I’d rather the Cowboys lost

Captain43Crash said:

Miami was 3-13 last year. This year they are fighting for a playoff spot. They had all kinds of draft capital, just like we will, this draft, if we pick at #4 or #5.

Going 3-13 last year is not effecting Miami this year!

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Ya and then there's teams like the browns and jets who have stayed at the bottom of their divisions for a decade or two after year after year having top 3 picks. Having top 3 or 5 pick IS NOT any guarantee of getting better. If, that huge word IF, the defense had been a defense designed to match the players and not the players match the defense and Prescott hadn't got injured and the entire O-line hadn't been lost to injuries, the Cowboys picked 17th on this last draft and got one of if not the best WR's in college. This totally naive idea that a team has to pick in the top 3 or 5 picks to get better is total BS just like wanting a team you claim to be a fan of to lose just to move up in draft.
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Captain43Crash said:

No more winning? You do not understand why picking #4 in the draft is way more advantageous than picking #10-14? You don’t understand how it could help the future of your team?

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Lets see in the last draft the Cowboys got Lamb who was at the time rated as the best WR and the Cowboys picked SEVENTEENTH! This moronic idea that unless a team picks in the top 3 or 5 picks that they can't improve is just that moronic. That's saying all players outside of the top 3 or 5 picks are scrubs. I guess the patriots got a really crappy player when they drafted Brady in the SIXTH round or what were the Cowboys thinking of when they signed Romo after not in the top 3 or 5 picks or even drafted in any round. What about Jason Witten the Cowboys didn't take him until the THIRD round. How could he have so good when not taken with the top 3 or 5 picks? The list of players that are in the HOF or are still playing that help make their teams good that were drafted after the first 3 or 5 picks is so long there's not a roll of paper long enough to list them all.
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gjkoeppen said:

Ya and then there's teams like the browns and jets who have stayed at the bottom of their divisions for a decade or two after year after year having top 3 picks. Having top 3 or 5 pick IS NOT any guarantee of getting better. If, that huge word IF, the defense had been a defense designed to match the players and not the players match the defense and Prescott hadn't got injured and the entire O-line hadn't been lost to injuries, the Cowboys picked 17th on this last draft and got one of if not the best WR's in college. This totally naive idea that a team has to pick in the top 3 or 5 picks to get better is total BS just like wanting a team you claim to be a fan of to lose just to move up in draft.
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i get it and you are right, no guarantees at all plus you dont have to pick in the first 5 picks to get better - new england has demonstrated that year after year.

But, i will say Dallas is in a unique position where, at least from an offense persepctive, they are in a very good spot next year:
- Probowl QB
- Probolw RB (though not as good this year)
- Arguably deepest WR group
- Emerging TE's
- top 10 line (blidaz is going to be a stud at center, collins and smith back, martin healthy) - at worst a top ten line and you add a piece or two in the offseason

Defense is a disaster and the picks need to really focus there
-Need a counter part to Dlaw
-Need a safety - a real safety
-Need a LB or two
-Need a DT

IF this team uses its draft picks (and they are high) on the defensive side of the ball, plus adding in a couple of FA's, there is zero reason to belive that this team cant compete for the NFCE and a playoff spot (or more).


but back to the original point, the more draft capital the team has, the better the likihood they can draft the players needed to fill the holes - there is a correlation between pick position and higher success probability, but i think we have to consider that Jerry might be able to trade back and pick up a couple more top 100 picks...i think most of us would feel very good with 4-5 defensive picks in the first 3 rounds which is totally dooable.

gjkoeppen said:

Ya and then there's teams like the browns and jets who have stayed at the bottom of their divisions for a decade

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they have had incompetent\uninterested ownership and front offices for most of that time. when i say incompetent, i mean on a level that makes our incompetence look downright brilliant.

Jfconrow said:

They could have had pick 3 but they keep winning.

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Meaningless games!

McKDaddy said:

they have had incompetent\uninterested ownership and front offices for most of that time. when i say incompetent, i mean on a level that makes our incompetence look downright brilliant.

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Ya what I said did go with your thinking to you TRIED to cover it by saying those teams have bad ownership but Jones isn't as bad but you've complained about Jones the past saying he was the worst owner.
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cowboybish said:

That’s right I want the best draft pick we can get. Sorry if you don’t agree. A fan since 1963.

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....are never guarantees. While getting a top-5 draft pick is the goal of any rebuilding franchise. It doesn’t necessarily mean you’re getting an all-star talent with that selection.

cowboybish said:

That’s right I want the best draft pick we can get. Sorry if you don’t agree. A fan since 1963.

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I understand, but I always think it's just as important to beat the teams you are supposed to beat.
Draft picks are meaningless unless you can do that.

CowboyRoy said:

These games mean nothing at this point other than draft positioning.

Some are rooting for higher draft position and others are rooting to draft later on.

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I like picking early. it also gives the guys in the war room opportunities to trade back and get additional picks in the later rounds.

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Ya what I said did go with your thinking to you TRIED to cover it by saying those teams have bad ownership but Jones isn't as bad but you've complained about Jones the past saying he was the worst owner.
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You are reaching. I haven't tried to cover anything. Just giving realistic perspective of why you can't compare those franchises to us. Can you show me a single comment where i have said Jerry was the worst owner? I am critical of the culture he fostered by coddling the players but I don't think i have ever (on this forum or elsewhere) said he was the worst owner cause i know its not true.

cowboybish said:

That’s right I want the best draft pick we can get. Sorry if you don’t agree. A fan since 1963.

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100% dont agree I dont care that you dont care/..

gjkoeppen said:

No I root for my team to win their games and ACCEPT where they end up in the draft. Teams that go out and lose have a bad season that often times turns into 2 and then 3 and before you know it that losing has gone on for a decade. Why because the players start to think losing is the way of the team and all of the good players when their contracts are up will move on to other teams as fast as they can who don't have a culture that started by losing for a draft pick that ended up lasting longer than that year. Pretty soon there is a carousel of coaches and they turn into the 2003-2017 browns.
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we dont agree on a lot but that spot on, exactly how i see things,

fivetwos said:

All good.

Just need to count on Tyron Smith playing another five years.

Even though he is financially set and risking his health. Next big injury he is gone forever and we will be chasing left tackle thereafter......and Brandon Knight can protect our 175M QB.

At least we won today. That was awesome.

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not necessarily i see LC being our LT and doing well as A lefty quick transition and finding a RT much easier most likely already on the roster..im thinking hes here 1-2 more seasons then retires..TS himself is likely growing tired of rehabbing and waiting on a SB, betting thats already in his mind 1-2 seasons and out..dude cant be hurting for money

blueblood70 said:

not necessarily i see LC being our LT and doing well as A lefty quick transition and finding a RT much easier most likely already on the roster..im thinking hes here 1-2 more seasons then retires..TS himself is likely growing tired of rehabbing and waiting on a SB, betting thats already in his mind 1-2 seasons and out..dude cant be hurting for money

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Yep.

I just dont want to be chasing a left tackle, and Smith has all the cash he needs. He may start listening to Fred before long and call it a day.

It's a concern because your two BFFs are never ahead of anything. They chase holes as they pop up...then that's the excuse why everything will be better in the upcoming season. Then something else breaks....rinse and repeat.

Thanks for the like! Didnt think you did that lol.

gjkoeppen said:

Ya and then there's teams like the browns and jets who have stayed at the bottom of their divisions for a decade or two after year after year having top 3 picks. Having top 3 or 5 pick IS NOT any guarantee of getting better. If, that huge word IF, the defense had been a defense designed to match the players and not the players match the defense and Prescott hadn't got injured and the entire O-line hadn't been lost to injuries, the Cowboys picked 17th on this last draft and got one of if not the best WR's in college. This totally naive idea that a team has to pick in the top 3 or 5 picks to get better is total BS just like wanting a team you claim to be a fan of to lose just to move up in draft.
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Now turn it around. It's also not a guarantee that we won't get better.

gjkoeppen said:

Lets see in the last draft the Cowboys got Lamb who was at the time rated as the best WR and the Cowboys picked SEVENTEENTH! This moronic idea that unless a team picks in the top 3 or 5 picks that they can't improve is just that moronic. That's saying all players outside of the top 3 or 5 picks are scrubs. I guess the patriots got a really crappy player when they drafted Brady in the SIXTH round or what were the Cowboys thinking of when they signed Romo after not in the top 3 or 5 picks or even drafted in any round. What about Jason Witten the Cowboys didn't take him until the THIRD round. How could he have so good when not taken with the top 3 or 5 picks? The list of players that are in the HOF or are still playing that help make their teams good that were drafted after the first 3 or 5 picks is so long there's not a roll of paper long enough to list them all.
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No one is saying that.

Now, turn this around. Would you rather have Chase Young or Chaisson? You're basing your entire way of thinking on only one example.

Just because good players can be found throughout the draft, that does not negate the fact that the more toward the front you pick, the better the chances of getting better players.

So many teams at 4/5 wins right now and a win could drop you all the way to 10 or lower.

With a division crown and any sort of playoff run an improbability, I don't think there's a lot of moral victories in putting together wins against teams of questionable caliber. Kind of one of those things where the other team scores and you kind of shrug and say 'Eh, ok.'

kskboys said:

Now turn it around. It's also not a guarantee that we won't get better.

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Yes they may get better but I've said it before there is a list of players a mile long of really good players taken after the top 5 picks, many of which are either already in the HOF or will be when they are eligible.
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kskboys said:

No one is saying that.

Now, turn this around. Would you rather have Chase Young or Chaisson? You're basing your entire way of thinking on only one example.

Just because good players can be found throughout the draft, that does not negate the fact that the more toward the front you pick, the better the chances of getting better players.

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OK and then we can forget about a list a mile long of players taken as high as the very 1st pick in the draft that turned out to be busts. All the players that the draft gurus and sporting world have said those players would be big stars in the NFL but ended up as busts. To many people think there's some unwritten guarantee that high draft picks can't be or won't be busts but there is no such guarantee. I'm interested in what teams draft what players but I don't get all excited about any of them until I see how they preform in the NFL. The reason I hold off is the hugely vast majority of players these draft picks play against in college are players who never even make it into an NFL training camp. So is it easier to look good against lesser talent or better talent like in the NFL?
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fivetwos said:

Yep.

I just dont want to be chasing a left tackle, and Smith has all the cash he needs. He may start listening to Fred before long and call it a day.

It's a concern because your two BFFs are never ahead of anything. They chase holes as they pop up...then that's the excuse why everything will be better in the upcoming season. Then something else breaks....rinse and repeat.

Thanks for the like! Didnt think you did that lol.

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tht is the plan IMHO i dont ready their minds but LC is natural lefty and is peaking right now so he would be plan A LT..

i dont think that holds true the FO tried to plan and sometimes the plan backfires when the payers BUst or get suspended yearly like Gregory, the LB postion appeared taken care of but now JS and lVE slumping bit , we picked Jones, woods and awuize and at one time with Lewis and brown that position looked at least solid, they tried Carr etc..now that fell a part..if Gregory didnt keep getting suspended i dont think Taco would have happened, Hill may still work out and Gallimore proves depth

outside of grabbing a top notch safety and probably a DT the FO has done pretty good job up until this season of drafting and some filling FAs etc that kept the team competing for a division title most years..

mistakes happen on all teams with rosters and they end up with holes and reach for players..