Why I don't think Dak is to blame for most of the years

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The Dak-led Cowboys put up 22 points in 12 Zeke-less quarters in 2017. That amounts to less than 2 points a quarter. Before Zeke was suspended, Dak had four INTs returned for a TD. In three games without Zeke, he threw more INTs (5 total) than all of last year.

2017 happened, because teams figured out what Linehan was doing. They took away the Beasley routes that he provided to Dak, by doubling him.

This idea he wasn’t the problem since he got here is completely absurd.
 
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Cmac said:
operative phrase...."for years"....still got paid.
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I don't care what he got paid. He blew some games. Some games he got hung out to dry with crappy coaching and defense. Give it up.

"he got paid". blah blah blah.. He still got blamed, and got blamed for crap not even on him.
 
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Hook'em#11 said:
I don't care what he got paid. He blew some games. Some games he got hung out to dry with crappy coaching and defense. Give it up.

"he got paid". blah blah blah.. He still got blamed, and got blamed for crap not even on him.
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Calm down....you're making my point. Seems to be the same scenario to me. Thanks. I liked TRomo, believe it or not. Just sayin', and wondering why the narrative is always changing to dismiss some truth....generally or specific.
 
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Yobwocs said:
Chaz Green is so horrible a downgrade from Tyron that you gotta cut some slack to a 2nd year Quarterback getting murdered behind that bum Green.
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Yea Chaz Green was horrible. But how much of Dak getting absolutely murdered in the backfield was him holding the ball for too long? At some point you have to recognize that your O-Line is hurt and you need to do your part to bail them out. Dak still hasn't learned the art of getting the ball out quicker. Still holds the ball too long and still fumbles. Heck at this point I will even take him just tossing the ball away instead of taking those god awful sacks and fumbling the ball.
 
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Yobwocs said:
Keep in mind, I said MOST, not ALL. He is to blame for some of the games, but I don't think he's the main problem for the majority.


2016 - Most agree he had a great year.

2017 - I think that year was exaggerated to be terrible, but it wasn't as horrible as people make it out to be. Forgotten were the games vs the Rams and the Packers. We scored 30 points in both games but still lost. If we won those, we'd be 11-5 and make the playoffs. Sure Dak wasn't perfect that year and there were some ugly lows but if we look past the optics, we were 2 should've-won games away from 11-5. Not to mention he was without Tyron Smith in that 3 game stretch, and Chaz Green is so horrible a downgrade from Tyron that you gotta cut some slack to a 2nd year Quarterback getting murdered behind that bum Green.

2018 - We started the year with a league's bottom 3 receiving group, and we greatly struggled on offense at the beginning of the year. Gallup was a rookie, he's not the same guy he is now and yet still our best receiver until we added Cooper, and Dak goes on a 7-1 run to end the year. It's not like we got a major upgrade at the receiver spot, we added only one good receiver but still middle-of-the-pack overall compared to the rest of the NFL, yet Dak was still able to go 7-2 with just a slight upgrade in weaponry. Give Peyton Manning the variation of Beasley, Hurns, Austin, and a pretty much washed up Terrence Williams instead of Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, and Dallas Clark and..... you'll instantly see the difference.

2019 - Ok I'll admit a lot of that year was his fault. No idea how he was so flat against the Bills, the Saints, the Bears, and the Eagles. But... still just one year.

2020 - We would've been in the playoffs already if Dak played the whole year. Instead we have to closely scoreboard-watch Washington against the Eagles next week. Dak doesn't generally lose to below .500 teams - I highly doubt he would go 0-2 against Washington, and based on those 2 games we would've been in the playoffs already.
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Dak was/is a Garrett disciple and was coddled by Garrett, who was desperate to think Dak would be the player that led the team and Garrett would finally be revered as a good coach.
But Dak is just not a marquee quarterback, and he wasn't going to lead the Cowboys anywhere.
Dak plays well when the team plays well, but when things get tough Dak isn't going to make plays and lead them out of a rough spot.
Dak disappears in games when the pressure is on, and it's only when defenses let up that he pads his stats while playing catch-up to insurmountable leads.
This is the area where Dalton makes a difference-he doesn't disappear, but makes opposing defenses work through the entire game, and the end result is that the Cowboys are winning.
 
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If other people outperformed their contract the way Dak outperformed his contract the first 4 years, the team would have been unstoppable and instead of being overwhelmingly happy as a fanbase we had the best value player in the league, he was hated on by a large portion primarily because he wasn't Romo.
 

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2020 and he would have us in the playoffs. lmao, he was lucky to have won one on a lucky watermelon kick. the second credited win he didn't even finish the game. but he would have us in the playoff. okay.
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I don't know. I think it is a team game, and there are many other areas of the team that are not carrying their weight.
 
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Yobwocs said:
Keep in mind, I said MOST, not ALL. He is to blame for some of the games, but I don't think he's the main problem for the majority.


2016 - Most agree he had a great year.

2017 - I think that year was exaggerated to be terrible, but it wasn't as horrible as people make it out to be. Forgotten were the games vs the Rams and the Packers. We scored 30 points in both games but still lost. If we won those, we'd be 11-5 and make the playoffs. Sure Dak wasn't perfect that year and there were some ugly lows but if we look past the optics, we were 2 should've-won games away from 11-5. Not to mention he was without Tyron Smith in that 3 game stretch, and Chaz Green is so horrible a downgrade from Tyron that you gotta cut some slack to a 2nd year Quarterback getting murdered behind that bum Green.

2018 - We started the year with a league's bottom 3 receiving group, and we greatly struggled on offense at the beginning of the year. Gallup was a rookie, he's not the same guy he is now and yet still our best receiver until we added Cooper, and Dak goes on a 7-1 run to end the year. It's not like we got a major upgrade at the receiver spot, we added only one good receiver but still middle-of-the-pack overall compared to the rest of the NFL, yet Dak was still able to go 7-2 with just a slight upgrade in weaponry. Give Peyton Manning the variation of Beasley, Hurns, Austin, and a pretty much washed up Terrence Williams instead of Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, and Dallas Clark and..... you'll instantly see the difference.

2019 - Ok I'll admit a lot of that year was his fault. No idea how he was so flat against the Bills, the Saints, the Bears, and the Eagles. But... still just one year.

2020 - We would've been in the playoffs already if Dak played the whole year. Instead we have to closely scoreboard-watch Washington against the Eagles next week. Dak doesn't generally lose to below .500 teams - I highly doubt he would go 0-2 against Washington, and based on those 2 games we would've been in the playoffs already.
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Dak and Romo get far more than their share of the blame because it's easy. Any fool can do it. That's why we get useless stats like "QB won/loss record", as if nothing else in the game is relevant to winning and losing.

It suggests a limited understanding of football, and/or a message board agenda. :rolleyes:
 
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If just getting to the playoffs is the bar then Dak is your man...
 
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Jake said:
Dak and Romo get far more than their share of the blame because it's easy. Any fool can do it. That's why we get useless stats like "QB won/loss record", as if nothing else in the game is relevant to winning and losing.

It suggests a limited understanding of football, and/or a message board agenda. :rolleyes:
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100% correct.
 
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Yobwocs said:
Keep in mind, I said MOST, not ALL. He is to blame for some of the games, but I don't think he's the main problem for the majority.


2016 - Most agree he had a great year.

2017 - I think that year was exaggerated to be terrible, but it wasn't as horrible as people make it out to be. Forgotten were the games vs the Rams and the Packers. We scored 30 points in both games but still lost. If we won those, we'd be 11-5 and make the playoffs. Sure Dak wasn't perfect that year and there were some ugly lows but if we look past the optics, we were 2 should've-won games away from 11-5. Not to mention he was without Tyron Smith in that 3 game stretch, and Chaz Green is so horrible a downgrade from Tyron that you gotta cut some slack to a 2nd year Quarterback getting murdered behind that bum Green.

2018 - We started the year with a league's bottom 3 receiving group, and we greatly struggled on offense at the beginning of the year. Gallup was a rookie, he's not the same guy he is now and yet still our best receiver until we added Cooper, and Dak goes on a 7-1 run to end the year. It's not like we got a major upgrade at the receiver spot, we added only one good receiver but still middle-of-the-pack overall compared to the rest of the NFL, yet Dak was still able to go 7-2 with just a slight upgrade in weaponry. Give Peyton Manning the variation of Beasley, Hurns, Austin, and a pretty much washed up Terrence Williams instead of Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, and Dallas Clark and..... you'll instantly see the difference.

2019 - Ok I'll admit a lot of that year was his fault. No idea how he was so flat against the Bills, the Saints, the Bears, and the Eagles. But... still just one year.

2020 - We would've been in the playoffs already if Dak played the whole year. Instead we have to closely scoreboard-watch Washington against the Eagles next week. Dak doesn't generally lose to below .500 teams - I highly doubt he would go 0-2 against Washington, and based on those 2 games we would've been in the playoffs already.
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I think he had a good year in 2016. I think he had a great year for a rookie but Elliott and the OL and the Defense helped a lot.

2017, what about the Denver game, what about the Falcons, what about Philly, what about the Chargers, what about Seattle? Those were all pretty bad games for Dak. I mean, it's the entire season, not just a couple of cherry picked games. I agree that the OL wasn't great but that's what you get in the NFL. The really good QBs work around that. I don't hold that against him but I also don't think excuses should be made for him either.

2018 It is what it is, you can say the first three games or whatever but I think you look at the Colts game and that tells the story of 2019. We win that game and the season is different IMO.

2019 Lots of questionable stuff, I agree.

2020 That is all opinion. The truth is that Dak was 1 and 3 in games he started and finished this year. There is nothing, at all, that suggests he would have been better and won more games.

It only makes it harder if excuses are made for him. If he's a great player, then he will show it but great players don't need excuses. They are great because they make it happen. Only makes things worse to me.

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