News: Cowboys Know Value Of Losing: Its Name Is 'Troy Aikman'

But it's not just tanking for Troy Aikman. It's tanking for Moose Johnston. And Mark Stepnoski. And Tony Tolbert. It's every round.

http://www.drafthistory.com/index.php/positions/qb

All first round quarterback picks since 1937:

Year/Overall Pick/Player (Team, College)
2020 01 Joe Burrow ( Bengals, Louisiana State )
2020 05 Tua Tagovailoa ( Dolphins, Alabama )
2020 06 Justin Herbert ( Chargers, Oregon )
2020 26 Jordan Love ( Packers [Utah State )
2019 01 Kyler Murray ( Cardinals, Oklahoma )
2019 06 Daniel Jones ( Giants, Duke )
2019 15 Dwayne Haskins ( Commanders [Ohio State )
2018 01 Baker Mayfield ( Browns, Oklahoma )
2018 03 Sam Darnold ( Jets, USC )
2018 07 Josh Allen ( Bills, Wyoming )
2018 10 Josh Rosen ( Cardinals [UCLA )
2018 32 Lamar Jackson ( Ravens [Louisville )
2017 02 Mitchell Trubisky ( Bears, North Carolina )
2017 10 Patrick Mahomes ( Chiefs [Texas Tech )
2017 12 Deshaun Watson ( Texans [Clemson )
2016 01 Jared Goff ( Rams, California )
2016 02 Carson Wentz ( Eagles, North Dakota State )
2016 26 Paxton Lynch ( Broncos [Memphis )
2015 01 Jameis Winston ( Buccaneers, Florida State )
2015 02 Marcus Mariota ( Titans, Oregon )
2014 03 Blake Bortles ( Jaguars, Central Florida )
2014 22 Johnny Manziel ( Browns [Texas A&M )
2014 32 Teddy Bridgewater ( Vikings [Louisville )
2013 16 EJ Manuel ( Bills [Florida State )
2012 01 Andrew Luck ( Colts, Stanford )
2012 02 Robert Griffin ( Commanders, Baylor )
2012 08 Ryan Tannehill ( Dolphins, Texas A&M )
2012 22 Brandon Weeden ( Browns [Oklahoma State )
2011 01 Cam Newton ( Panthers, Auburn )
2011 08 Jake Locker ( Titans, Washington )
2011 10 Blaine Gabbert ( Jaguars [Missouri )
2011 12 Christian Ponder ( Vikings [Florida State )
2010 01 Sam Bradford ( Rams, Oklahoma )
2010 25 Tim Tebow ( Broncos [Florida )
2009 01 Matthew Stafford ( Lions, Georgia )
2009 05 Mark Sanchez ( Jets, USC )
2009 17 Josh Freeman ( Buccaneers [Kansas State )
2008 03 Matt Ryan ( Falcons, Boston College )
2008 18 Joe Flacco ( Ravens [Delaware )
2007 01 JaMarcus Russell ( Raiders, Louisiana State )
2007 22 Brady Quinn ( Browns [Notre Dame )
2006 03 Vince Young ( Titans, Texas )
2006 10 Matt Leinart ( Cardinals [USC )
2006 11 Jay Cutler ( Broncos [Vanderbilt )
2005 01 Alex Smith ( 49ers, Utah )
2005 24 Aaron Rodgers ( Packers [California )
2005 25 Jason Campbell ( Commanders [Auburn )
2004 01 Eli Manning ( Chargers, Mississippi )
2004 04 Philip Rivers ( Giants, North Carolina State )
2004 11 Ben Roethlisberger ( Steelers [Miami (OH) )
2004 22 J.P. Losman ( Bills [Tulane )
2003 01 Carson Palmer ( Bengals, USC )
2003 07 Byron Leftwich ( Jaguars, Marshall )
2003 19 Kyle Boller ( Ravens [California )
2003 22 Rex Grossman ( Bears [Florida )
2002 01 David Carr ( Texans, Fresno State )
2002 03 Joey Harrington ( Lions, Oregon )
2002 32 Patrick Ramsey ( Commanders [Tulane )
2001 01 Michael Vick ( Falcons, Virginia Tech )
2000 18 Chad Pennington ( Jets [Marshall )
1999 01 Tim Couch ( Browns, Kentucky )
1999 02 Donovan McNabb ( Eagles, Syracuse )
1999 03 Akili Smith ( Bengals, Oregon )
1999 11 Daunte Culpepper ( Vikings [Central Florida )
1999 12 Cade McNown ( Bears [UCLA )
1998 01 Peyton Manning ( Colts, Tennessee )
1998 02 Ryan Leaf ( Chargers, Washington State )
1997 26 Jim Druckenmiller ( 49ers [Virginia Tech )
1995 03 Steve McNair ( Oilers, Alcorn State )
1995 05 Kerry Collins ( Panthers, Penn State )
1994 03 Heath Shuler ( Commanders, Tennessee )
1994 06 Trent Dilfer ( Buccaneers, Fresno State )
1993 01 Drew Bledsoe ( Patriots, Washington State )
1993 02 Rick Mirer ( Seahawks, Notre Dame )
1992 00 Dave Brown ( Giants, Duke ) *NFL Supplemental Draft
1992 06 David Klingler ( Bengals, Houston )
1992 25 Tommy Maddox ( Broncos [UCLA )
1991 16 Dan McGwire ( Seahawks [San Diego State )
1991 24 Todd Marinovich ( Raiders [USC )
1990 01 Jeff George ( Colts, Illinois )
1990 07 Andre Ware ( Lions, Houston )
1989 00 Steve Walsh ( Cowboys, Miami (FL) ) *NFL Supplemental Draft
1989 00 Timm Rosenbach ( Cardinals, Washington State ) *NFL Supplemental Draft
1989 01 Troy Aikman ( Cowboys, UCLA )
1987 01 Vinny Testaverde ( Buccaneers, Miami (FL) )
1987 06 Kelly Stouffer ( Cardinals, Colorado State )
1987 13 Chris Miller ( Falcons [Oregon )
1987 26 Jim Harbaugh ( Bears [Michigan )
1986 03 Jim Everett ( Oilers, Purdue )
1986 12 Chuck Long ( Lions [Iowa )
1985 00 Bernie Kosar ( Browns, Miami (FL) ) *NFL Supplemental Draft
1984 01 Steve Young ( Buccaneers, Brigham Young ) *USFL Supplemental Draft
1984 07 Wayne Peace ( Bengals, Florida ) *USFL Supplemental Draft
1984 10 Ken Hobart ( Jets [Idaho ) *USFL Supplemental Draft
1983 01 John Elway ( Colts, Stanford )
1983 07 Todd Blackledge ( Chiefs, Penn State )
1983 14 Jim Kelly ( Bills [Miami (FL) )
1983 15 Tony Eason ( Patriots [Illinois )
1983 24 Ken O'Brien ( Jets [California-Davis )
1983 27 Dan Marino ( Dolphins [Pittsburgh )
1982 04 Art Schlichter ( Colts, Ohio State )
1982 05 Jim McMahon ( Bears, Brigham Young )
1981 00 Dave Wilson ( Saints, Illinois ) *NFL Supplemental Draft
1981 06 Rich Campbell ( Packers, California )
1980 15 Marc Wilson ( Raiders [Brigham Young )
1980 28 Mark Malone ( Steelers [Arizona State )
1979 03 Jack Thompson ( Bengals, Washington State )
1979 07 Phil Simms ( Giants, Morehead State )
1979 23 Steve Fuller ( Chiefs [Clemson )
1978 17 Doug Williams ( Buccaneers [Grambling State )
1977 19 Steve Pisarkiewicz ( Cardinals [Missouri )
1977 27 Tommy Kramer ( Vikings [Rice )
1976 06 Richard Todd ( Jets, Alabama )
1975 01 Steve Bartkowski ( Falcons, California )
1973 02 Bert Jones ( Colts, Louisiana State )
1972 11 Jerry Tagge ( Packers [Nebraska )
1972 14 John Reaves ( Eagles [Florida )
1971 01 Jim Plunkett ( Patriots, Stanford )
1971 02 Archie Manning ( Saints, Mississippi )
1971 03 Dan Pastorini ( Oilers, Santa Clara )
1970 01 Terry Bradshaw ( Steelers, Louisiana Tech )
1970 03 Mike Phipps ( Browns, Purdue )
1969 05 Greg Cook ( Bengals, Cincinnati )
1969 09 Marty Domres ( Chargers, Columbia )
1968 11 Greg Landry ( Lions [Massachusetts )
1968 25 Eldridge Dickey ( Raiders [Tennessee State )
1967 03 Steve Spurrier ( 49ers, Florida )
1967 04 Bob Griese ( Dolphins, Purdue )
1967 25 Don Horn ( Packers [San Diego State )
1966 16 Randy Johnson ( Falcons [Texas A&I )
1965 01 Joe Namath ( Jets, Alabama )
1965 05 Craig Morton ( Cowboys, California )
1965 12 Joe Namath ( Cardinals [Alabama )
1964 05 Pete Beathard ( Lions, USC )
1964 07 Bill Munson ( Rams, Utah State )
1963 01 Terry Baker ( Rams, Oregon State )
1962 01 Roman Gabriel ( Raiders, North Carolina State )
1962 02 Roman Gabriel ( Rams, North Carolina State )
1962 10 John Hadl ( Lions [Kansas )
1961 02 Norm Snead ( Commanders, Wake Forest )
1960 02 George Izo ( Cardinals, Notre Dame )
1960 04 Richie Lucas ( Commanders, Penn State )
1959 01 Randy Duncan ( Packers, Iowa )
1959 04 Don Allard ( Commanders, Boston College )
1959 05 Dave Baker ( 49ers, Oklahoma )
1959 10 Lee Grosscup ( Giants [Utah )
1958 01 King Hill ( Cardinals, Rice )
1957 03 John Brodie ( 49ers, Stanford )
1957 05 Len Dawson ( Steelers, Purdue )
1956 01 Gary Glick ( Steelers, Colorado State )
1956 02 Earl Morrall ( 49ers, Michigan State )
1955 01 George Shaw ( Colts, Oregon )
1955 04 Ralph Guglielmi ( Commanders, Notre Dame )
1954 01 Bobby Garrett ( Browns, Stanford )
1954 02 Lamar McHan ( Cardinals, Arkansas )
1954 05 Cotton Davidson ( Colts, Baylor )
1953 05 Ted Marchibroda ( Steelers, Detroit )
1952 01 Billy Wade ( Rams, Vanderbilt )
1952 04 Vito (Babe) Parilli ( Packers, Kentucky )
1952 12 Harry Agganis ( Browns [Boston University )
1951 02 Bob Williams ( Bears, Notre Dame )
1951 03 Y.A. Tittle ( 49ers, Louisiana State )
1950 02 Adrian Burk ( Colts, Baylor )
1949 02 Johnny Rauch ( Lions, Georgia )
1949 05 Stan Heath ( Packers, Nevada )
1949 09 Frank Tripucka ( Eagles, Notre Dame )
1948 01 Harry Gilmer ( Commanders, Alabama )
1948 03 Bobby Layne ( Bears, Texas )
1948 06 Y.A. Tittle ( Lions, Louisiana State )
1946 01 Frank (Boley) Dancewicz ( Yanks, Notre Dame )
1946 04 Johnny Lujack ( Bears, Notre Dame )
1945 08 Jim Hardy ( Commanders, USC )
1944 01 Angelo Bertelli ( Yanks, Notre Dame )
1944 04 Otto Graham ( Lions, Northwestern )
1942 10 Frankie Albert ( Bears [Stanford )
1939 02 Sid Luckman ( Bears, Columbia )
1939 04 Davey O'Brien ( Eagles, Texas Christian )
1937 06 Sammy Baugh ( Commanders, Texas Christian )



This post will hopefully serve as a reference to reduce any form of "good" or "bad" quarterback nitpicking,

Rockport said:

Dwayne Haskins, Ryan Leaf, Jamarcus Russell, Akili Smith, Heath Shuler, Carson Wentz, Tim Tebow, Teddy Bridgewater, Jameius Winston, Paxton Lynch, Jarod Goff, Marcus Mariota, Johnny Manziel, EJ Manuel, Robert Griffey, Ryan Tannehill, Brandon Weedon, Cam Newton and on and on and on and on......

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Is that Ken Griffey's kid?

gjkoeppen said:

You have that so wrong. The Cowboys didn't have a 1st round pick in 1990 because of taking Steve Walsh in the 1st round of the supplemental draft in 1989 so they used the pick they got from the vikings in the Walker trade to trade up to the steelers 17th pick. So yes, the Walker trade got Emmitt. Even at that, if it was left to Jimmy Johnson, Emmitt wouldn't have been a Cowboy. Johnson wanted to draft LB James Francis but about 1 minute after the trade with the steelers was completed, the bengals drafted Francis so Johnson was going to take LB Tony Bennett but Jones said no to that and that they would take Emmitt. The ironic thing was that was the second draft in a row that Jones over ruled Johnson on their first pick. In 1989 Jonhson want to take Tony Mandarich but Jones said Aikman. In both cases the packers picked right after the Cowboys and took both players Johnson wanted. Mandarich was a bust and Bennett was an average LB. Johnson didn't want Aikman or Emmitt because they both turned him down and not going to Miami.

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Jimmy DID want AIkman. He'll even tell the story himself. He wanted Aikman when he coached OK State and Troy chose Oklahoma. When Jimmy went to Miami he wanted Troy when he was transferring but Troy chose UCLA. When Jimmy went to Dallas he told Troy, at draft time, that he wasn't getting away this time. There's interviews everywhere about it.
Not to be argumentative just stating that Jimmy always wanted Troy over Mandarich. He also talks about wanting Francis but got beat to the punch. Never heard about Bennett in any interview.

I would trade this year #1, Zeke, Jaylon and Gallup for the top pick. What do you have to lose? Their Oline isn't getting any better any time soon and Zeke is an average back at this point. You would get rid of two bad contracts. I would regret losing Gallup, but he's due a contract and you can't pay all three receivers.

kskboys said:

So you're saying we should just get rid of our 1st round picks.

So, question: Why are you touting the worthlessness of draft picks due to some not working out?

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No and I’m not just pointing out draft picks aren’t a sure thing and wanting the team to lose to gain a higher pick is fruitless and doesn’t happen in the NFL.

Rockport said:

No and I’m not just pointing out draft picks aren’t a sure thing and wanting the team to lose to gain a higher pick is fruitless and doesn’t happen in the NFL.

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So profound. So genius. So stupid.

CalPolyTechnique said:

So profound. So genius. So stupid.

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Well here’s what TD and #22 think about you.

Bigdog said:

First of all never said I was a Dak hater. I like him but I think Lawrence is better. Second of all a team can get a total of 4 comp picks not 0-3. If we get the 4 we are projected to get in the rounds we are projected to get that would be 1, 2, two 3’s, two 4’s, 5, two 6’s, and two 7’s. That is a total of 11 picks. I bet you wouldn’t even have done the Walker trade because we would be giving away our one true offensive weapon at the time and will be drafting unknowns. Thank God you are not close to the Cowboys because we would probably not win any Super Bowls with your thinking.

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With your thinking there's never been a bust taken even as high as the 1st player taken in the draft, but reality says there has been. Here's what wrong with your last way of thinking. The Cowboys were a bad team and traded their best player Walker for a record setting amount of players and draft capital and you want to now take a bad Cowboys team and instead of getting a boat load of draft capital you want to squander draft capital on a single player that will not leave the Cowboys with high draft picks to address actual real needs like offensive line and several defensive positions and without address the real problems they have that QB that you wasted all those draft picks on won't turn the Cowboys into a winning team and why is that? Because the Cowboys will still have a bad defense and problems along the offensive line. I'll take a QB that has already proven he can play in the NFL over one that has taken zero snaps in the NFL and only has the same people that have proclaimed others as sure fire NFL stars that turned out to be busts.
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Skybox22 said:

Jimmy DID want AIkman. He'll even tell the story himself. He wanted Aikman when he coached OK State and Troy chose Oklahoma. When Jimmy went to Miami he wanted Troy when he was transferring but Troy chose UCLA. When Jimmy went to Dallas he told Troy, at draft time, that he wasn't getting away this time. There's interviews everywhere about it.
Not to be argumentative just stating that Jimmy always wanted Troy over Mandarich. He also talks about wanting Francis but got beat to the punch. Never heard about Bennett in any interview.

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Gee there are interviews and reports that because Aikman turned down Johnson twice that Johnson's plan all along was to use that #1 pick on Tony Mandarich and then take Walsh in the Supplemental draft.but Jones said Aikman will be the pick. Johnson still convinced Jones to take Walsh in the supplemental draft and Jones said they would compete for the job. In their first practice in training camp Walsh's first pass was a pick. In the pregame round table for Super Bowl XLV in Dallas with Aikman, Emmitt, Irvin, Johnston, Jones and Johnson this was discussed. During this round table Emmitt said that if it was left to Johnson he wouldn't have been a Cowboy and then thanked Jones for making him a Cowboy. Also during this round table Johnson finally admitted that hen didn't have all the power and authority those outside of the organization thought he had and that this irked him his entire time in Dallas. This was all said in front of millions of viewers.
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gjkoeppen said:

With your thinking there's never been a bust taken even as high as the 1st player taken in the draft, but reality says there has been. Here's what wrong with your last way of thinking. The Cowboys were a bad team and traded their best player Walker for a record setting amount of players and draft capital and you want to now take a bad Cowboys team and instead of getting a boat load of draft capital you want to squander draft capital on a single player that will not leave the Cowboys with high draft picks to address actual real needs like offensive line and several defensive positions and without address the real problems they have that QB that you wasted all those draft picks on won't turn the Cowboys into a winning team and why is that? Because the Cowboys will still have a bad defense and problems along the offensive line. I'll take a QB that has already proven he can play in the NFL over one that has taken zero snaps in the NFL and only has the same people that have proclaimed others as sure fire NFL stars that turned out to be busts.
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First we might not get a boatload of picks like the Walker trade did for us. I highly doubt a team is going to give us that many picks. Yes there are a lot of first round QB busts but there is also a lot of first round success. I am just saying it is something I would think about. Dak is a good qb and I like him. There is still lot up in the air about him as there is Lawrence. It really is a moot point because the Jags will not give up the 1st pick in the draft anyway.

Any good military man knows that sometimes strategic retreat is best. Lose a battle to win a war.

The goal is a championship.

Shane612 said:

Yeah... just I thought... you know nothing but running your fat mouth.

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Now you hurt my feelings, lout.

Bigdog said:

First we might not get a boatload of picks like the Walker trade did for us. I highly doubt a team is going to give us that many picks. Yes there are a lot of first round QB busts but there is also a lot of first round success. I am just saying it is something I would think about. Dak is a good qb and I like him. There is still lot up in the air about him as there is Lawrence. It really is a moot point because the Jags will not give up the 1st pick in the draft anyway.

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It's funny, not ha ha funny, that only some fans think there is things up in the air or questions about Prescott but the people that actually know, the doctors and trainers don't think so. Whether either the jags or jets are unwilling to give up that pick, it's still total foolishness if they would to waste all that draft capital on an unproven QB when there are SO MANY needs and the Cowboys will need EVERY draft pick they have.
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Go tank yourself, sonny.

This entire conversation is moot. We have zero shot at the top few QBs where we will be drafting.

Really though, it's a poorly disguised hope for those that don't like Prescott. They have zero interest in discussing draft risk and managing it. They want a replacement without any other consideration.

conner01 said:

You are right

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No problem. Just trying to understand.

America's Cowboy said:

Agreed with @Hardline .

As for another poster, this is not about tanking to get access to the overall #1 pick in order to draft Lawrence because that is never going to happen. The point here is that tanking allows the team to secure a higher draft pick (possibly a top spot), thus allowing the team to pick the best top talent available not only in the 1st but each round thereafter. THAT is how this team could best fill in spots of need with the best available talent in each round. If one does not understand that, they simply have an stubborn agenda.

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We can get the top LB in the 7-12 range

So, we’re going to win again because Troy’s coming back??

YESSSS....

dfense said:

I would trade this year #1, Zeke, Jaylon and Gallup for the top pick. What do you have to lose? Their Oline isn't getting any better any time soon and Zeke is an average back at this point. You would get rid of two bad contracts. I would regret losing Gallup, but he's due a contract and you can't pay all three receivers.

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The reasons you want to trade Zeke and Jaylon are also the reasons no team would agree to that trade.