Proof that winning isn't the GM's top priority

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Ok, going to make a change at coaching after 10 years and he hires an O HC with a rep for QB's, deserved or not. Did someone develop Favre and Rodgers? I saw Holmgren with Favre... a lot.

The O is ranked #1 and #2 in passing from the previous season and the glaring problem is the defense.

So, he lets the HC hire his friend, with a very questionable and spotty resume and isn't even a DC in his last two jobs but they allow him to change the D scheme to whatever the hell he calls it on that given day, 3/4 hybrid or 4/3 hybrid and they really don't address the D enough in the draft of FA to make a difference after letting the two most effective players walk.

But then the strangest thing happens, the pandemic and no off season so even teams with no coaching changes or system changes will struggle somewhat but they go ahead and let Nolan change the D?

Didn't McC rehire Moore to give consistency and continuity to the O? And the O was by far the strength of the team. The D has more moving parts and a new system with little time to implement it properly.

Under these circumstances, how can they move forward with a systematic change to the D? But they do and in their first test, get gutted in the run game and we have the MLB, and leader of the D, openly asking the DC to dumb it down.

It is obvious to the most casual observer, this isn't working and isn't going to work because they do not have the time to improve it and they're averaging north of 35 and losing the next 2 of 3 games.

Wouldn't you, as the GM if the HC refuses to do so, step in and tell them to go back to what the players know? We'll install a new D next off season because this isn't working. The players are getting mentally beat before they can get physical. Didn't you see that in the last game they played? They were lost.

So when I see about how much this GM wants to win, more than any other I believe is the phrase, this is proof to the contrary. And any GM with his job on the line would have stepped in by now. Long before the 12th game of the season.
 

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We can't have it both ways though. We can't say we want Jerry to not meddle but be upset with him because Nolan got hired by McCarthy...........I believe the head coach needs to have the power of what staff he wants to hire. McCarty screwed up. Not Jerry.
 

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You should have said that winning isn't THIS GM's top priority.
 

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We can't have it both ways though. We can't say we want Jerry to not meddle but be upset with him because Nolan got hired by McCarthy...........I believe the head coach needs to have the power of what staff he wants to hire. McCarty screwed up. Not Jerry.
However, when the GM recognizes that, he's the one that has to step in. That's not meddling, that's discharging the duties of a GM,

My feelings on this are simple and I wanted McC when Rivera was gone. McC should be fired for hiring Nolan.
 

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Ok, going to make a change at coaching after 10 years and he hires an O HC with a rep for QB's, deserved or not. Did someone develop Favre and Rodgers? I saw Holmgren with Favre... a lot.

The O is ranked #1 and #2 in passing from the previous season and the glaring problem is the defense.

So, he lets the HC hire his friend, with a very questionable and spotty resume and isn't even a DC in his last two jobs but they allow him to change the D scheme to whatever the hell he calls it on that given day, 3/4 hybrid or 4/3 hybrid and they really don't address the D enough in the draft of FA to make a difference after letting the two most effective players walk.

But then the strangest thing happens, the pandemic and no off season so even teams with no coaching changes or system changes will struggle somewhat but they go ahead and let Nolan change the D?

Didn't McC rehire Moore to give consistency and continuity to the O? And the O was by far the strength of the team. The D has more moving parts and a new system with little time to implement it properly.

Under these circumstances, how can they move forward with a systematic change to the D? But they do and in their first test, get gutted in the run game and we have the MLB, and leader of the D, openly asking the DC to dumb it down.

It is obvious to the most casual observer, this isn't working and isn't going to work because they do not have the time to improve it and they're averaging north of 35 and losing the next 2 of 3 games.

Wouldn't you, as the GM if the HC refuses to do so, step in and tell them to go back to what the players know? We'll install a new D next off season because this isn't working. The players are getting mentally beat before they can get physical. Didn't you see that in the last game they played? They were lost.

So when I see about how much this GM wants to win, more than any other I believe is the phrase, this is proof to the contrary. And any GM with his job on the line would have stepped in by now. Long before the 12th game of the season.


Many years we have looked mediocre at best.

Decent teams have terrible years every now and then for sure.

But never have I seen a season as embarrassing as this one, and partially due to things like you're describing here. Decisions made beginning in the offseason all the way to now, and decisions perplexingly not made over the same time frame, and the financial decisions of recent years that all contributed to it... Jerry just looks more out of his league than ever before.
 

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Hes getting everyone on this board to watch or be interested and thats all he cares about at the end of the day. As long as his pride and joy is being talked about and hes making money, nothing else matters. Fans will be back next year, jerseys will sale and Dallas will be 8-8 again.
 

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However, when the GM recognizes that, he's the one that has to step in. That's not meddling, that's discharging the duties of a GM,

My feelings on this are simple and I wanted McC when Rivera was gone. McC should be fired for hiring Nolan.
You can't be high on McCarthy 12 months ago and then now what to fire him. What changed? He had no training camp and his players were hurt. Hey, I don't like the hire and I didn't really care much for him when we got him...I just assumed he'd at least be better than Garrett.

But my feelings on him are independent of what this team felt about him and if they liked him during the offseason then they should still like him.
 

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You should have said that winning isn't THIS GM's top priority.
Quietly making money off "the brand" I suppose is this GM's Top Priority.*

* The Bottom Line is good, whether we have a winning season, or not...
 

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Let McCarthy decide what defensive scheme he wishes to run. The one originally planned has been scaled back (that's what he tells us) and still these players don't get it. If McCarthy stays I hope he has a large say on the defensive personnel
 

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...well, the headlines just ripped Jerry and pulled the cowboys from the spotlight Vs SF. That's a terrible sign, things aren't going well. For what its worth, Jerry must know you cant run full speed with Nolan. I got my money he's gone.

I dont know if that will fix the problem? But at least you get another shot at fresh season.
 

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We can't have it both ways though. We can't say we want Jerry to not meddle but be upset with him because Nolan got hired by McCarthy...........I believe the head coach needs to have the power of what staff he wants to hire. McCarty screwed up. Not Jerry.
And who hired McCarthy??
 

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And who hired McCarthy??
Jerry hired him. No doubt. And he has to take accountability for that. But McCarthy was a good coach. It wasn't like he was a reach. Jerry hired I'm to do a job and he's not doing the job. Nobody on this site had a issue with them hiring McCarthy. Now in hindsight, its a bad coaching decision? Let's not revise history here.
 

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Mike Nolan will not be back next year. It was really dumb to stick with this guy, but the toothpaste is out of the tube now so to speak. Denver likely won't fire Fangio, he would be my dream pick as DC. Matt Patricia is intriguing as is Dan Quinn. Both were very successful DCs prior to becoming HC.

Not sure if there is anyone on staff who would be a good leader for the D. They should have made some moves to elevate Eberflus a few years back.
 

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Jerry hired him. No doubt. And he has to take accountability for that. But McCarthy was a good coach. It wasn't like he was a reach. Jerry hired I'm to do a job and he's not doing the job. Nobody on this site had a issue with them hiring McCarthy. Now in hindsight, its a bad coaching decision? Let's not revise history here.

Uh, there were absolutely people on this site that thought he was a bad hire. Not me, I thought he was a good hire...but I recall a few people saying this was terrible and that he was Garrett all over again.
 

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You can't be high on McCarthy 12 months ago and then now what to fire him. What changed? He had no training camp and his players were hurt. Hey, I don't like the hire and I didn't really care much for him when we got him...I just assumed he'd at least be better than Garrett.

But my feelings on him are independent of what this team felt about him and if they liked him during the offseason then they should still like him.
When it was announced that he would get to hire his own staff, I was glad about that until he hired Nolan. I felt even worse about it after looking him up and that's a bad resume but I didn't think McC would hang his redemption shot all on Nolan and leave it up to him.

Even after that, I decided to give him a chance. After all, this was McC's only shot, would he risk it with a poor coach? Yes, he would and I think his stock, that wasn't really that high after GB fired him and is successor had so much success and continues to do so, has fallen drastically with his decision making being questioned form the beginning, which is what really tossed me off his wagon. And he did it in every game to start the season.
 

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If you think a GM should step in and tell the head coach what schemes to run you're as clueless as the guy who has destroyed this franchise.
 

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Jerry hired him. No doubt. And he has to take accountability for that. But McCarthy was a good coach. It wasn't like he was a reach. Jerry hired I'm to do a job and he's not doing the job. Nobody on this site had a issue with them hiring McCarthy. Now in hindsight, its a bad coaching decision? Let's not revise history here.
There were plenty not on board with him, especially those that knew of his missing team meetings to get a massage. Don't think it was the happy ending kind because he got canned.

My short list was Rivera and him because I wanted a vet coach and didn't want Meyer or Riley.
 
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