Stockpiling picks in this year's draft

Cowboyny · Dec 14, 2020

baltcowboy said:
I agree with you this time but I am hearing the internet draftnicks are pushing for trading with the Patriots and Bears. I am with you on Parsons or the Corners at 8 with extra picks. We still get a blue chip prospect. I think 3 quarterbacks, 2 offensive tackles and 1 wide receiver is going in the top 8. That leaves 1 of Parsons and the two corners possibly available at 8.

I would be against moving too far back and trading away from an impact player. Team like Carolina would be better then trading with the Bears or the Patriots in the teens.

Future · Dec 15, 2020

DasSchnitzel said:
What if we compromised and used the 3rd round pick on a pass catcher.

You get the extra body on offense and I get an affordable contract for 4 years locked up.

Sure, which is why I originally said "I don't care if we trade a WR with a plan to replace him."

You're probably not getting Gallup in the third round though.

Daygoboy6191 · Dec 15, 2020

Cowboyny said:
I would be against moving too far back and trading away from an impact player. Team like Carolina would be better then trading with the Bears or the Patriots in the teens.

I have no problem trading back a couple times as long as we stay in the top 19 picks. Stack picks to replace bad contracts down the road and of course add players to start and depth.

Cowboyny · Dec 15, 2020

Daygoboy6191 said:
I have no problem trading back a couple times as long as we stay in the top 19 picks. Stack picks to replace bad contracts down the road and of course add players to start and depth.

Fully understand finding quality players, at cheap, controllable rates, but it's unrealistic to expect the team rostering 10+ rookies with an already deep roster.

Daygoboy6191 · Dec 15, 2020

Cowboyny said:
Fully understand finding quality players, at cheap, controllable rates, but it's unrealistic to expect the team rostering 10+ rookies with an already deep roster.

deep where?
Could use another rb to groom
Oline needs work
Dline needs work
Lb’s need work
Secondary might be non existent.
There’s lots of room for adding players

Cowboyny · Dec 15, 2020

Daygoboy6191 said:
deep where?
Could use another rb to groom
Oline needs work
Dline needs work
Lb’s need work
Secondary might be non existent.
There’s lots of room for adding players

I believe we have 40 players under contract already for next season and that doesn't even include Dak or resigning in-house fa's or veteran free agency.

Daygoboy6191 · Dec 15, 2020

Cowboyny said:
I believe we have 40 players under contract already for next season and that doesn't even include Dak or resigning in-house fa's or veteran free agency.

and 10-15 of those dude will more than likely be expendable especially if you can find better talent.

Future · Dec 15, 2020

Daygoboy6191 said:
deep where?
Could use another rb to groom
Oline needs work
Dline needs work
Lb’s need work
Secondary might be non existent.
There’s lots of room for adding players

The entire offense is deep. Every team in the league could improve on something like 3/4 of their starters, but Dallas' O doesn't need to add anything, just get healthy.

rwalters31 · Dec 15, 2020

SeanLee50 said:
This guy gets it.

I love the posters expecting an entire overhaul of the roster. You’re probably looking at 6-8 new players and a handful of new starters at S, CB, LB

And two DT to plug that gapping hole in the middle of the defense, however, I have been asked for defensive Tackle for ten 10 years!!

DasSchnitzel · Dec 15, 2020

Future said:
The entire offense is deep. Every team in the league could improve on something like 3/4 of their starters, but Dallas' O doesn't need to add anything, just get healthy.

Offensive tackle worries me.

I agree that Dallas needs to get healthy on the OL but unfortunately I don't believe Tyron can play 4 games without getting sidelined next year and frankly I wonder if he'll just retire.

Center could be worked out with Biadasz here, the Connors plus Martin have us set at guard. Then we saw this year that there's a steep drop off after Smith and Collins. I don't want to be feeling real good about this team in late August and then by mid-September be watching Steele or whoever play LT because Smith has a back injury. You could move Martin over but do you want to be forced mid-season into doing so?

Left tackle is too important for all this instability, I'd like to see a quality swing tackle prospect brought in for once instead of all these interior linemen we keep picking.

Hawkeye0202 · Dec 16, 2020

Serious question for OP......name the last STARTING player Jerry and Stephen traded. It's not their MO, just not. They'd rather keep their starters or former starter for two reasons, to produce as a starter or part-time player ( see Crawford ). Even if they know they're not offering a player with trade value the 2nd contract, they still would rather have his contract expire as a Cowboy and walk. No other way to put they are not progressive thinkers in that sense.

So I agree, I don't see us offering Gallup #1 WR money ( nor should we ) but they're not trading him. He will play 2021 and we'll likely make a solid offer to keep him but if some other team wanna pay him top or tag money, he'll walk.

But trading a valuable player picks before the draft coz we have no intention of giving him a 2nd contract that's not Jerry and Stephen........just not.

Future · Dec 16, 2020

DasSchnitzel said:
Offensive tackle worries me.

I agree that Dallas needs to get healthy on the OL but unfortunately I don't believe Tyron can play 4 games without getting sidelined next year and frankly I wonder if he'll just retire.

Center could be worked out with Biadasz here, the Connors plus Martin have us set at guard. Then we saw this year that there's a steep drop off after Smith and Collins. I don't want to be feeling real good about this team in late August and then by mid-September be watching Steele or whoever play LT because Smith has a back injury. You could move Martin over but do you want to be forced mid-season into doing so?

Left tackle is too important for all this instability, I'd like to see a quality swing tackle prospect brought in for once instead of all these interior linemen we keep picking.

Erving is about as good of a swing tackle as there is in the league. Knight was good before he got hurt - but has been poor since.

I just don't understand the expectations people have for "depth." You're not going to lose players and not have a dropoff. "Next man up" is entirely a myth.

DasSchnitzel · Dec 16, 2020

Future said:
Erving is about as good of a swing tackle as there is in the league. Knight was good before he got hurt - but has been poor since.

I just don't understand the expectations people have for "depth." You're not going to lose players and not have a dropoff. "Next man up" is entirely a myth.

We got obliterated this year at offensive tackle.

We already know that Erving or Steele are probably starting left tackle by week 5 of next year, aka a bust or an UDFA. If you feel we're just fine with that, but insist we can't lose Gallup or the offense will fall apart, then it seems like you're playing fantasy football over there.

At tackle, we've got two stud starters with Smith and Collins. But neither has been available this year, and Smith is like this every year at this point, and may even retire. Behind him we have Erving and Steele.

Think about how nice we look at guard with Martin, Williams, McGovern, and Erving all available. Then we've got Biadasz, Looney, and Erving available at center. Our interior has great depth and good starters and a hall of famer.

The biggest difference between the interior OL and the tackle situations is that we've spent picks on the interior OL. Guards in 2018 2nd, 2019 3rd. Center in 2020 4th. In 2019 and 2020 I don't think we drafted a tackle at all. Steele, Knight, Hyatt are all UDFAs.

An OT by early 4th round is a good idea!

Future · Dec 16, 2020

DasSchnitzel said:
We already know that Erving or Steele are probably starting left tackle by week 5 of next year.!

I don't mind drafting an OT, but this is dumb. This is the only season Smith has ever missed more than three games.

The idea that he can't make it out of October ever again is ridiculous.

DasSchnitzel · Dec 16, 2020

Future said:
I don't mind drafting an OT, but this is dumb. This is the only season Smith has ever missed more than three games.

The idea that he can't make it out of October ever again is ridiculous.

He's always playing hurt, and it's neck and back things that can end careers early.

Remember when Romo started 15 or 16 games for 4 straight years? Then in 2015 he missed a bunch of games, came back, got hurt again, season ended, got healthy, got hurt again in 2016 preseason, got healthy, and by then the organization decided to move on to Dak.

I think we're looking at something similar here but in any event we seem to agree about drafting an OT. I just think it's more urgent because I have less trust in Tyron. No one knows for sure but I don't want an unknown future at the 2nd most important position on the field.

Future · Dec 16, 2020

DasSchnitzel said:
He's always playing hurt, and it's neck and back things that can end careers early.

Remember when Romo started 15 or 16 games for 4 straight years? Then in 2015 he missed a bunch of games, came back, got hurt again, season ended, got healthy, got hurt again in 2016 preseason, got healthy, and by then the organization decided to move on to Dak.

I think we're looking at something similar here but in any event we seem to agree about drafting an OT. I just think it's more urgent because I have less trust in Tyron. No one knows for sure but I don't want an unknown future at the 2nd most important position on the field.

Ok fine.

But this is a bit off the point anyways. They have 2 excellent tackles with a good swing - and Knight/Steele who can be decent enough in a pinch - that's as good as OL depth in the NFL gets.

LT isn't that important anymore, especially if you have a competent coaching staff.

DasSchnitzel · Dec 16, 2020

Future said:
Ok fine.

But this is a bit off the point anyways. They have 2 excellent tackles with a good swing - and Knight/Steele who can be decent enough in a pinch - that's as good as OL depth in the NFL gets.

LT isn't that important anymore, especially if you have a competent coaching staff.

We're literally living through a season from hell on the OL, specifically OT, and you're telling me we're just fine at the position. We're not fine.

We have two studs, but you can't count on one and the other is coming back from a year on IR. The one coming back from a year on IR is the one I trust more. Then after that we've got Erving, whose biggest asset is 5 position flex on the game day roster, and 2 UDFAs making up the 3rd string who should realistically never see professional game day snaps for any team.

But you're telling me LT doesn't even matter that much anymore so we're too far apart on this one. Let's agree to disagree.

Future · Dec 16, 2020

DasSchnitzel said:
We're literally living through a season from hell on the OL, specifically OT, and you're telling me we're just fine at the position. We're not fine.

You're not going to have the same issues two years in a row, is the point.

It doesn't matter how you prepare, there is no scenario in which a team can absorb season-ending injuries to it's top 3 tackles. So yes, the position depth is fine, barring cataclysmic injuries. It's a waste of time and effort to build starter-quality depth at your fourth and fifth tackle spots because it's a failing exercise.

DasSchnitzel · Dec 16, 2020

Future said:
You're not going to have the same issues two years in a row, is the point.

It doesn't matter how you prepare, there is no scenario in which a team can absorb season-ending injuries to it's top 3 tackles. So yes, the position depth is fine, barring cataclysmic injuries. It's a waste of time and effort to build starter-quality depth at your fourth and fifth tackle spots because it's a failing exercise.

My 3rd option is Cam Erving - a bust, currently on season ending IR, who isn't signed past this year.

Our 3rd tackle spot is not in good shape like you claim, and I 100% believe the 3rd tackle is gonna start some games next year.

If an OT is BPA at any point, I won't complain if he's chosen. It won't be the sexy pick but it'll be a good upgrade for the roster.

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