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There's no question but what it's more enjoyable to see your team win, rather than to lose. Nevertheless, when it's been 25 years since your favorite team has won the Super Bowl, you're bound to see each loss as another step to ensure more losses is a likelihood. Being a winner and the fan of a winner is simply preferable to endlessly pulling for a losing team. The Cowboys fans who have rooted for this team since their glory days understandably want to return to that great satisfaction again ASAP.

I find myself wanting to see this team win each and every time they play, although, the draft rewards of losing and the benefits of doing so are some consolation if winning just isn't in the cards. It's about wanting the best for your team and the future that a loss can potentially do for them on draft day. Needless to say, it's an odd compulsion, to be sure. Go figure.

While it's true that losing can't guarantee success, at least there a fair chance that it might enhance a fan's team well being in the future. In other words, it offers hope for downtrodden fans who are sorely disappointed after far too many years of losing. Yet, fans like myself can't help pulling for their team to win, despite knowing what the benefits of a loss can do. If that team doesn't win, the consolation of a higher draft pick can be a blessing. ;)
I guess my mentality has always been to focus on the next game. The work put into that game is very satisfying after a win. I look at it differently than many. I'm not saying I'm right just my thoughts.
 

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Looking at other teams, like the Bears, I think we'll find that whatever Dallas does isn't going to change the draft position more than a couple of spots. Don't see the Jets, Jags and Bengals winning several more games, Cowboys already have more wins than the Jets can have, for example, and one more loss by the Jags and Cowboys will have more than them. Teams like the Panthers, Texans and Chargers are neck and neck with Dallas, they aren't all going to win all their remaining games, or lose all of them, most likely.

Think we can look for sticking at no. 5 if you want to plan who you're going to draft, the draft seldom falls out 100% like the "experts" say, but between teams losing or winning more than you would think they will, or draft trades or surprise picks it's a safe bet....
 

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when you punish your kid, its not because you don't like them. you are wanting them to get better....a higher draft pick, means a brighter future.
I've been lucky. I have one kid, she just turned 20 and is about to graduate from college with honors and a triple major. I don't remember ever having to punish her. I just bought a new car and an investment home. Just thought I'd throw that out since I'm so frikkinn proud of her.
 

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I see it from a fan perspective. Wanting to give up or lose is a defeatist attitude.



With me, personally, I pull for them to win when the game comes on.

Before and after the game itself, I want the benefit of a loss, anyway.
It's just a strange configuration of conflicting desires, I'll freely admit. :grin:
 

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A loss is much closer to being a guarantee than this win meaning anything

Don't know what the official predictions are, but I do think with the WFT win, Dallas is essentially out of playoff consideration. WFT gets to play the Panthers and Eagles, both of which might not be too enthused about playing hard, both in line for good draft position. One more win by W and Cowboys can't win the East, anyway...
 

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That's the theory. Too bad it didn't work out for the Chargers, Titans, Bears, Buccaneers, Raiders, Rams and Bengals.

LOTS of risk. Not saying don't take risks, just that the history of the NFL, just in the last 20 drafts, is chock a block full of failure...
true.... but not punishing will 100% lead to the wrong things...we still have to draft the right players....not Morris Claibourne or Zeke when opportunity is there, but chances of getting the right players is higher, the higher you are in the draft...
 

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I've been lucky. I have one kid, she just turned 20 and is about to graduate from college with honors and a triple major. I don't remember ever having to punish her. I just bought a new car and an investment home. Just thought I'd throw that out since I'm so frikkinn proud of her.
don't take the word punish as in a mean spirited approach....grounding a kid for a week for some mischief is punishment. losing phone privilages for a weekend or somethings to that effect.

I have 4 kids. I am super proud of all of them. none of them are in college yet....I have great relationship with all of them. my three boys are dallas fans and we get to watch the cowboys together every weekend.

glad you had the super perfect kid and you are the super perfect dad though....we all envy you.....
 

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I just don't get it. Why would anyone root for a loss???? Yeah, yeah, higher draft pick, but that's not a guarantee. How can anyone watch their team and hope that they lose????
Because it's for the best
 

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true.... but not punishing will 100% lead to the wrong things...we still have to draft the right players....not Morris Claibourne or Zeke when opportunity is there, but chances of getting the right players is higher, the higher you are in the draft...

Zeke was drafted 4th overall, is that not a high pick? So you're saying Cowboys had a great chance of getting the "right" player, but they screwed it up, so what's the point of getting like the 3rd pick in this draft? Won't the Cowboys just screw it up again?
 

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Zeke was drafted 4th overall, is that not a high pick? So you're saying Cowboys had a great chance of getting the "right" player, but they screwed it up, so what's the point of getting like the 3rd pick in this draft? Won't the Cowboys just screw it up again?
like I said in the response...having a high pick helps the odds, but it also takes the right people making the decision and making the right pick... read my response again...

but I take our chances of 4th pick...than the 12th pick.....and again, right people making the right decision....not the key stone cops Cowboys FO
 

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like I said in the response...having a high pick helps the odds, but it also takes the right people making the decision and making the right pick... read my response again...

but I take our chances of 4th pick...than the 12th pick.....and again, right people making the right decision....not the key stone cops Cowboys FO
I'm not smart enough to know if thats sarcasm or not. I am by know means a perfect parent, my wife probably is. I'm just proud of her. I've done a lot of great things in my life, but nothing greater than her. Good luck with yours, no better thing than a proud dad.
 

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I think the big difference between Ranching's ideas and ours is that he looks at it from the perspective of a coach and we see at it as fans. o_O
I agree, but when you are watching the game in your recliner you are a fan, when you are coaching from the sideline you are a coach.

If we win 1 more meaningless game there is the real possibility of jumping over 5 teams and getting the #10 pick instead of the #4 pick.

This team MUST have a top 5 pick to have a better opportunity to rebuild this terrible defense.
 

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I agree, but when you are watching the game in your recliner you are a fan, when you are coaching from the sideline you are a coach.

If we win 1 more meaningless game there is the real possibility of jumping over 5 teams and getting the #10 pick instead of the #4 pick.

This team MUST have a top 5 pick to have a better opportunity to rebuild this terrible defense.
 

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I just don't get it. Why would anyone root for a loss???? Yeah, yeah, higher draft pick, but that's not a guarantee. How can anyone watch their team and hope that they lose????

Yes, a higher draft pick doesn't equal success, however, a higher draft pick, still represents a higher chance at success. Winning at this point in the year, gives us nothing. In years past if we were mathematically eliminated from the playoffs, I could still see the value in winning, especially against a team sitting it's starters (2017 vs Philly) or a really bad team (2019 vs WSH). But this year? Momentum gained from a few garbage wins won't carry over into 2020. Won't really effect the culture either, unless we're talking about actual giving up. I just wanted the Bengals to play the game of their lives.
 
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