Andy Dalton is the equivalent of Steve Beuerlein

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OmerV said:
By this standard no QB can ever improve, so it's nonsense.

Reality is mechanics can be taught. Understanding the offense can be taught, and improves with experience. Reading defenses can be taught and also improves with experience. There is a lot of growth any QB can achieve aside from just throwing the ball from point A to point B.

Besides, the rumors of Dak's lack of accuracy are greatly exaggerated. Dak may not be the most accurate in the NFL, but when he got hurt he had a 68% completion rate while leading the league in yardage by a long shot, and that couldn't happen if he was as horrible as some make him out to be.
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It’s extremely rare that a QB can improve from college to the pros in pocket accuracy. It’s why the ones who seemingly have it in college are coveted. It’s also why teams prefer a large body of work or multiple years of playing in a college system to make a decision on.
The speed of the game from college to the pros makes it really hard to improve.
I will say that some coordinators are ingenious in using a QBs mobility to mask this deficiency to some success.
 

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PAPPYDOG said:
He's nice and cheap enough for us to get some defense and keep some of our studs instead of losing them like Byron!
Dak is Done and not only in Dallas as his road will be short one warming another team's bench!
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get some pieces from where? what FA were available and we weren't able to sign them and 98% of this board wanted Jones gone...we could have signed jones, but FO decided to move on, for the money we paid McCoy, Poe, Worley, Griffin, none of whom are on the team, we could have signed Jones....

Dak is a top 10 QB....deal with it.
 

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Northern_Cowboy said:
Dalton's price tag will definatley be too high as a backup next year...but not as a starter and that's the rub, i have never said that i think Dalton is a better QB than Dak ( i have said i think he throws a better ball) but overall he is not a better QB than Dak, but i think Dalton wins as many games with our team as Dak can and if that's the case then for the money sign the guy who will save you 10M per season (just an estimate of Dalton's cost vs Dak) and put that saved money to good use elsewhere
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it just depends on back up QB price tags and I assume given the cap situation most teams want to go cheap....and a lot of teams may draft a QB to groom and there aren't that many starting positions that Dalton can come and be a stop gap like fitzpatrick. Dalton's market is shrinking based on his performance this year. wouldn't surprise me for him to take less money and stay in Dallas, since he is from the area.
 

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PAPPYDOG said:
Can't win with Prescott as his talents won't allow for it.
Yes, it's a cap league so you get the idea here.
Add the injury so ya Dalton is the only choice that makes sense.
Now if you want fantasy scenarios and excuses hit up the Dak-Trolls they make Alice in wonderland look like a documentary on Covid.
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13-3, 9-7, 10-6 and the worst season was 8-8 with lame duck coaching staff and a rookie OC...

tell me how we can't win again?

Dalton is 0-5 in the playoffs. 21-32 against teams with a winning record, 1-12 in games that matter and this year has not come close to beating a team that has more than 6 wins...

perhaps you are assuming next year we will play a full schedule with teams that are no more than 6-10, in that case you could have a valid argument.
 

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I think he’s much more.

Beuerlin had an up and coming playoff caliber team at 7-5 that would win back to back Super Bows in 1992 and 1993.

Dalton took over a team spiraling down at 1-3 and after 4 consecutive losses was 2-7. Most of us didn’t think they’d win another game. Instead they’ve won 4 of their last 6 games.

All with a defense that’s averaging giving up 30 points a game. The most in the league. Worth noting is no team in NFL history has ever made the playoffs giving up 30 points a game.

Rarely do we see backup QB’s have success unless they are a Legit starter and or have an Elite defense to carry them.
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lets not make this into a hero's story....Dallas just beat 3 4-11 teams......nothing to brag about and put Dalton on the pedestal...lets not forget dalton's output against average teams was 38-10, 34-17, 27-3, 41-16 with a lot of those point truly coming in garbage time.....if we happen to make it to the playoffs, assuming its tampa, we will get our arses handed to us at home...

and this defense was giving up 36 pts per game earlier in the year...in the past 5 games, 26.4 and they have had 11 turnovers during that time.....however, they played against craapy teams.....
 
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He's nice and cheap enough for us to get some defense and keep some of our studs instead of losing them like Byron!
Dak is Done and not only in Dallas as his road will be short one warming another team's bench!
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He’ll win a ring in New England. Done far from it
 

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But the same could be said for the last 4 years. I've never at any point felt this team led by Dak could win in the playoffs. It's because they never beat good teams it's always scrubs. Last year was terrible and not all games were the defenses fault.
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last year we had a lame duck coaching group...it was really strange....the coaching, and bad decisions cost us at least 3 games....and the saints game the fault was not Dak as he played well and we should have won, but two untimley fumbles and a dropped TD pass in a close game....the coaching against Minn. cost us that game...coaching against the patriots costs us that game (then again bilicheck vs. garrett....seriously), bad coaching cost us the bills game.......and we missed 10 field goals in a 4 game stretch from 40-50 yards out, which heavily contirbuted to bad games....it was a very very strange year, one that I don't ever remember. lame duck coaching staff, expected to go deep in playoffs in the least year of their contracts.....
 

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buybuydandavis said:
Dalton is top 8 for fewest bad throws and most accurate throws. He's a legitimate starting QB. No way anyone can get him next year for 3mil plus incentives.

Right now, I expect he'll be 20+mil.

If you cut him some slack for him and the oline getting up to speed, Dalton is a 106QB rating for 4 December games.

Really look at that oline that he's getting those numbers with. No Martin, Tyron, or Collins.
Knight, Steele, Williams, Looney, McGovern. All but Williams under 55 by PFF.
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Dalton...which Dalton? he is 0-5 in the playoffs. 21-32 against teams with a winnign record. 1-12 when games matter......Dalton sucks. he beat out 3 4-11 teams and you are all here celebrating and putting this loser on a pedestal...why?
 

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it just depends on back up QB price tags and I assume given the cap situation most teams want to go cheap....and a lot of teams may draft a QB to groom and there aren't that many starting positions that Dalton can come and be a stop gap like fitzpatrick. Dalton's market is shrinking based on his performance this year. wouldn't surprise me for him to take less money and stay in Dallas, since he is from the area.
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I hope he stays, and it'll go up some......he knows the system. Was cheap insurance, and did that pay off well. Smartest move Jerry made.
 
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Andy Dalton will not be starting in Dallas next year, not even if Dak is allowed to walk. You heard it here first. He will be a backup QB or allowed to compete somewhere, but he will not be signed and given a starters gig.
 

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Mannix said:
Look at the RAC with Dalton versus Dak....has everything to do with accuracy, and hitting receivers in stride....which Dak does not do. Too much money for him....not worth it....cut bait!!!
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and you are saying this because of your eye test? dalton barely threw for 200 yards the two games before yesterday. Gallup, Cooper, Lamb, abused a rookie UDFA playing his first ever NFL game....now you are saying Dalton RAC is better than Dak...where are the stats to back up your assumption?

just checking Cooper's stats...this year alone....first 5 games, avg 28 YAC, with Dalton 30...and 70 came in this last game.....

similar stats for gallup and CD

and similar stats for gallup and cooper in 2019

you failed your eye test
 
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Dalton...which Dalton? he is 0-5 in the playoffs. 21-32 against teams with a winnign record. 1-12 when games matter......Dalton sucks. he beat out 3 4-11 teams and you are all here celebrating and putting this loser on a pedestal...why?
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Dak's done what to earn his pedestal spot you worship at?
 
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PAPPYDOG said:
Hate, Hate, etc now back to football.....How many QB do you know that have 2 SB rings?
Now back to your world of HATE and anguish and probably misery as the hate runs deep within you!
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A few of them fo have real hate for Dalton,( couldn’t guess why).....which is essential in their real love for Dakota.

Ive never seen a small group of fans so emotional about an identity.
 

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Chuck 54 said:
Andy Dalton will not be starting in Dallas next year, not even if Dak is allowed to walk. You heard it here first. He will be a backup QB or allowed to compete somewhere, but he will not be signed and given a starters gig.
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that's what people said when Dak got injured....Dalton is going to take this offense to new levels, then we sputtered, like nobody's business..

now, we beat 3 4-11 teams, with the help of 9 turnovers, playing against their back up QBs, getting a special teams and defensive score....and people are making predictions!!!!!

Dalton has yet to even be close, competitive or beat a team that's got more than 6 wins......by non competitive I mean getting blown out of water...no chance in the 4th quarter. and miles apart in the last few minutes....hey, he did score a garbage TD against AZ in the last few minutes if you want to hang your hat on that.
 
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It was 1991. A young Troy Aikman is injured in the 12th game of the season and will miss the rest of the reg season. The Cowboys at that time were in the thick of the playoff race and could ill afford losing their starting QB. When Aikman went down , the Cowboys were 7-5, fighting for a wild card spot in the playoffs. It looked somewhat bleak.

BUT...we had an excellent backup QB named Steve Beuerlein, who led the Cowboys to 4 straight wins, clinching a WC playoff spot. Even led them to a wild card playoff win against Chicago in the playoffs. The dream ended in Det though in a divisional round loss.

Believe it or not, at that juncture, some Cowboys fans were calling for Aikman to be traded and Beurlein to be named the starter in ‘92. Jimmy Johnson knew better. Beuerlein was an excellent QB in smaller doses, but not for big doses. The rest of his career, he was what time showed he was. A decent starter, who can win you some games.

Kind of like Andy Dalton.

Hey, I like Andy Dalton and I’m not in any way meaning to disrespect him. And I’m not saying Dak is Troy Aikman But Dalton’s not the future here. He’s a solid mid-level type starter that is going to make some good money next year as the starter for another team. His price tag will be too high for us to keep him as a backup and unless I’m dead wrong (which I very well could be!) I think Dak will be signed to a 4-5 year deal this offseason.

Andy Dalton is the 2020 version of Steve Beuerlein.
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Great example. He can win you some games but don’t get it twisted thinking he is the long term answer.
 
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Bobhaze said:
It was 1991. A young Troy Aikman is injured in the 12th game of the season and will miss the rest of the reg season. The Cowboys at that time were in the thick of the playoff race and could ill afford losing their starting QB. When Aikman went down , the Cowboys were 7-5, fighting for a wild card spot in the playoffs. It looked somewhat bleak.

BUT...we had an excellent backup QB named Steve Beuerlein, who led the Cowboys to 4 straight wins, clinching a WC playoff spot. Even led them to a wild card playoff win against Chicago in the playoffs. The dream ended in Det though in a divisional round loss.

Believe it or not, at that juncture, some Cowboys fans were calling for Aikman to be traded and Beurlein to be named the starter in ‘92. Jimmy Johnson knew better. Beuerlein was an excellent QB in smaller doses, but not for big doses. The rest of his career, he was what time showed he was. A decent starter, who can win you some games.

Kind of like Andy Dalton.

Hey, I like Andy Dalton and I’m not in any way meaning to disrespect him. And I’m not saying Dak is Troy Aikman But Dalton’s not the future here. He’s a solid mid-level type starter that is going to make some good money next year as the starter for another team. His price tag will be too high for us to keep him as a backup and unless I’m dead wrong (which I very well could be!) I think Dak will be signed to a 4-5 year deal this off season.

Andy Dalton is the 2020 version of Steve Beuerlein.
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I understand were you are going. However, Steve Beuerlein won a playoff game and Andy Dalton has never won a playoff game.

The 1991 Dallas Cowboys were much better than the 2020 Arlington Jonesboys in all aspects of football from management to coaches to players on the field.

To me Dalton is more like Rodney Pete was for the Cowboys in 1994.

But Dalton could emerge with a legendary year for the Arlington Jonesboys if they luck up in the playoffs and win a playoff game. However, despite missing the past nine games, Prescott leads the Cowboys in passing yards. But The Arlington Jonesboys are talking about signing Andy Dalton instead of Dak Prescott a franchise QB that has more Pro Bowls, and Playoffs in 5 years than Andy Dalton in 10 years. That is why the best the Arlington Jonesboys will be, no matter what, is 7-9 in 2020.
 
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