Time to learn some truth about the front office

IceStar-D7 · Dec 26, 2020

It's like NASCAR. You can have the best car with the best engine but if you have Jethro Bodine driving it. You'll never win. Dallas has always seemed to have the talent at players but the coaching has been lacking. Get a good coach in Dallas and you'll see things change fast. I never understood Jerry spending all those draft picks and money on supposed player talent. Then go out and hire a sorrybutt coach and expect a different results. Just pure stupidity at the highest level. IMO :facepalm:

Diehardblues · Dec 26, 2020

xwalker said:
Stephen Jones was not running the football operations when Garrett was original promoted to Head Coach.

SJ was definitely not a fan of Garrett in Garrett's last few seasons.

It was SJ that kept pushing Garrett out of the Offensive Coordinator role.

It is definite that in the Feb/March timeframe of Linehan's last season that SJ gave Linehan complete control over offense but gave him a do or die mandate.
- SJ definitely told Garrett to give Linehan full control.
- The idea was that it would either improve the team or it would hasten Garrett's exit.

SJ said directly on Sports Talk Radio in March of 2019 that Garrett had not been good enough.

It is common in family owned businesses that when the son starts to take over, that he pushes out the people closest to the Father.
- Garrett was the last remaining person in football operations that had close ties to Jerry.

Much of this is your interpretations from the events unfolding.

I’d argue much like his father some of these public comments were to calm the waters. Linehan took over as OC but it was still Garrett’s offense.

Public pressure forced Jethro and Son to at least publicly take the play-calling away. It was typical Damage Control that we’ve often seen from this dysfunctional organization.

But mostly until Daddy officially passes the baton I’m not crediting Son anymore than his current title as VP of Player Personnel. Which he’s held for decades.

What kind of father turns over the reins without officially giving his son the title or credit?

xwalker · Dec 26, 2020

Diehardblues said:
Much of this is your interpretations from the events unfolding.

I’d argue much like his father some of these public comments were to calm the waters. Linehan took over as OC but it was still Garrett’s offense.

Public pressure forced Jethro and Son to at least publicly take the play-calling away. It was typical Damage Control that we’ve often seen from this dysfunctional organization.

But mostly until Daddy officially passes the baton I’m not crediting Son anymore than his current title as VP of Player Personnel. Which he’s held for decades.

What kind of father turns over the reins without officially giving his son the title or credit?

Stephen Jones Title:
Executive Vice President, CEO and Director of Player Personnel

Diehardblues · Dec 26, 2020

CouchCoach said:
Why is that so hard for people to accept that they need to make up stories that Booger is not running his team?

I would think that if they truly believe the son is running the show, that would give them concern for the future. At least hold out hope that some Jones might be know how to build a football team.

Good question . My hunch is it provides some fans more hope that Son could be taking over. They feel it’s a sign that Jethro is finally kicking the can.

But what kind of father doesn’t officially acknowledge his Son has taken over the pulpit and then begin giving him his credit.

No, while I think Son has inserted himself more publicly and Daddy has never really been a full time GM wearing so many hats that if we have success again it will be Jethro hoisting the Lombardi and taking credit not bowing out for his Son.

Diehardblues · Dec 26, 2020

xwalker said:
Stephen Jones Title:
Executive Vice President, CEO and Director of Player Personnel

Which is basically same title he’s held for years.

If Son is truly running the team why do you think Dad hasn’t made it official?

DandyDon52 · Dec 26, 2020

CouchCoach said:
The son is a slimeball of a friend. They became friends when Garrett first joined the team because of the daughter's background in the Ivy League, Garrett because something different of a football player to the family. The son became tight with him and was instrumental in keeping his name prevalent with his father as Garrett progressed elsewhere. The daughter bcame best friends with Garrett's wife.

When the need arose, Booger hired Garrett without a title and HC was still being considered and when it all started coming undone with Phillips, the son was the voice in Booger's ear about promoting Garrett as was always the plan. As Aikman predicted, Garrett would become a NFL HC but the son wanted a finer point on that and got no argument form his father.

The son began to turn on Garrett when he realized it might affect his standing with his father and after all, blood is much thicker than water but money is thicker than both. He's a dbag and I've known 4 people that had to be around him for business and none have anything good to say about him. They did say that him being around makes Booger look better by comparison as a person. He is every bit the lucky sperm.

well he did make garrett 50 million over 10 years so that aint nothing.

xwalker · Dec 26, 2020

Diehardblues said:
Which is basically same title he’s held for years.

If Son is truly running the team why do you think Dad hasn’t made it official?

If you don't know the answer to that question, then you have not been paying attention for the past 30 years...

Jerry is back to his role when Jimmy was the HC and acting GM. Jerry had the GM title then but everyone in the world knows that he was not functioning as the GM.

It is a well known fact among local media that at this point that Jerry has minimal involvement with football operations.

DLaw's agent only met Jerry 1 time ever and that was at a photo shoot event.

All trade discussion talks with other teams goes though Stephen Jones now with Will McClay as his right-hand man.

Stephen Jones interviewed McCarthy before Jerry had even spoken to McCarthy.

The free agency philosophy they now follow is exactly the philosophy that Stephen Jones has been talking about on local Sports Talk Radio interviews for several years now.
- It is not a philosophy that Jerry ever advocated prior to this past decade.

Diehardblues · Dec 26, 2020

xwalker said:
If you don't know the answer to that question, then you have not been paying attention for the past 30 years...

Jerry is back to his role when Jimmy was the HC and acting GM. Jerry had the GM title then but everyone in the world knows that he was not functioning as the GM.

It is a well known fact among local media that at this point that Jerry has minimal involvement with football operations.

DLaw's agent only met Jerry 1 time ever and that was at a photo shoot event.

All trade discussion talks with other teams goes though Stephen Jones now with Will McClay as his right-hand man.

Stephen Jones interviewed McCarthy before Jerry had even spoken to McCarthy.

The free agency philosophy they now follow is exactly the philosophy that Stephen Jones has been talking about on local Sports Talk Radio interviews for several years now.
- It is not a philosophy that Jerry ever advocated prior to this past decade.

I’m not denying he’s taking a more public role and inserting himself. I am denying he’s the final word in Cowboys Football which would be my definition of running the team.

And if Daddy truly intends for his Son to be receiving this credit you’re bestowing in him , what kind of father doesn’t publicly and officially pass the baton so they can receive their due and accolades should the success come?

Western · Dec 26, 2020

FuzzyLumpkins said:
Jones has been the GM since 1989.

From 1989 - 1993, Jimmy Johnson controlled all player transactions, had complete oversight of the entire football department, and hired and fired his own coaching staff.

Diehardblues · Dec 26, 2020

Western said:
From 1989 - 1993, Jimmy Johnson controlled all player transactions, had complete oversight of the entire football department, and hired and fired his own coaching staff.

Yes, but Jethro still had the final word which to the best of my knowledge he never waived with Jimmy’s demands which deserved more credit than it was often depicted.

Trajan · Dec 26, 2020

Jerruh, sign Stephan to a 100 year contract ! Get er done !!!

buybuydandavis · Dec 26, 2020

Diehardblues said:
What kind of father turns over the reins without officially giving his son the title or credit?

Part of the Cowboys dog and pony show is having Jerry at the helm. They're in the sports entertainment business. Jerry is an entertainer.

FuzzyLumpkins · Dec 26, 2020

Western said:
From 1989 - 1993, Jimmy Johnson controlled all player transactions, had complete oversight of the entire football department, and hired and fired his own coaching staff.

That is a public argument they have and there is no evidence of Jimmy's contract as definitive proof. Jimmy undoubtedly had tons of control but he had kittens when Jones made the Everett acquisition. Also, the fact that both have been claiming to have made this or that decision lend to the notion that both sides contributed.

MikeB80 · Dec 26, 2020

xwalker said:
Stephen Jones was not running the football operations when Garrett was original promoted to Head Coach.

SJ was definitely not a fan of Garrett in Garrett's last few seasons.

It was SJ that kept pushing Garrett out of the Offensive Coordinator role.

It is definite that in the Feb/March timeframe of Linehan's last season that SJ gave Linehan complete control over offense but gave him a do or die mandate.
- SJ definitely told Garrett to give Linehan full control.
- The idea was that it would either improve the team or it would hasten Garrett's exit.

SJ said directly on Sports Talk Radio in March of 2019 that Garrett had not been good enough.

It is common in family owned businesses that when the son starts to take over, that he pushes out the people closest to the Father.
- Garrett was the last remaining person in football operations that had close ties to Jerry.

hey you believe what you want I guess. This is an alternative reality.

For the record it was Romo that got the OC taken away from Garrett. That was part of his new contract he signed in 13 and jerry said he wanted romo to be a peyton manning this was what he was talking about. Romo wanted input on the gameplan because he had issues with them and he took that upstairs...Romo gets new contract and then we had two new coordinators.

Stephen was all in on Garrett. I know it for a fact from a friend who works there and has been there awhile. The two them came up with a fake issue that demarcus ware would never be healthy enough to be a good player again and then pulled the plug on Romo. They made the organizations decisions and had to battle with jerry.

and as I have stated here many times before I could tell you about specifics of jerry in recent years concerning the draft that would show you at the end of the day Jerry still does what he wants. If I actually told the story of what went down people would understand exactly how foolish this organization is.

but hey you believe what you interpret to be true. Doesn't make a difference either way.

cern · Dec 26, 2020

MikeB80 said:
No you have it very wrong.

It was steven and Jason that formed the idea of breaking jerry of his ways of spending on older players and holding onto them for two long. They were the ones who wanted to go young and had to wait till wade was gone. Once he was and jason was the head coach the two of them started getting rid of veterans and no more big contracts were given to free agents sans brandon carr....and on carr...that was part of the change from stephen and jason also. Tom Ciskowski was in the role that Will McClay has now and he screwed up the draft with the whole room being confused and trading for claiborne. That was it for jason and stephen.

those two have been battling with jerry on decisions from day one. They were together on eliminating jerry's influence from the team. They still have not done it. Drafting zach martin sort of convinced jerry they knew what they were doing but he still has not backed off. Jerry hired monte kiffin.

i am not sure of the example you are using of stephen calling out jason in 2015 but he repeatedly propped him up as one of the best coaches in the league throughout 14 and 16 and that is because the organization was running on the philosophy the two of them had put together years before so compliments on garrett was a compliment to himself.

Stephen turning on garrett in 19 is exactly to be expected because stephen can not be fired and him breaking away from stuff that did not work is a pretty nice way of having people believe he was some sort of adversary to Garrett.

Stephen is a salesmen like his dad. He has said so much nonsense through the years that he is no more worth listening to than Jerry. Whether its his ridiculous comments about the team being so talent heavy that they are fielding trade calls every day in the summer 08, or his secret sauce comments in the offseason of 13 or his constant promoting of the Talent (once again) going into 19 and 20. Its an endless list.

Stephen and Garrett were the guys behind no more big free agency signings and trying to win with only homegrown players. This idea that stephen did not like Jason is 100% false.

No, it is not. Just look at garrett's departure. Contract allowed to expire. No fanfare. No press conference. No even the obligatory we've mutually decided to move in another direction. He was kicked to the curb.

TNCowboy · Dec 26, 2020

LOL at the OP clown. NFL success is not measured in pro bowlers.

In the case of the Cowboys, it's measured in decades. As in 2 and a half of them since they've been to an NFCC game, much less won a title. :laugh:

at "pro bowlers".

Diehardblues · Dec 26, 2020

Garrett walked away after not being resigned only after Jethro exhausted every avenue in trying to sway public opinion to retain him delaying the final decision much longer than expected. We all saw with our own eyes how miserable he was making that decision. Letting Garrett walk wasn’t what they wanted.

Diehardblues · Dec 26, 2020

buybuydandavis said:
Part of the Cowboys dog and pony show is having Jerry at the helm. They're in the sports entertainment business. Jerry is an entertainer.

Yea, anyone who doesn’t believe Daddy still gets the last word and this is still his show despite whatever responsibility he’s delegating isn’t paying attention.

Diehardblues · Dec 26, 2020

TNCowboy said:
LOL at the OP clown. NFL success is not measured in pro bowlers.

In the case of the Cowboys, it's measured in decades. As in 2 and a half of them since they've been to an NFCC game, much less won a title. at "pro bowlers".

Yea, it’s like saying we’ve hired some fine or talented people although they haven’t been producing but it’s not our fault. Lol

cern · Dec 27, 2020

Diehardblues said:
Garrett walked away after not being resigned only after Jethro exhausted every avenue in trying to sway public opinion to retain him delaying the final decision much longer than expected. We all saw with our own eyes how miserable he was making that decision. Letting Garrett walk wasn’t what they wanted.

Yes, Jerry cares so much about our opinions. All you had to see was the look on Jerry's face as Garrett and his poor coaching cost us the final loss to the eagles. Probably Jerry's darkest moment. Anyone who couldn't see that was garrett's last stand is blind or obtuse.

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