Twitter: Colin: Overpaid for Good players

G2 · Dec 10, 2020

CATCH17 said:
Well it's not just this year..

"You're going into a really average half a decade if things don't change for the Cowboys."

The injuries held us back this year but what ultimately did they hold us back from?

Colin does a good job explaining my belief that you don't pay good players, like Dak, like they are great.

Dallas has a 1 way ticket to mediocreville looking at them.

If you're suggesting Prescott is "just good" there's no need to discuss further. It's beyond idiotic.

CATCH17 · Dec 10, 2020

Streetwise said:
If you're suggesting Prescott is "just good" there's no need to discuss further. It's beyond idiotic.

Well.. I'm on a Cowboy message board so i'm not surprised to find people on here who think he is elite.

This whole video is talking about not paying good players like they are great.

I think Dak's biggest achievement has been his ability to sell fools gold to fans that buy into his stats that come against horrible opponents.

G2 · Dec 10, 2020

CATCH17 said:
Well.. I'm on a Cowboy message board so i'm not surprised to find people on here who think he is elite.

This whole video is talking about not paying good players like they are great.

Did you read me ever say he was elite?
Stop putting words in my mouth in an attempt to not look foolish.
Prescott is well beyond "good." Good is average, you're clueless if you understand the difference. You clearly have struggles with definitions.

Proof · Dec 10, 2020

blumayne38 said:
We gave a 1st for Amari it definitely set us back.

not really. He saved that season and is a stud. And there’s not really any special players that we missed out on between the pick we traded through our 2nd rounder.

shabazz · Dec 10, 2020

817Gill said:
I’m good with all those players getting deals except maybe Zeke. I really don’t get this argument from Collin lol these are logical picks for guys to get paid.

Same here. Zeke is really outplaying his current contract

shabazz · Dec 10, 2020

CATCH17 said:
Well.. I'm on a Cowboy message board so i'm not surprised to find people on here who think he is elite.

This whole video is talking about not paying good players like they are great.

I think Dak's biggest achievement has been his ability to sell fools gold to fans that buy into his stats that come against horrible opponents.

His personal fans would love nothing more than to see Dakota get that 40 million and keep this team average for the next 5 years.....their priority is to see his face representing the Qb position.

The results be damned

cern · Dec 10, 2020

stephen is a good bean counter as the de facto gm.
mcclay does a reasonably good job of bringing in talent.
we are horribly coached. this is the greatest reason for our continued failures since jimmy left.
jerry just needs to step away and schedule moto crosses and other events at at&t.

charron · Dec 10, 2020

You can't pay every player you like elite money.

Brooksey · Dec 10, 2020

thunderpimp91 said:
Eh i think Colin is looking at the wrong things. Dak at a $30MM cap hit is pretty reasonable, DLAW is a top DE in this league, Cooper has been extremely productive despite the QB mess. Zeke ill give to him, overall hes been a pretty average player maybe worse this year between the drops and fumbles. Zach Martin is a top G in the league, Tyron is an issue due to the injuries.

The issue is the rest of the roster, not the top guys for the most part. You have almost nothing at S, DT. LB has been a mess, and you are counting on potential at CB. O line has been a mess with injuries, i cant say i really expect a team to have enough depth to overcome what they have this year, but the Cowboys have done an OK job in that area given the situation.

It's a big reach. The bad contract is Zeke, it will be over soon. Our biggest problem is lack of talent of the defense, specifically we don't draft tackles and safeties well

foofighters · Dec 10, 2020

PAPPYDOG said:

Yet another turd that gets his information from this board. These mediots are something else.

Creeper · Dec 10, 2020

Dak's injury is not an excuse, but anyone who thinks any team can lose their starting QB and win consistently is full of it. And, it is not just Dak. It is their 3 best offensive linemen and a backup to one of them. I don't understand why people excuse the Eagles and 49ers because all of their injuries but then say it is not an excuse for Dallas.

Look at Washington and NY. Washington has 3 name guys on their IR, Kyle Allen, Landon Collins and Matt Ioanidis. Allen replaced Haskins, but it is clear no Alex Smith is the best QB on the Washington FT. Collins is a quality player and a starter but Ioanidis is a backup DT. That's really it for them. No injuries to their starting offensive or defensive lines.

NY has Barkley, Kyler Fackrell, Lorenzo Carter, and Devonta Freeman on IR. Those are their name guys. Danny Jones has a hamstring injury and will miss one, maybe two games. Their entire offensive line is healthy. The same it true for their defensive line. They are banged up at LB, but the rest of that team is healthy and has been for their 4 game winning streak.

The Cowboys are missing 5 starters on offense, including their 3 best offensive linemen. They have during the season had their backups to their two offensive tackles on IR as well. They also had their starting C out and his backup out though not at the same time. The Cowboys have had 3 of their starting CBs out, 2 were out last week and 2 may be out again this week, along with their new starting Safety. Tell me the Giants or WFT would be in first place with that many starters missing time? The 49ers took a nose dive this year too because they are banged up on the offensive line and at CB. The Eagles are in the same boat. The Steelers lost a couple of guy on their OL and lost to Washington. The Seahawks lost a few guys on their OL and lost to the Giants.

The old expression is "everyone is banged up this time of year. But that is not really true. A lot of teams have injuries here and there, but some teams are missing a lot of starters and it does make a difference. It is idiotic to say otherwise. If teams should still win with backup players then rosters mean nothing.

I have no doubt in my mind that the Cowboys would have won the NFC East easily if they were as healthy as the Giants or WFT. They would win with Dalton if they have Tyron Smith, Zack Martin and La'el Collins. They would win with Erving and Martin, as they did in Minnesota - despite their horrible defense. They would probably go 9-7 but they would still win the division.

TheMarathonContinues · Dec 10, 2020

blumayne38 said:
We gave a 1st for Amari it definitely set us back.

That did not set us back at all...unless you think they would've got a top 5 pick that year which I highly doubt. Probably would've been 8-8 like they always were.

TheMarathonContinues · Dec 10, 2020

Creeper said:
Dak's injury is not an excuse, but anyone who thinks any team can lose their starting QB and win consistently is full of it. And, it is not just Dak. It is their 3 best offensive linemen and a backup to one of them. I don't understand why people excuse the Eagles and 49ers because all of their injuries but then say it is not an excuse for Dallas.

Look at Washington and NY. Washington has 3 name guys on their IR, Kyle Allen, Landon Collins and Matt Ioanidis. Allen replaced Haskins, but it is clear no Alex Smith is the best QB on the Washington FT. Collins is a quality player and a starter but Ioanidis is a backup DT. That's really it for them. No injuries to their starting offensive or defensive lines.

NY has Barkley, Kyler Fackrell, Lorenzo Carter, and Devonta Freeman on IR. Those are their name guys. Danny Jones has a hamstring injury and will miss one, maybe two games. Their entire offensive line is healthy. The same it true for their defensive line. They are banged up at LB, but the rest of that team is healthy and has been for their 4 game winning streak.

The Cowboys are missing 5 starters on offense, including their 3 best offensive linemen. They have during the season had their backups to their two offensive tackles on IR as well. They also had their starting C out and his backup out though not at the same time. The Cowboys have had 3 of their starting CBs out, 2 were out last week and 2 may be out again this week, along with their new starting Safety. Tell me the Giants or WFT would be in first place with that many starters missing time? The 49ers took a nose dive this year too because they are banged up on the offensive line and at CB. The Eagles are in the same boat. The Steelers lost a couple of guy on their OL and lost to Washington. The Seahawks lost a few guys on their OL and lost to the Giants.

The old expression is "everyone is banged up this time of year. But that is not really true. A lot of teams have injuries here and there, but some teams are missing a lot of starters and it does make a difference. It is idiotic to say otherwise. If teams should still win with backup players then rosters mean nothing.

I have no doubt in my mind that the Cowboys would have won the NFC East easily if they were as healthy as the Giants or WFT. They would win with Dalton if they have Tyron Smith, Zack Martin and La'el Collins. They would win with Erving and Martin, as they did in Minnesota - despite their horrible defense. They would probably go 9-7 but they would still win the division.

Based on their injuries and the new coaching staff.....this is honestly what should be expected. I just have a issue with some of the decisions McCarthy has made but I for one don't knock him for the record. I'd expect us to be winless. I think what hurts the most is that this defense is historically bad as if just being bad wasn't good enough. I could've tolerated bad.

Rockport · Dec 10, 2020

PAPPYDOG said:

Your using Cowturd? :lmao2:

America's Cowboy · Dec 10, 2020

Jipper said:
i dont worry about paying for dak or zack - those are two premium players in their prime and without health issues at critical roles

Tyron is a maybe - simply becuase of the injury history and im on the crew that is ready to move on from him....however, maybe being off the rest of the year gets him healthy again

Zeke and Cooper - while i like both, were dumb contracts - zeke especially, cooper was not dumb at the time but in retrospect its dumb since we picked up lamb

Dlaw - this one is so hard....guy is very good but just doesn't get the stats....IF we had a good DT push i dont think we would be having the same concerns with this guys contract, but the problem is that hes literally the only talent on the worst dline in football and is just not worth the dollars.

THIS!!! ^^^^
:clap:

America's Cowboy · Dec 10, 2020

Rockport said:
Your using Cowturd?

Bro, like the saying goes: Birds of a feather, flock together.

Cowturd is a turd. He attracts liked minded floaters.
:laugh:

CanadianCowboysFan · Dec 10, 2020

Jipper said:
i dont worry about paying for dak or zack - those are two premium players in their prime and without health issues at critical roles

Tyron is a maybe - simply becuase of the injury history and im on the crew that is ready to move on from him....however, maybe being off the rest of the year gets him healthy again

Zeke and Cooper - while i like both, were dumb contracts - zeke especially, cooper was not dumb at the time but in retrospect its dumb since we picked up lamb

Dlaw - this one is so hard....guy is very good but just doesn't get the stats....IF we had a good DT push i dont think we would be having the same concerns with this guys contract, but the problem is that hes literally the only talent on the worst dline in football and is just not worth the dollars.

when we signed Amari, there was no way we knew would get Lamb

TheMarathonContinues · Dec 10, 2020

Rockport said:
Your using Cowturd?

Of course he is...its the only guy he can quote lol. Who else says the dumb stuff Cowturd does except Pappy himself lol?

CanadianCowboysFan said:
when we signed Amari, there was no way we knew would get Lamb

Right and quite frankly, we invested a 1st rounder in Cooper. He was always coming back. If you want to argue we shouldn't have drafted Lamb that's one thing but the Cooper signing is not a issue. You couldn't let him walk for nothing.

ChuckA1 · Dec 10, 2020

big dog cowboy said:
Colin is on my ignore list.

Yes, but he's spot-on here.

buybuydandavis · Dec 10, 2020

PAPPYDOG said:

Dak - If we can get a franchise QB with the 1st pick, we should do it.
Zeke - I'd just move on. He doesn't produce *and* fumbles.
Tyron - Keep. Much of his cost is sunk cost. I thought he got past his back issues. Gotta evaluate post neck surgery, but if he's like last year for a few more seasons, that's a very good deal.
Martin - Keep. Duh.
Cooper - Can bail in 2022, and Lamb is a plug in #1.
DLaw - Lots of dead money here. I don't see him going anywhere. We're getting very good play for elite dollars. Not good, but not horrible.

Getting a franchise QB with a 1st is a massive win on the cap. Changes everything. Can drop our cap hit a ton if we move on from Cooper too.

McGovern and Biadasz give us cheap starters. Martin, Collins, and Tyron are all reasonable money going forward.

It's Dak and Cooper. Both become 30% of the cap. That's just too much. You can only get away with that if you have a bunch of guys on their rookie contracts holding up the team. We whiffed on too many on defense. Taco, Jaylon, LVE, Hill. They should be the pillars. But not.

It's not that bad on defense for the cap. DLaw is the *only* guy getting paid on the defense, and he's at least a very good player. I'm assuming we cut Jaylon and Crawford.

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