB’s are much easier to find than DB’s and DB’s are much more crucial to winning than an overpaid diva who is only successful with a top 5 O line.

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LACowboysFan1 said:

Same old argument "it's all o-line, other backs could have done the same".

Fact is there WEREN'T other backs running the ball for the Cowboys from 2016 on. Can't know if others could have done as well, can't go back in time and replay the seasons.

Tired of the 20-20 hindsight and "what ifs". Is it also a fact that Zeke isn't doing what he did, stat-wise, both good and bad, as he was in 2016 or 2018? Sure, the numbers alone don't lie, if nothing else. But again looking at the facts, this is the first year he's not been very good to great. In 2017 he only played 10 games due to Goodell's penalty, but he was averaging 98.3 ypc and 0.7 tds per game, extrapolate that over 16 games and you have over 1,500 yards and about 11 tds, right in line with his other years. Number one in the league in 2016 and 2018. His ypc before this year were 5.1, 4.1, 4.7 and 4.5. Not too shabby. Emmit had a 5.3, 4.7 and 4.6 his best 3 years, essentially the same. He had a 3.7 ypc year in 1996, as bad as Zeke is doing this year he's still 0.2 ypc above that. Backs are allowed to have off seasons, IT HAPPENS.

And before I get inundated with the "how dare you say Zeke is as good as Emmitt", I'm not saying that. There's more to it than stats, Emmitt had other things that made him great, he also had 15 seasons to prove it. Zeke's only in his 5th.

So this year is 3.9. That's bad. So I get it, running backs aren't allowed to have an off year, whatever the reason. And if you get a fat contract, you aren't allowed to have an off year, whatever the reason.

Well that's not life folks, Zeke is a person, on a team. Things don't always turn out peachy keen like we want them to. It's not totally up to Zeke to do well, there are lots of other factors.
No loyalty here to the players, have a bad year and it's off the trash heap with you! We paid you a lot, so you have to be great, regardless of anything else, right?

All I'm saying is Zeke's still young, he has time to return to form. Maybe he is "off" because of having the Covid, in which case people here can't allow for that and give him a chance to get back to greatness next year?

Yes we're all upset (well at least most of us) at this season, and the prior 26 seasons. I, and many others, are used to SB successes. It's hard to swallow this season. I watch the various sports shows about the NFL on television, Dallas is seldom mentioned, and if they are it's usually in a bad light. Have to watch endless slobbering over Mahomes and the Steelers, among others.

But taking out our frustrations on one of our own players, who's done great things for the team, is shameful. If he was doing drugs, or getting suspended for peds or such, he deserves to be blasted. But that's not the case..

Criticize his fumbles, his coming out of games so much and so forth, that's a lot on him personally, but even at that, he's trying his best. We all have shortcomings at times, how would you like your boss blasting because you missed two weeks with illness and got behind in your work and are having a hard time catching up? Saying you should be fired because this year you're not up to expectations?

Long post but referring to a line in the movie Red October "Give the man a chance"...

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CalPolyTechnique said:

Sounds like you’re saying Zeke is better than Emmitt...

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LACowboysFan1 said:

Same old argument "it's all o-line, other backs could have done the same".

Fact is there WEREN'T other backs running the ball for the Cowboys from 2016 on. Can't know if others could have done as well, can't go back in time and replay the seasons.

Tired of the 20-20 hindsight and "what ifs". Is it also a fact that Zeke isn't doing what he did, stat-wise, both good and bad, as he was in 2016 or 2018? Sure, the numbers alone don't lie, if nothing else. But again looking at the facts, this is the first year he's not been very good to great. In 2017 he only played 10 games due to Goodell's penalty, but he was averaging 98.3 ypc and 0.7 tds per game, extrapolate that over 16 games and you have over 1,500 yards and about 11 tds, right in line with his other years. Number one in the league in 2016 and 2018. His ypc before this year were 5.1, 4.1, 4.7 and 4.5. Not too shabby. Emmit had a 5.3, 4.7 and 4.6 his best 3 years, essentially the same. He had a 3.7 ypc year in 1996, as bad as Zeke is doing this year he's still 0.2 ypc above that. Backs are allowed to have off seasons, IT HAPPENS.

And before I get inundated with the "how dare you say Zeke is as good as Emmitt", I'm not saying that. There's more to it than stats, Emmitt had other things that made him great, he also had 15 seasons to prove it. Zeke's only in his 5th.

So this year is 3.9. That's bad. So I get it, running backs aren't allowed to have an off year, whatever the reason. And if you get a fat contract, you aren't allowed to have an off year, whatever the reason.

Well that's not life folks, Zeke is a person, on a team. Things don't always turn out peachy keen like we want them to. It's not totally up to Zeke to do well, there are lots of other factors.
No loyalty here to the players, have a bad year and it's off the trash heap with you! We paid you a lot, so you have to be great, regardless of anything else, right?

All I'm saying is Zeke's still young, he has time to return to form. Maybe he is "off" because of having the Covid, in which case people here can't allow for that and give him a chance to get back to greatness next year?

Yes we're all upset (well at least most of us) at this season, and the prior 26 seasons. I, and many others, are used to SB successes. It's hard to swallow this season. I watch the various sports shows about the NFL on television, Dallas is seldom mentioned, and if they are it's usually in a bad light. Have to watch endless slobbering over Mahomes and the Steelers, among others.

But taking out our frustrations on one of our own players, who's done great things for the team, is shameful. If he was doing drugs, or getting suspended for peds or such, he deserves to be blasted. But that's not the case..

Criticize his fumbles, his coming out of games so much and so forth, that's a lot on him personally, but even at that, he's trying his best. We all have shortcomings at times, how would you like your boss blasting because you missed two weeks with illness and got behind in your work and are having a hard time catching up? Saying you should be fired because this year you're not up to expectations?

Long post but referring to a line in the movie Red October "Give the man a chance"...

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aria said:

Actually there were other backs, Alfred Morris ring a bell? Why don’t you look at his stats when zeke was suspended and get back to me. The 2016 O line was very similar to 2014 and 2015. Why don’t you look at Murrays stats in 2014 and a washed up McFadden in 2015 and get back to me.

We didn’t need a top RB in 2016, it was a complete waste of a draft pick and an even bigger waste of a 2nd contract.

I don’t care about Emmitt and I never mentioned Emmitt. You keep crow barring Emmitt into the conversation for some odd reason. When Emmitt played it was a different game, different players and different coaches. Leave your obsession with Emmitt out of this conversation, perhaps you should start a new Emmitt vs seke thread if you’re that fascinated with the comparisons.

The problem with zeke this year is the same problem that some of us have seen since 2017, he’s not all that without a top O line, He was average to below average in several individual statistical categories (ie forced missed tackles, yards after contact, yards after catch, elusiveness, etc) and the O line has been masking those issues for him. Now once he doesn’t have that O line you see him for what he really is, a fading below average RB. The only chance of him making any recovery if he has another top 5 O lone next year and if thats the case then we could use a much cheaper RB and get the same production. Nothing he does individually is elite. You want short yards, get a FB for a fraction of the price. Want speed (which he doesn’t have) use Pollard. He’s wasted money.

If he was doing drugs?! LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL...like he was in college or like he was when he was quarantining at home while being “low key faded”. Maybe COVID has nothing to do with his horrendous performance but sitting around getting drunk and high during the off season does. I did have to self quarantine and I was responsible, stayed home and watched movies. If my boss found out I was getting drunk and stoned while I was allegedly “ill” than I wouldn’t have a job.

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aria said:

Actually there were other backs, Alfred Morris ring a bell? Why don’t you look at his stats when zeke was suspended and get back to me. The 2016 O line was very similar to 2014 and 2015. Why don’t you look at Murrays stats in 2014 and a washed up McFadden in 2015 and get back to me.

We didn’t need a top RB in 2016, it was a complete waste of a draft pick and an even bigger waste of a 2nd contract.



If he was doing drugs?! LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL...like he was in college or like he was when he was quarantining at home while being “low key faded”. Maybe COVID has nothing to do with his horrendous performance but sitting around getting drunk and high during the off season does. I did have to self quarantine and I was responsible, stayed home and watched movies. If my boss found out I was getting drunk and stoned while I was allegedly “ill” than I wouldn’t have a job.

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LACowboysFan1 said:

Has he been arrested for DWI/DUI? No. Has he been arrested for drug use? No. Has he been suspended for ped use? No. Has he been arrested for domestic or other violence? No. Has he been accused of being a "locker room cancer" No. Has he complained about not getting lots of carries? No.

As far him not being a top rb with out a top O oline, you do remember Frederick missed all of 2018? And Zeke still won the rushing title.

I've already noted his performance except for 2020, you can ignore that all you wish, but it's still valid.

He's here for the next two years, have fun hating, I guess that keeps you going...

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shabazz said:

Agree with all of these statements........I still maintain that Zeke came into this league with all the physical attributes to make him a HOFer, however he squandered it because of an immature mindset

He’s turned out to be the poster boy for this “Entitlement” generation that has been coddled since birth and told how special they are. Like most of the NBA players, they have seldom been held responsible for their action or inactions.

The 2nd contract should have never been given.....it just turned him into a slug.....and that’s a dam shame

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LACowboysFan1 said:

That's only if someone reads it that way, which is why I put the disclaimer. Not my first rodeo here.

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kskboys said:

Very well said.

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aria said:

Was he handcuffed for bullying a security guard? Yes
Did he pull up a womans top in public while being investigated for DV against a woman? Yes
Did he knock out a DJ in a Dallas nightclub? Yes
Did he have to be restrained from attacking another DJ in Vegas? Yes
Did he accidentally admit to being drunk and high publicly? Yes
Did he admit to lots of drug use in college? Yes
Did he screw over fans and promoters at a signing event? Yes
Did his daddy have to move closer to him in college due to his drug use? Yes
Did his roommate (Joey Bosa) move out due to his drug use? Yes
Did he hold the team hostage by sitting out with an unprecedented 2 years left on his contract and refused to even show up to training camp with his teammates until he was paid as the highest paid RB ever? Yes

Arrests can mean very little when determining the character of a person. If I was caught or punished for everything I’ve done I would be doing life but way to act like he’s a great guy and model football player because he’s never been arrested.

Awwweee...Frederick missed all of 2018 so he only had two All Pros and multi Pro Bowl linemen to block for him, along with a damn good RT. I’m not sure any other line in the league even had that.

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LACowboysFan1 said:

Has he been arrested for DWI/DUI? No. Has he been arrested for drug use? No. Has he been suspended for ped use? No. Has he been arrested for domestic or other violence? No. Has he been accused of being a "locker room cancer" No. Has he complained about not getting lots of carries? No.

As far him not being a top rb with out a top O oline, you do remember Frederick missed all of 2018? And Zeke still won the rushing title.

I've already noted his performance except for 2020, you can ignore that all you wish, but it's still valid.

He's here for the next two years, have fun hating, I guess that keeps you going...

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shabazz said:

We all have to admit that the crazy dude on here named “DerrickHenry” was 100% right

For 3 months he told us what a bunch of buffoons we were for taking Zeke instead of Derrick Henry and for the first 2 to 3 years he was wrong.......but that dude ain’t wrong anymore

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jterrell said:

Derrick Henry has been better than Zeke in 2 seasons in a 5 season career.
He may well prove to be far better on 2nd contracts largely because he had far fewer carries on his first contract than Zeke.

Derrick Henry has only crossed 220 carries twice and one of those is already this season. We'll see how he looks next year after back to back 300 carry seasons. I know it seems crazy but perhaps we don't judge Zeke too harshly in a season where he's missing 4 of his 5 projected off-season OL starters.

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black label said:

both suk ballz when u make them a 4rth pik lol

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mattjames2010 said:

Zeke has been steadily declining since his rookie season. Many were criticizing him two years ago, he has always been a volume guy rather than a game breaker.

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