Draft position probably not hurt by today

MikeB80

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Im not looking for a guarantee. Im looking for the opportunity to pick higher. Before most of the other teams. Pretty simple concept.

its the only way to get Ronnie Brown before everyone else. Excellent strategy.
 

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its the only way to get Ronnie Brown before everyone else. Excellent strategy.

Drafting high isn't a strategy. If there was no advantage to drafting high then why do they give the bad teams higher picks?

Duh...............so they can get Ronnie Brown? :lmao2::lmao2::lmao::lmao:
 

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Drafting high isn't a strategy. If there was no advantage to drafting high then why do they give the bad teams higher picks?

Duh...............so they can get Ronnie Brown? :lmao2::lmao2::lmao::lmao:

its true if the dolphins didn't do all that losing they would not have had the opportunity to draft Ronnie brown at 2. The packers unfortunately won their division and got stuck at 24 with Aaron Rodgers.

Excellent work by the dolphins.
 

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its true if the dolphins didn't do all that losing they would not have had the opportunity to draft Ronnie brown at 2. The packers unfortunately won their division and got stuck at 24 with Aaron Rodgers.

Excellent work by the dolphins.

Yep, but the dolphins had the opportunity to take Rogers first if they wanted to do so.
 

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I bet the Eagles wish they were drafting one spot ahead of us instead of the other way around. When we got Lamb they were all crying about it.
If we picked lower a few years ago maybe we get handed tj watt instead of selecting taco
 

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Bottom line ask Jimmy Johnson what being able to get a ton of draft capital can get you. If you’re just picking 1 time each round I agree to an extent that it doesn’t matter. But the higher the pick the more opportunities to trade up or down and get either a better player or more picks.

Jimmy got this in 1989.

Jason, who I’ve defended and been a fan of personally, always tried to win the last game of the year to go 9-7 to give the team a “winning season” when they were out of the playoffs. What momentum did that create for the next year?

Also the more picks, the more players on cheap contracts you can have which matters when you have as many max level contracts as the Cowboys have on offense.
 

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:facepalm::huh::facepalm::huh:
I wonder if the fans that want a top five pick are the ones that want to cut our fourth pick in Zeke???
Most think that Zach Martin is our best player, was he a top five pick?
They assume we can draft 6th then trade down for like 10 picks ignoring that few teams have any real ammo to move up so at best we are liable to end up with 1 extra pick and something next year.

And that's if they don't highly value a guy at 6th or 7th like Pat Surtain or Farley.
 

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It would be moronic. Moronic. And yet some here are actually saying that. Lol. It’s bizarre.

I can understand someone saying they want their team to win no matter what, I guess I can see that. But deny drafting higher is better is beyond idiotic.
The players and coaches gave the middle finger to the tanker’s last week and today.
 

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Bottom line ask Jimmy Johnson what being able to get a ton of draft capital can get you. If you’re just picking 1 time each round I agree to an extent that it doesn’t matter. But the higher the pick the more opportunities to trade up or down and get either a better player or more picks.

Jimmy got this in 1989.

Jason, who I’ve defended and been a fan of personally, always tried to win the last game of the year to go 9-7 to give the team a “winning season” when they were out of the playoffs. What momentum did that create for the next year?

Also the more picks, the more players on cheap contracts you can have which matters when you have as many max level contracts as the Cowboys have on offense.
Jimmy invented the momentum concept JG talks of.... That's literally where he got it.
Jimmy tanked 1 season where had already used the 1st rounder and future number 1 overall pick on Steve Walsh... but mostly he was just ensuring the Vikings players didn't get on the field to screw up the draft pick compensation.

Jimmy inherited 2 of the triplets and was forced to take Aikman. He hustled Mike Lynn in a fashion that should be illegal but again it was one move.

He tore it all down but really the only guy he traded that netted much was Hershel Walker and it was one deal. --because Jerry was too cheap to pay Herschel.

Lots of picks are great but you need a sucker on the other end of the phone to get them.
Jimmy went 7-9 in year 2. They went 4-2 down the stretch. He talked of momentum and making the playoffs the following year.
They did.

Teams are very reluctant to trade up unless it is for a QB. Do I really want to tank games for an extra 3rd round pick?
Easy answer is no.
 

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The players and coaches gave the middle finger to the tanker’s last week and today.
I warned of this weeks ago.
It was a terribly easy schedule and we'd almost certainly win some games.
Dudes who were hurt at the bad start now found a new way to be hurt by hoping for losses to trash teams.

We only get 16 NFL games a year. Just watch and enjoy them for what they are THEN worry about the drafty imho.
 

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there is no intentional about it. You don't play to lose.

the history of the draft tells us good players are taken at all spots in every round of the draft. This organization has shown you time and time again they will take high picks/2nd round picks/valuable picks and squander them on players not worthy of the position they are picking at or on players who can not even help the team in the immediate future.

Jaylon smith, randy gregory, Robert brewster, jason williams, trading a 2 for Drew henson, Gavin escobar, jj wilcox, chaz green, taco charlton, quincy carter etc etc etc.

they will do what they do.
Dude you DIDN'T just bring Brewster back into my life did you???

I completely forgot about that waste of a person.

Wow!!!
 

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I warned of this weeks ago.
It was a terribly easy schedule and we'd almost certainly win some games.
Dudes who were hurt at the bad start now found a new way to be hurt by hoping for losses to trash teams.

We only get 16 NFL games a year. Just watch and enjoy them for what they are THEN worry about the drafty imho.
Absolutely.
 

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Jimmy invented the momentum concept JG talks of.... That's literally where he got it.
Jimmy tanked 1 season where had already used the 1st rounder and future number 1 overall pick on Steve Walsh... but mostly he was just ensuring the Vikings players didn't get on the field to screw up the draft pick compensation.

Jimmy inherited 2 of the triplets and was forced to take Aikman. He hustled Mike Lynn in a fashion that should be illegal but again it was one move.

He tore it all down but really the only guy he traded that netted much was Hershel Walker and it was one deal. --because Jerry was too cheap to pay Herschel.

Lots of picks are great but you need a sucker on the other end of the phone to get them.
Jimmy went 7-9 in year 2. They went 4-2 down the stretch. He talked of momentum and making the playoffs the following year.
They did.

Teams are very reluctant to trade up unless it is for a QB. Do I really want to tank games for an extra 3rd round pick?
Easy answer is no.
Momentum from year to year doesn’t exist. When’s the last time the Cowboys had double digit wins in back to back years?

In 2015 they were terrible and followed it up by a 13-3 season. Then they missed the playoffs the following year.

Games in late December against fellow non playoff teams don’t mean anything. You’re literally only playing for draft position. Do people think the defense is magically the best in the league because they played well against 2 3rd string QBs the last two weeks?

If getting a fumble recovery when a player drops the ball after running into his own guy makes him a pro bowler to you, then I guess good for you.

I like plays like Donovan Wilson made that show instincts on the ball. You can root for individual improvement and development without thinking the final score is the be all end all in December when you’re out of it.
 

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Momentum from year to year doesn’t exist. When’s the last time the Cowboys had double digit wins in back to back years?

In 2015 they were terrible and followed it up by a 13-3 season. Then they missed the playoffs the following year.

Games in late December against fellow non playoff teams don’t mean anything. You’re literally only playing for draft position. Do people think the defense is magically the best in the league because they played well against 2 3rd string QBs the last two weeks?

If getting a fumble recovery when a player drops the ball after running into his own guy makes him a pro bowler to you, then I guess good for you.

I like plays like Donovan Wilson made that show instincts on the ball. You can root for individual improvement and development without thinking the final score is the be all end all in December when you’re out of it.


I think it used to exist back before the introduction of a salary cap in 1994 and the change to free agency in 1993 because before then more playmaking players would spend their whole careers on the same team, leading more to a shared identity with the team as a whole.

Now? Players are all about business decisions and making the most money. Which is understandable, but has definitely hurt the idea of loyalty and identity with a team and thus rendering old concepts, like momentum between seasons obsolete....applying most old strategies from previous eras to today's era is doomed to failure. The game evolved and evolves...Garrett kept trying to adapt outdated ideas and concepts to today.
 

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Next week:
Houston plays Cincinnati
Chargers play Broncos
Dallas plays Philly.

If all 3 games go our way we’ll be back up to 6.

Also Carolina finishes with Washington and New Orleans. Possible they could win both if NO rests players on week 17.
Wrong!
We had the #4 pick locked up if we lose out. Now if we lose our last 2 games, we might get the #7 pick if we’re lucky!
 

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Momentum from year to year doesn’t exist. When’s the last time the Cowboys had double digit wins in back to back years?

In 2015 they were terrible and followed it up by a 13-3 season. Then they missed the playoffs the following year.

Games in late December against fellow non playoff teams don’t mean anything. You’re literally only playing for draft position. Do people think the defense is magically the best in the league because they played well against 2 3rd string QBs the last two weeks?

If getting a fumble recovery when a player drops the ball after running into his own guy makes him a pro bowler to you, then I guess good for you.

I like plays like Donovan Wilson made that show instincts on the ball. You can root for individual improvement and development without thinking the final score is the be all end all in December when you’re out of it.
I completely agree with you. I like to see individual players making real football plays that demonstrate football knowledge and instincts. I definitely would rather not see the unforced fumble for a return for a TD or the other team so banged up they need to plug in a player that has never played G, or resort to their 3 string RB.

This defense has soooo many holes. Three losses and a 4th round pick is so much more important to our future than late season wins to seriously depleted teams.
 

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Momentum from year to year doesn’t exist. When’s the last time the Cowboys had double digit wins in back to back years?

In 2015 they were terrible and followed it up by a 13-3 season. Then they missed the playoffs the following year.

Games in late December against fellow non playoff teams don’t mean anything. You’re literally only playing for draft position. Do people think the defense is magically the best in the league because they played well against 2 3rd string QBs the last two weeks?

If getting a fumble recovery when a player drops the ball after running into his own guy makes him a pro bowler to you, then I guess good for you.

I like plays like Donovan Wilson made that show instincts on the ball. You can root for individual improvement and development without thinking the final score is the be all end all in December when you’re out of it.
I am not saying I buy it, I'm saying Jimmy invented the concept around Dallas and definitely was the one who introduced it to JG.

Reality is getting better and playing better does matter. Teams have to learn to win. Playing better, finding answers at a couple positions and winning games actually matters.
It's not about momentum but improvement.

Jimmy wanted to win going into the playoffs.
He'd like to lose a game 2-3 weeks before so he could tear into the team them win a couple so he could build them up before the playoffs.
He had all sorts of mental to-dos because he was a Psychology major.

Tankers are lying to themselves and think they'll have this magic draft bounty.
It almost never works that way.
Realistically, Dallas would get maybe an extra 3rd in a trade down in R1 because they finished outside the top 3 players in a non-elite draft.

Maybe they end up with CB2 instead of CB1....
Losing guarantees nothing except that you are a loser.
I still remember the excitement around here when Bill Parcells got them to 8-8 because they finally shrugged off being a loser.
Bill Parcells darn sure wasn't tanking.
 
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