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Jipper said:
I think for many it’s about having draft capital to be able to trade back and grab more picks in the top 100 to restock the defense

not as much about getting a player that will be a top 5 prospect
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I would love to have the 5th pick and trade that out for maybe the 15th and 25th in the first.

We have so many holes to fill and with Dak taking 20% of the cap next year it needs to be cheap.
 
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MikeB80 said:
but that is not the question. You want them to lose on purpose to get a higher pick which guarantees nothing. Losing however builds more losing.

middle round and late round 1 picks outplay top 10 picks all the time.
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What I want is the best chance at a championship. The reason you want them to lose is that probably half the starters on offense and defense in these week 16 and 17 games won’t be starting next year.

Offense - Dak, Jarwin, Tyron, Biadasz, Martin and Collins should be back. We’ll leave Zeke alone.

Defense - Gallimore, Chido, X Woods, Aldon, A Woods will all either be gone or likely be backups next year.

If this was a young team that you were wanting to see progress that would be one thing, but you haven’t seen players get better the last two weeks aside from maybe Donovan Wilson today and Pollard. It’s been teams handing you games.

What is there to build off from the last two weeks? Proving you can score when teams hand you the ball multiple times at their own 20?
 
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Parcells4Life said:
What I want is the best chance at a championship. The reason you want them to lose is that probably half the starters on offense and defense in these week 16 and 17 games won’t be starting next year.

Offense - Dak, Jarwin, Tyron, Biadasz, Martin and Collins should be back. We’ll leave Zeke alone.

Defense - Gallimore, Chido, X Woods, Aldon, A Woods will all either be gone or likely be backups next year.

If this was a young team that you were wanting to see progress that would be one thing, but you haven’t seen players get better the last two weeks aside from maybe Donovan Wilson today and Pollard. It’s been teams handing you games.

What is there to build off from the last two weeks? Proving you can score when teams hand you the ball multiple times at their own 20?
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the roster turns over at almost the same rate if you win or lose. That does not equate into this either. The team has a lot of picks for next year already.
You are accepting losing (a real thing) to guarantee you (not a real thing) a better player in the draft.

if the question is should we lose in week 17 to guarantee the first pick in the draft or maybe the second then I would say yes....if you cant get the 1 or the 2 then play to win. Washington tanked week 17 against us last year to get young. i understand that in week 17 when you are firing the whole staff. When the staff (sans the DC) is all coming back and you are not getting the first or second pick none of this makes sense except in a fantasy land.
 
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I've come to grips this team is going to be picking in the 10-19 range. Those top 5 pick posts were just premature. Too many dogs on the schedule and too many teams with bad records.
 
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MikeB80 said:
but that is not the question. You want them to lose on purpose to get a higher pick which guarantees nothing. Losing however builds more losing.

middle round and late round 1 picks outplay top 10 picks all the time.
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No you just dont understand the difference. Guys like us want us to lose but would never expect the players to try and lose.
 
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We could luck into a lower rated player who ends up better anyways. Who knows. This franchise needs legitimacy.


Who are we thinking of taking anyways ??
 
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Parcells4Life said:
We can agree about teams not playing to lose, but anyone who at the end of the season would rather have the 15th pick than the 8th pick because they’re afraid of a bust is crazy.
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It would be moronic. Moronic. And yet some here are actually saying that. Lol. It’s bizarre.

I can understand someone saying they want their team to win no matter what, I guess I can see that. But deny drafting higher is better is beyond idiotic.
 
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MarionBarberThe4th said:
We could luck into a lower rated player who ends up better anyways. Who knows. This franchise needs legitimacy.


Who are we thinking of taking anyways ??
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Needs legitimacy? Everyone sees Jaylon and LVE running around missing tackles. The defense has not been getting better. Everyone knows the first string QB is out. Beating terrible teams will not give this franchise “legitimacy” or conform to a winning culture. This franchise has been beating bad teams for years now and we are still where we are.
 
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CowboyRoy said:
Exactly. So why do you care if we are rooting for a loss?

All you prove when you root for a winning is that you dont understand the value of a higher pick.
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except the higher pick guarantees nothing. Its made up fantasy land stuff. If you are not in the top 2 or 3 more importantly not looking for a qb/left tackle/edge rusher then what is the issue here. Good players can be found all over the draft.

again middle to late round picks outplay top 10 picks all the time.

Winning is the point of the whole thing. The point isn't to win the draft, some arbitrary made up rankings and grades, it's to win the games when they are played.

this whole idea of losing to win the draft became this huge talking point with the inclusion of Bryan Broaddus on local radio and at the cowboys...plus of course twitter. It's fantasy football.

If you went back and talked to the 2004 49ers, dolphins and browns I bet they would trade those top 5 picks in 2005 for wins since none of the players turned out to be what they were supposed to be and two of them were average in Ronnie Brown and Braylon Edwards. Meanwhile the packers finished 10-6 and won the nfc north and drafted Aaron Rodgers at 24.

this same story is told over and over.
 
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MikeB80 said:
except the higher pick guarantees nothing. Its made up fantasy land stuff. If you are not in the top 2 or 3 more importantly not looking for a qb/left tackle/edge rusher then what is the issue here. Good players can be found all over the draft.

again middle to late round picks outplay top 10 picks all the time.

Winning is the point of the whole thing. The point isn't to win the draft, some arbitrary made up rankings and grades, it's to win the games when they are played.

this whole idea of losing to win the draft became this huge talking point with the inclusion of Bryan Broaddus on local radio and at the cowboys...plus of course twitter. It's fantasy football.

If you went back and talked to the 2004 49ers, dolphins and browns I bet they would trade those top 5 picks in 2005 for wins since none of the players turned out to be what they were supposed to be and two of them were average in Ronnie Brown and Braylon Edwards. Meanwhile the packers finished 10-6 and won the nfc north and drafted Aaron Rodgers at 24.

this same story is told over and over.
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Sure it does. A higher pick guarantees you the opportunity to draft players before the teams behind you do. In EVERY round. That's all you can ask for.

It also increases your "draft capital" which you then can turn into trade capital if you have that opportunity.

And what does winning a couple more games this year guarantee us? Absolutely nothing. Trade off is obvious.

If you dont get it, then just say so.
 
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J817 said:
Needs legitimacy? Everyone sees Jaylon and LVE running around missing tackles. The defense has not been getting better. Everyone knows the first string QB is out. Beating terrible teams will not give this franchise “legitimacy” or conform to a winning culture. This franchise has been beating bad teams for years now and we are still where we are.
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You’re overthinking it. Today’s game means something to jourdan Lewis. Who has put in 1,000 hours of hard work only to see no real results. Today meant something to him which means he will have more confidence next year and he can coach younger guys on the roster as they now see him as legitimate. The next time McCarthy preaches to keep your head up they’ll remember how this season ended. How he may know what he’s talking about.

You only get so many football Sunday’s. Don’t waste em
 
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CowboyRoy said:
Sure it does. A higher pick guarantees you the opportunity to draft players before the teams behind you do. In EVERY round. That's all you can ask for.

It also increases your "draft capital" which you then can turn into trade capital if you have that opportunity.

And what does winning a couple more games this year guarantee us? Absolutely nothing. Trade off is obvious.

If you dont get it, then just say so.
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Maybe we can even get a stud liek ceedee lamb!
 
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Sure it does. A higher pick guarantees you the opportunity to draft players before the teams behind you do. In EVERY round. That's all you can ask for.

It also increases your "draft capital" which you then can turn into trade capital if you have that opportunity.

And what does winning a couple more games this year guarantee us? Absolutely nothing. Trade off is obvious.

If you dont get it, then just say so.
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if you don't understand that a higher pick guarantees nothing I can't get through to you.

also if you don't understand that a brand new head coach losing and being okay with it and justifying losing by saying hey at least we have higher picks is a bad bad look then you are misunderstanding sports. young players on this team being around that kind of thing is a death blow.

winning a couple more games this year means they didn't give up and they went out and fought and finished strong. The head coach here snuck into the playoffs on a final drive at chicago in 2010 and ended up winning the super bowl. Not comparing this years team to that but it highlights why you don't just go oh well we are not that good lets lose to add better players.

also as far as draft capital goes I believe Dallas has as many or more picks than anyone going into next years draft. If capital means quantity they already have that.

and my final thought on this ridiculous topic is the fact that this front office keeps making mistakes and has shown you for over a decade they will make incredibly boneheaded moves with high picks and mid and low picks yet you want to lose games (the whole point) because you think they are going to do something different this year is insane.
 
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MikeB80 said:
if you don't understand that a higher pick guarantees nothing I can't get through to you.

also if you don't understand that a brand new head coach losing and being okay with it and justifying losing by saying hey at least we have higher picks is a bad bad look then you are misunderstanding sports. young players on this team being around that kind of thing is a death blow.

winning a couple more games this year means they didn't give up and they went out and fought and finished strong. The head coach here snuck into the playoffs on a final drive at chicago in 2010 and ended up winning the super bowl. Not comparing this years team to that but it highlights why you don't just go oh well we are not that good lets lose to add better players.

also as far as draft capital goes I believe Dallas has as many or more picks than anyone going into next years draft. If capital means quantity they already have that.

and my final thought on this ridiculous topic is the fact that this front office keeps making mistakes and has shown you for over a decade they will make incredibly boneheaded moves with high picks and mid and low picks yet you want to lose games (the whole point) because you think they are going to do something different this year is insane.
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Im not looking for a guarantee. Im looking for the opportunity to pick higher. Before most of the other teams. Pretty simple concept.

Since when did losing mean you gave up? You making this stuff up as you go?
 
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