Who here wants McCarthy back?

gimmesix · Dec 15, 2020

Oz-of-Cowboy-Country said:
Who here wants McCarthy back?

I don't. What would he have accomplished without Aaron Rodgers?

What would Bill Belichick have accomplished without Tom Brady?

What would Tom Landry have accomplished without Roger Staubach?

What did Andy Reid accomplish before he got Patrick Mahomes?

MMObserver · Dec 15, 2020

gimmesix said:
What would Bill Belichick have accomplished without Tom Brady?

What would Tom Landry have accomplished without Roger Staubach?

What did Andy Reid accomplish before he got Patrick Mahomes?

Dunno what BB or Landry would have accomplished without Brady or Staubach, respectively.

But we DO KNOW that with Staubach Landry won 2 SBs and lost 2 other SBs. He also got to a SB with Morton as his starter.

We also DO KNOW that with Brady as his QB, BB won 6 SBs and lost 3 others.

And we KNOW that with Favre and then Rodgers as his QB for 13 seasons Big Mac got to (and won) a single SB ... 11 seasons ago.

Finally, we know that Big Mac was 7-13-1 over his final 21 games in GB in 2017 & 2018 and that GB has gone 23-6 (24-7 counting the playoffs) in 2019 and 2020 since he was fired.

cowboygo · Dec 15, 2020

J12B said:
I don't.

This team looks awful under him.

Even early in the season when healthier they looked awful and undisciplined.

That's all on the head coach.

He's accomplished nothing since getting here and done nothing to suggest he can turn this team around.

But of course Jones will give him another year.

I'll go on the record and state I want him back given circumstances of injuries and no off-season.

charron · Dec 15, 2020

What gives anyone any confidence in the cowboys hiring process? We can say xyz is a better coach, fit, what have you but that is not how they run things. With how willy nilly they do things it may be better to keep mike atleast 1 more year before considering change.

gimmesix · Dec 15, 2020

MMObserver said:
Dunno what BB or Landry would have accomplished without Brady or Staubach, respectively.

But we DO KNOW that with Staubach Landry won 2 SBs and lost 2 other SBs. He also got to a SB with Morton as his starter.

We also DO KNOW that with Brady as his QB, BB won 6 SBs and lost 3 others.

And we KNOW that with Favre and then Rodgers as his QB for 13 seasons Big Mac got to (and won) a single SB ... 11 seasons ago.

Finally, we know that Big Mac was 7-13-1 over his final 21 games in GB in 2017 & 2018 and that GB has gone 23-6 (24-7 counting the playoffs) in 2019 and 2020 since he was fired.

Definitely their levels of success have differed with their great quarterbacks. The point is that with just a few exceptions, any coach you are going to name who had Super Bowl success also had a great quarterback. So if we're going to say McCarthy couldn't do it without Rodgers, then he's among some pretty good company there.

In his 13 years in Green Bay, McCarthy's teams won the NFC North six times and made the playoffs nine times, including reaching the NFC Championship Game four times. So his success isn't shabby.

We also know that during his last two seasons in Green Bay, Aaron Rodgers had some pretty bad injuries, playing in only seven games in 2017. Even in 2019, Rodgers wasn't quite the same as he had been (actually having a worse year in some aspects than he did in McCarthy's final two years), but Green Bay has done a much better job the last two years of putting a good defense together.

In fact, if there's one area that concerns me with McCarthy is that I think he's another coach who doesn't value defense as much as he should IMO.

cej757 · Dec 15, 2020

I don't.

MMObserver · Dec 15, 2020

gimmesix said:
In his 13 years in Green Bay, McCarthy's teams ... made the playoffs nine times,

... if there's one area that concerns me with McCarthy is that I think he's another coach who doesn't value defense as much as he should IMO.

In his 7 playoff losses with Aaron Rodgers at QB, Big Mac's Green Bay defenses gave up:

44 points (Atlanta 2016)
26 points (Arizona 2015)
28 points (Seattle 2014)
23 points (SF 2013)
45 points (SF 2012)
37 points (Giants 2011) and
51 points (Arizona 2009)

That is an AVERAGE of 36.3 points per game that Big Mac's defenses allowed in those 7 playoff defeats. (By contrast, NE's D gave up >30 points just 3 times in Tom Brady' first 34 playoff starts).

The evidence above clearly establishes that, whether he values defense or not, the play of Big Mac's defenses contributed considerably to his GB teams getting to just 1 Super Bowl while Bill Belichik and Tom Landry (the two coaches alluded to in prior posts and both of whom value/valued defensive play greatly) got to 9 and 5 Super Bowls, respectively with their star QBs.

Mannix · Dec 15, 2020

No....unless it's to run out and get the tee after kickoffs. "Go get it Corky!"

Swanny · Dec 15, 2020

J12B said:
I don't.

This team looks awful under him.

Even early in the season when healthier they looked awful and undisciplined.

That's all on the head coach.

He's accomplished nothing since getting here and done nothing to suggest he can turn this team around.

But of course Jones will give him another year.

How could this team possibly look good? The team has so many injury it's insane

ryanbabs · Dec 15, 2020

J12B said:
It seems like Nolan has more responsibility than the head coach.

Doesn't seem right to me.

Right. The head coach should’ve already gotten rid of him. Says a lot about McCarthy and how he has tolerated this mess...

Williamsboys · Dec 15, 2020

You would think after Green Bay got rid of his fat asss that should have told us something.

Pantone282C · Dec 15, 2020

J12B said:
I don't.

This team looks awful under him.

Even early in the season when healthier they looked awful and undisciplined.

That's all on the head coach.

He's accomplished nothing since getting here and done nothing to suggest he can turn this team around.

But of course Jones will give him another year.

He will be back - I give him another year, but the DC has to go and KM needs to get back to some reasonable play calling.

blumayne38 · Dec 15, 2020

We need young and innovative the fraud that is M&Ms should go fast

ghst187 · Dec 15, 2020

CyberB0b · Dec 15, 2020

Hard to see what he's brought to the team, other than diabetes.

mattjames2010 · Dec 15, 2020

Oz-of-Cowboy-Country said:
Who here wants McCarthy back?

I don't. What would he have accomplished without Aaron Rodgers?

He revitalized Favre's career and got to a championship.

gimmesix · Dec 15, 2020

MMObserver said:
In his 7 playoff losses with Aaron Rodgers at QB, Big Mac's Green Bay defenses gave up:

44 points (Atlanta 2016)
26 points (Arizona 2015)
28 points (Seattle 2014)
23 points (SF 2013)
45 points (SF 2012)
37 points (Giants 2011) and
51 points (Arizona 2009)

That is an AVERAGE of 36.3 points per game that Big Mac's defenses allowed in those 7 playoff defeats. (By contrast, NE's D gave up >30 points just 3 times in Tom Brady' first 34 playoff starts).

The evidence above clearly establishes that, whether he values defense or not, the play of Big Mac's defenses contributed considerably to his GB teams getting to just 1 Super Bowl while Bill Belichik and Tom Landry (the two coaches alluded to in prior posts and both of whom value/valued defensive play greatly) got to 9 and 5 Super Bowls, respectively with their star QBs.

If I remember correctly, his defense in that Super Bowl year was pretty good, so he's not allergic to having a good defense. But I agree that is a difference between him and those coaches. It's the same with our 1990s teams under Jimmy Johnson, we had a Hall of Fame quarterback, a Hall of Fame running back and a Hall of Fame receiver, but we also had one of the top defenses in the league.

McCarthy's record as a coach doesn't look good in that regard, but he also had a GM who did all the shopping, so I don't know how much of the responsibility falls on him. I think he bears a greater responsibility here because the Joneses have shown that if they have a head coach they respect, they will give him what he wants ... at least to some extent.

I'm not sold on him, but neither will I hold this season completely against him.

Bullflop · Dec 15, 2020

I'll give MM another year as long as Nolan isn't a part of it. I'll have to add that he should rightly be on a short leash, though. This year hasn't been kind to us in terms of injuries. Let's see what he can do once things have calmed down on the health front. I hope those with vulnerabilities that sports figures have to face are fairly prioritized for immunizations.

fairviewfarmer · Dec 15, 2020

J12B said:
I don't.

This team looks awful under him.

Even early in the season when healthier they looked awful and undisciplined.

That's all on the head coach.

He's accomplished nothing since getting here and done nothing to suggest he can turn this team around.

But of course Jones will give him another year.

Nope, didn't like the hire at the time. Absolutely can not stand him now.

mmohican29 · Dec 15, 2020

I'll give him 1 more year to get this moving. This year was earmarked for struggle, then turned disaster when Dak went down.

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