If Washington Loses today, would be a wild final weekend

bigdnlaca · Dec 27, 2020

Cowboyny said:
If Washington/NY/Dallas finish with the same record, Dallas wins the division.

Giants win the division because they would have beaten 2 teams both WFT and Dallas couldn’t beat.

TwoCentPlain · Dec 27, 2020

JoeKing said:
A Carolina win today would be a miracle.

Carolina played GB tight last week. Bridgewater fumble early in the game on first and goal was the big swing and difference in the game.

Carson · Dec 27, 2020

JoeKing said:
A Carolina win today would be a miracle.

Not so fast. Carolina has lost 8 of 9 by one score. Washington is without McLaurin and likely Smith.

If Carolina can score 20-24 they should pull it off. No turnovers and stop the run. It likely won't happen but it can

maryquality · Dec 27, 2020

Not trying to burst anyone's bubble here, but our chances are "slim to none".

Cowboyny · Dec 27, 2020

bigdnlaca said:
Giants win the division because they would have beaten 2 teams both WFT and Dallas couldn’t beat.

To Break A Tie Within A Division

Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games between the clubs).
Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division.
Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games.
Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
Strength of victory.

I believe that's where the Cowboys win the tie-breaker.

TwoCentPlain · Dec 27, 2020

Risen Star said:
Who wins if the tiebreaker's talent?

Bet I know.

If the Eagles still had Wentz as their starting QB, they would lose the talent tiebreaker. And it wouldn’t even be close.

Motorola · Dec 27, 2020

Cowboyny said:
I just read on Hog Heavens there are 16 potential outcomes for the divisional crown if Washington loses today:

6 out of 16 for Washington
5 out of 16 for New York
3 out of 16 for Dallas (wins a 3 way tie breaker)
2 out of 16 for Philly

That would make final weekend game very interesting not only for the NFC East Crown, but draft slotting as well. CAROLINA WOULD MOVE BACK OUT OF THAT KEY #4 SLOT. Washington would have the lower strength of schedule then Dallas and would pick ahead of us if we finished with the same record.

This all means nothing if Washington wins today, but with Haskins as their QB, anything is possible.

And Atlanta would move up to #4 (btw they play at Kansas City today)

Cowboyny · Dec 27, 2020

Motorola said:
And Atlanta would move up to #4 (btw they play at Kansas City today)

Yeah, but next week they play the Bucs, who might not have anything to play for, as they are already in the postseason.

bigdnlaca · Dec 27, 2020

Cowboyny said:
To Break A Tie Within A Division

Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games between the clubs).

Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division.

Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games.

Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.

Strength of victory.

I believe that's where the Cowboys win the tie-breaker.

ok breakdown. If Giants win week 16 but lose 17 and teams are 6-10, Giants win that due to common games. All 3 teams are 2-2 against each other and 3-3 within division.

If Giants lose week 16 and then win week 17, they get the tie breaker for being 4-2 in the division.

DCBoysfan · Dec 27, 2020

I here for all the chaos that wound happen if they were to lose and we win today.

Cowboyny · Dec 27, 2020

bigdnlaca said:
ok breakdown. If Giants win week 16 but lose 17 and teams are 6-10, Giants win that due to common games. All 3 teams are 2-2 against each other and 3-3 within division.

If Giants lose week 16 and then win week 17, they get the tie breaker for being 4-2 in the division.

I think the only way we can win the tiebreaker is in a 3 way tie, as Washington lost to the Giants twice, we beat the Giants twice, as all 3 would have the same divisional records. Without looking at each team's schedules, I think Cowboys might lose the common games as the Giants would have beaten the Seahawks and the Ravens, where we only beat the 49ers. What they posted could be wrong.

Fla Cowpoke · Dec 27, 2020

The teams are:
Commanders - 6-8
Cowboys - 5-9
Giants - 5-9 (Dallas has head to head tie breaker)
Eagles - 4-9-1

We know we need Commanders to lose both. So they must finish 6-10. Dallas must win both.

If Dallas beats Philly we move to 6-9 but would still be second place due to tiebreaker
Eagles would be 4-10-1 and out of it
We want Giants to lose to stay at 5-10

If we are all tied at 6-10, Washington would be have a 2-2 record, Dallas would have a 1-3 record, Giants would be 3-1 and win the division.

Week 16 we play Giants and need the win. Washington and Philly play. We would need the Philly won so the Commanders say at 6 wins. Philly would have 5. Dallas would have 7 and the Giants would have 5.

So it is really pretty simple for us. Beat the Eagles and Giants. Hope for a Commanders loss. Assuming people want to make playoffs and have a first round exit most likely, and dropping many places in the draft.

Motorola · Dec 27, 2020

Cowboyny said:
Yeah, but next week they play the Bucs, who might not have anything to play for, as they are already in the postseason.

Au contraire, Cowboyny - they do have something to play for. They are currently in the 1st wildcard \ 5th playoff spot. Bucs winning final game will assure they stay there over either the Rams or Seahawks.
In the 5th post-season berth, the Bucs go play the NFC East winner.
In the 6th post-season berth, the Bucs go play the NFC West winner - Seahawks or Rams. Which is the more likely matchup to win on the road?

bigdnlaca · Dec 27, 2020

Cowboyny said:
I think the only way we can win the tiebreaker is in a 3 way tie, as Washington lost to the Giants twice, we beat the Giants twice, as all 3 would have the same divisional records. Without looking at each team's schedules, I think Cowboys might lose the common games as the Giants would have beaten the Seahawks and the Ravens, where we only beat the 49ers. What they posted could be wrong.

There is no tiebreaker the Cowboys can win. That is a fact. They have to get to 7 and WFT stay at 6 to win division.

JoeKing · Dec 27, 2020

ninja said:
Carolina played GB tight last week. Bridgewater fumble early in the game on first and goal was the big swing and difference in the game.

SeanLee50 said:
Not so fast. Carolina has lost 8 of 9 by one score. Washington is without McLaurin and likely Smith.

If Carolina can score 20-24 they should pull it off. No turnovers and stop the run. It likely won't happen but it can

I hope they win today. We could use the help.

Dre11 · Dec 27, 2020

JoeKing said:
A Carolina win today would be a miracle.

no it wouldn't, Haskins is below average, and Carolina is better than what their record shows.

EST_1986 · Dec 27, 2020

ThatJerryKid said:
It doesn’t mean anything if Dallas loses today. Who cares about the NFC east week 17 if the Cowboys are already eliminated.

I’m a fan of football so I’d care

Cowboyny · Dec 27, 2020

bigdnlaca said:
There is no tiebreaker the Cowboys can win. That is a fact. They have to get to 7 and WFT stay at 6 to win division.

I think you are right, only path to win out and Washington lose out

Chocolate Lab · Dec 27, 2020

ChronicCowboy said:
Washington will win handily. Carolina has the #4 pick right now and have no reason to give it up.

I don't know, Haskins can be a major train wreck.

Alweezy · Dec 27, 2020

We have seen all year that the NFC East is really below average this year across the board. I am not sure why a Washington loss today is considered improbable or a miracle. It wouldn't be a surprise to me if they come out flat and lose today.

If Washington Loses today, would be a wild final weekend

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