News: Should the Cowboys Seriously Consider Moving on From Ezekiel Elliott?

Ranched · Dec 9, 2020

nmcowboys said:
Zeke is a top 5 running back

blueblood70 · Dec 9, 2020

LACowboysFan1 said:
So the great Tony Pollard finally got more chances to run. Great! But 8 carries for 22 yards, 2.8 ypc. 2 straight carries for no gain or a loss. Meanwhile until his last 3 attempts, all stupid "run into the middle of the Ravens' defense where the defense was waiting for him", Zekewas like 15 for 75, 5.0 ypc. Broke over 10 yard runs, made moves, and NO fumbles.
Yes the o-line played a bit better, Zeke benefitted, but then if the line was better why did Pollard do so poorly?

It's only one game, sure, but you can't take away Zeke's efforts this game, he did pretty darn good for running behind all backups but for Williams, himself hardly a Pro Bowler...

exactly..

conner01 · Dec 9, 2020

RonnieT24 said:
LMAO.. "he is running behind would be practice squad guys with bums at QB.." What's wrong with him? Anything for click bait I guess.

I get the production issues with the line but that’s not been the real issue with zeke. It’s the turnovers and that’s on zeke, not the line

blueblood70 · Dec 9, 2020

daboyzruleperiod said:

umm not decline a bad team No OL no passing threat a horrible defense and an OC that doesnt know how to spell run scheme..right use this year to prove a false narrative

we call that trolling..

none of those top backs do any better in the same situation. Trust me put zeke in CLE, Tennessee, or a place that values run games amnd zeke is back to zeke

but good try finding the year to finally try and use a ranking vs reality of our team frankly suks we are using a team of backups fans are horrible what a db..

you know what declining , a the fan base, you arent fans you like to trash all things cowboys why because its easier then having backbone and standing up for your team? weak minded individuals..

conner01 · Dec 9, 2020

CouchCoach said:
What are the cap implications? That's the tricky part of this and it's unknown how the NFL/NFLPA is going to treat this upcoming season.

I still believe there's something wrong with Elliott. He doesn't have same snap and on this fumbles he was carrying the ball wrong and that's not his usual game. Don't know if this is a temporary thing, maybe a holdover from the summer, or a real decline but he's not the same RB.

The fumbles are my biggest complaint
But the team built into his contract the ability to move on and they will as soon as they can and that’s not now

CalPolyTechnique · Dec 9, 2020

blueblood70 said:
Not true
he was running for 5.3 ypc through 3 qtrs against that ravens solid DL and our garbage OL... not sure why any fan thinks hes done..they wore him out this year being on the field to block like FB , pass routes and his own carries and hes still trying hard...

“Another brilliant theory Blue!!!” — Jason

jterrell · Dec 9, 2020

buybuydandavis said:
Dead cap is dead cap. Sunk cost. Shuffling it around between years is accounting. Throwing more poor value money at Zeke to kick some of that can down the road just makes the cap situation worse.

2021 is *already* guaranteed, but we have to guarantee 2022 to get it.

Basically, we get the next 2 years for the price of 2022. 12.4 total, so 6.2mil a year. Zeke's play *this* year would not justify that.

Under 4ypc and a fumbling machine. What part of that is worth 6.2mil/year?

For all those complaining about the oline, its run blocking has been ranked highly, and Pollard is 5.0ypc. The oline is not making Zeke fumble.

At some point, the excuses have to be checked versus reality. Zeke hasn't just been not elite this year, he's been a poor back.

I wouldn't have paid 6.2mil for what Zeke gave this year. Would you?

Accounting matters.
As does cost of replacement.
Zeke hasn't been nearly as bad as people like to pretend.
He still runs hard and with great power.
Last night he accounted for 95 yards.
Tony Pollard had 28 yards even though he played a lot.
There is a very real drop off from Zeke to Pollard.
I'd GLADLY pay 6.2M for Zeke. I'm not that happy about paying 12M but it is what it is and that cost isn't going away.

The stupidest thing Dallas could do is pay him 20M to walk away and make another 6M for some other team competing versus us next year.
Zeke would have had 200 yards for the Ravens versus our rush D last night.

blumayne38 · Dec 9, 2020

starfan1 said:
I know your a RB apologist but if your comparing 2014 to 2015 when McFadden played with garbage at QB after Romo got hurt and didnt even play 16 games (10) its not apples to apples. i do understand your point about fans always wanting the back up but this argument dont hold water

He is right

blumayne38 · Dec 9, 2020

Shotgun hand off from the 1 yard line 3 times in a row enough said.... trash play calling on a trash team

dragon_mikal · Dec 9, 2020

The daily dose of stupid I expect from this site now.

Yes let’s get rid of Zeke because we all know he’s the reason the team is trash.

And no I didn’t read the stupid article because whether it’s pro Zeke or anti Zeke the stupids still flock to any thread that has a potential scapegoat mentioned.

Loso86 · Dec 9, 2020

blueblood70 said:
yes this place has become a bunch of jaded karens looking to find anything to beat up their team about, wish for losses, and praise other teams and players..sad era we are in..

i do my best to be the choice of reason and find balance in this place..

Agreed. It's much appreciated

dacoming · Dec 9, 2020

big dog cowboy said:
Should the Dallas Cowboys Seriously Consider Moving on From Ezekiel Elliott?
by Rick Thomas on December 8, 2020

The Dallas Cowboys are experiencing one of the worst seasons in franchise history. Through 11 games, they hold a dismal 3-8 record, with virtually no postseason hopes. Pundits are eager to assign blame, pointing fingers at everyone from owner Jerry Jones to coach Mike McCarthy. A significant number of commentators have also highlighted Ezekiel Elliott’s poor year.

Some analysts have even suggested that it’s time for the Cowboys to move on from their star running back. Let’s look at Elliott’s NFL career, his poor performance this year, and whether Dallas needs to consider letting him go.

Dallas selected Elliott with the fourth overall pick of the 2016 NFL Draft. At the time, he was considered among the best running back prospects of the last decade. Not only was he fast and strong, but he also had a preternatural gift for pulling down passes — and blocking opponents. Those high expectations proved totally justified during Elliott’s rookie year.

That season, he made 322 rushing attempts for 1,631 total yards (best in the NFL), with 15 touchdowns and 95 first downs. He compiled a whopping 108.7 rushing yards per game, while also catching 32 passes for 363 passing yards. His dominant season earned Elliott both Pro Bowl and First-team All-Pro selections.

Elliott’s second season was marred by a six-game personal conduct violation. He bounced back in years three and four, racking up 1,434 and 1,457 rushing yards, respectively. The 2018 season also saw Elliott catch a career-high 77 passes, for 567 yards and an 81.1% catch percentage. Elliott earned his second and third Pro Bowl selections in those years, while once again leading the NFL in rushing yards in 2018.

Elliott‘s numbers this season have gone down significantly from his prior years. Through 11 games he has totaled just 707 rushing yards. He’s rushing for just 64.3 yards per game, down over 20 yards from his performance just last season. Meanwhile, he’s making just two less rushing attempts per game — not enough to account for such a big drop-off in performance.

Elliott’s yards per touch stat is also at a career-low at just 4.4 yards per touch, meaning he’s not making up for his lost rushing efficiency when it comes to receiving. That fact is borne out by Elliott’s 72.2% catch percentage, which is down significantly from his numbers in both 2018 and 2019. Meanwhile, Elliott has already fumbled the ball six times, which matches his career-worst total.

Read the rest of the story:

https://www.sportscasting.com/shoul...n-from-ezekiel-elliott/?ref=NEWSandRUMORS.com

I think Zeke is still a great back but McCarthy is not going to use him enough to justify the money. Running backs are not hard to find and personally I wouldn't invest big money in one. This year has been terrible with all the injuries on the OL and Zeke's sudden fumblitis

TexasHillbilly · Dec 9, 2020

MyFairLady said:
Jerry says don't worry gang. We were just unlucky. Everyone is gonna come back next year and take it way more seriously. Next year is our year to shine. At least thats what Jerry says.

That's what my ex-wife said. I wonder if she even realizes I am remarried and have 2 children. She has no clue....kinda like Jerry. :laugh:

lukin2006 · Dec 9, 2020

Release him. Move on.

DandyDon52 · Dec 9, 2020

lol we are stuck with him and jaylon, lawrence, and cooper , and soon dak.
Once they are extended you have to pay them, so might as well play them.
I would only cut one guy, or at least bench him , and that would be jaylon. He does hurt the team.
elliot, I would play him , but let pollard have the 2nd and 4th quarters, and see how he does.

But a big part of elliots woes is poorly designed run plays, poorly designed blocking schemes on those run plays.
So no matter who is rb, those will still lead to no gains, losses, 1 yd gains etc.

John813 · Dec 9, 2020

I rather let Moore go and get another OC than release Zeke for this upcoming offseason. Of course, McCarthy will probably hire Mike Nolan to be his OC after they force him to fire him from his DC spot.

Big_D · Dec 9, 2020

People still think this bell cow is going to work here! lol what a joke! The sooner this team switches to a committee the better this offense will be. Ravens ran us over. Then when it’s time for Dobbins or edwards or Ingram to move on they’ll find another RB. Yet fans think this antiquated garbage is going to net results. Another year sitting home another year pretending everything will be fine with Elliott carrying the load. If that’s the case in 2021, you can chalk next season up too! Paying him was the dumbest move of the past 10 years and that’s really saying something because there’s no shortage of stupidity from this front office. Keeping him and still talking about how great he is? Even dumber. The Joneses never disappoint in that department!

buybuydandavis · Dec 9, 2020

jterrell said:
Accounting matters.
As does cost of replacement.
Zeke hasn't been nearly as bad as people like to pretend.
He still runs hard and with great power.
Last night he accounted for 95 yards.
Tony Pollard had 28 yards even though he played a lot.
There is a very real drop off from Zeke to Pollard.
I'd GLADLY pay 6.2M for Zeke. I'm not that happy about paying 12M but it is what it is and that cost isn't going away.

The stupidest thing Dallas could do is pay him 20M to walk away and make another 6M for some other team competing versus us next year.
Zeke would have had 200 yards for the Ravens versus our rush D last night.

We can't get back what has already been guaranteed to Zeke, we can only decided how much *more* good money we throw in after bad.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunk_cost

YPC
2020 Zeke 3.9 Pollard 4.7
2019 Zeke 4.5 Pollard 5.3

At some point, the excuses and statistical cherry picking have to stop. Those are the complete numbers for the last two years. The argument is that Zeke can't produce because the oline can't block. It seems to block fine for Pollard.

Is 3.9 YPC worth 6.2mil/year?

jterrell · Dec 9, 2020

buybuydandavis said:
We can't get back what has already been guaranteed to Zeke, we can only decided how much *more* good money we throw in after bad.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunk_cost

YPC
2020 Zeke 3.9 Pollard 4.7
2019 Zeke 4.5 Pollard 5.3

At some point, the excuses and statistical cherry picking have to stop. Those are the complete numbers for the last two years. The argument is that Zeke can't produce because the oline can't block. It seems to block fine for Pollard.

Is 3.9 YPC worth 6.2mil/year?

I'm not going to argue with you when you are posting complete and utter nonsense.

In Tennessee Jeremy Nichols is averaging 5.4 yards per carry while Derrick Henry is averaging 4.9 .. dang guess they should cut Henry and save all that money.

Trying to argue a back up is better because they average more yards on a handful of carries is just dumb.

Again no one with a brain watches Pollard and Elliott week in and week out and thinks Pollard is better. That goes beyond dumb to driven by agenda.

All Dallas can control for NEXT YEAR is what they pay Zeke next year in cap dollars. That's it. They can lower his cap hit and use that money in a year they very badly need it to fix the defense or they can pay him large sums of cap cash to walk away to save cap space in 2023. It isn't a tough call for anyone with a brain. You lower his cap, let the starting OL return and see hat he does in 2021. If he is still trending downwards you release him and a post June 1st move when the cap has risen and you can afford it.

Zeke is 5th in the NFL in carries and 6th in rushing yards. Yes that is worth 6M per year. Easily.

It doesn't take a lot of common sense to understand this stuff.

Option A:
Cut bait, pay the freight now, go get a new starting RB with your limited draft resources.

Option B:
Stop acting like a child and reduce the cap hit, let him perform again in 2021 and use the cap cash and draft capital in any of the other 7-8 slots you need to fill.

tyke1doe · Dec 9, 2020

I'd trade him to Pittsburgh for a 1st round pick. They are an elite running back away from a Super Bowl. A change-of-scenery and being surrounded by a winning franchise could do wonders for Zeke.

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