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acr731 said:
Dak didn't finish the game, Dalton did. The defense lost the 1 point lead Dak had at the time he got hurt and Dalton was able to win the game in the 4th.

So what you are saying is you are giving Dak credit for the win, not Dalton, even though he didn't finish it and wasn't around in the 4th qtr to lead them to the win. Dalton got them 13 points after Dak got hurt, enough for the win.

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Right. It’s simple to understand using s baseball analogy.

Starting pitcher exits the game with the lead. The relief pitcher gives up the lead. The team takes back the lead. Who gets credit for the win? Hint - it’s not the starter.
 
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Swagger said:
In reality he sits just outside the top 10 with the likes of Carr and Cousins which is fine but he isn't a top 5 QB so he shouldn't be given a big contract. If Prescott is paid then that's basically the end of the team for the next 3-4 years.
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Would it be the end of such nonsensical posts?
 

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America's Cowboy said:
Would it be the end of such nonsensical posts?
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What's nonsensical about my post?

Would you put Prescott ahead of Rodgers, Wilson, Mahomes, Josh Allen, Brady or Watson? Jackson isn't the greatest thrower but has sensational ability with his feet that make him a unique QB with game changing x factor ability. That's 7 quarterbacks ahead of Prescott already before even considering the likes of Herbert who looks a fantastic prospect.
 
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Dak doesn’t win games. His QB rating has been BELOW league average when down by four to seven points with four minuted to go, meaning when he needs a TD.

He was carrying on this tradition this year as well.

Thr last two minutes of a half this year, he threw 0
TDs and 3 INTs and a whopping 58.8 completion percentage. In the fourth quarter within seven, his numbers are a whopping 22 catches on 36 attempts 61%, 0 TDs and 1 INT.

Dak stans are delusional thinking their boy would have ‘brought’ them back against the Giants even in the first game. The numbers don’t support Dak. All he does is pad stats when down and folds in the fourth.

Andy kept us in the game with his legs and some nice throws and if it weren’t for Lamb choking on that wide open route, or that stupid empty backfield call in scoring territory, we probably score a TD, though that pass by Andy for the INT was a dumb throw.
 
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JustChip said:
Right. It’s simple to understand using s baseball analogy.

Starting pitcher exits the game with the lead. The relief pitcher gives up the lead. The team takes back the lead. Who gets credit for the win? Hint - it’s not the starter.
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That sounds nice and all but this is football, not baseball. Dak was 2-3 regardless of what you guys want to say and the record shows that on every nfl football site that keeps stats.
 
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aikemirv said:
2-3!translates to 6-9 doesn’t it?- that could mean there is a 40% chance we would be 7-9 and a 60% chance we would be 6-10

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While that's possible do you remember in 2018 when the record was 3-5 and Dak finished 10-6 by going 7-1 over the last 8 games. Or his franchise record 11 straight wins after starting 0-1...... that would have translated to 0-16 right
 
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Irvin88_4life said:
While that's possible do you remember in 2018 when the record was 3-5 and Dak finished 10-6 by going 7-1 over the last 8 games. Or his franchise record 11 straight wins after starting 0-1...... that would have translated to 0-16 right
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You just can’t say Dak wins the division because our defense was much worse when we were scoring Pts I am not sure they make the improvement they did if we were still scoring pts. We have no real character on defense-no leadership-not much talent.
 
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Technically Amari Cooper went 7-1 in 2018, if we attributing wins to players. I mean if Amari kept quiet and didn’t yell at Dak to throw him the ball, because Schwartz was having CBS sit on routes with no safety help over top, we probably would have gone 1-7 the rest of the way.

Dak without Amari was even worse than Quincy Carter.

Dak still couldn’t do Jack squat against zone coverages in 2018, meaning when Cooper was shadowed. Checkdown Charlie threw it over 80 times, had 0 TDs and 1 INT. I mean even Daniel Jones was finding dudes downfield in man coverage when the defensive line got no pressure on him.
 
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America's Cowboy said:
Sorry, brother. Just trying to let you know you are wrong about only crediting Dak with 1 win instead of 2.
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So if I may. You are arguing the 40% win percentage of Dak vs the 25% winning percentage others are saying????

Bwaaahaaaaa. We really have reached the bottom when we are OK with a QB who lead our team to a 2 and 3 record......

So had Dak remained healthy we would be 6-10? Oh I see. Just like how we ended up without him.

I actually think Dak is better than Dalton but not by a huge amount. Dak does somethings better and Dalton does somethings better. Neither would have led us to a winning season.

People better realize that with their historically bad defense they are not going anywhere...... Can they improve their defense if they pay Dak what he wants???? That is the question that should be debated. Because if not, nothing will change....
 
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aikemirv said:
You just can’t say Dak wins the division because our defense was much worse when we were scoring Pts I am not sure they make the improvement they did if we were still scoring pts. We have no real character on defense-no leadership-not much talent.
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Had Dak not gotten hurt he would have won the division. No doubt about it, that's how bad the division was. If one of the other teams would have been decent then maybe you can say he might not. Dak has never had a losing record and at minimal would have been 8-8
 
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Irvin88_4life said:
That sounds nice and all but this is football, not baseball. Dak was 2-3 regardless of what you guys want to say and the record shows that on every nfl football site that keeps stats.
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The team was 2-3 in games Dak started. Regardless of what the stats guys say, that’s not the same as saying Dak was 2-3. Frankly, it would make sense to award a 1/2 win like they do sacks. There’s no guarantee the team wins that game had Dak not been hurt. Remember Minnesota last year?

But the real discussion is whether this team would’ve won the Division had Dak not been hurt. Maybe, but the major problems that limited this team this year were there whether Dak or Andy was the QB.
 
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khiladi said:
Technically Amari Cooper went 7-1 in 2018, if we attributing wins to players. I mean if Amari kept quiet and didn’t yell at Dak to throw him the ball, because Schwartz was having CBS sit on routes with no safety help over top, we probably would have gone 1-7 the rest of the way.

Dak without Amari was even worse than Quincy Carter.
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If that's the case the defense went 6-10 this year.

About changing the play, that was 1 game against philly and the very next week Linehan took Cooper out the gameplan against the Colts.

Cooper is on the team but he couldn't go 7-1 this year since you want to only give him credit
 
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Irvin88_4life said:
If that's the case the defense went 6-10 this year.

About changing the play, that was 1 game against philly and the very next week Linehan took Cooper out the gameplan against the Colts.

Cooper is on the team but he couldn't go 7-1 this year since you want to only give him credit
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And Dak only beat the Falcons this year, on a botched off-side kick. What’s your point?

No, the Colts actually play heavy cover 2 and in typical form, Dak choked and scored zero points, This fact was even drawn attention to before the Colts game. Dak’s numbers went up with man with Cooper, but absolutely blew against cover 2. Any QB worth a grain of salt with that blocking and running game still forcing all that man coverage, particularly on turf, is not having problems finding Amari Cooper open when there is no safety help over top.

I’m not the one giving Dak credit for wins. I said if we are going to give credit for players in 2018, than that clearly belongs to Amari, because Dak sucked on Quincy Carter levels and was a laughing stock. And I don’t want to hear excuses about this Dak-friendly offense, because Dak fired his agent and hired France thinking he’d produce.
 
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JustChip said:
The team was 2-3 in games Dak started. Regardless of what the stats guys say, that’s not the same as saying Dak was 2-3. Frankly, it would make sense to award a 1/2 win like they do sacks. There’s no guarantee the team wins that game had Dak not been hurt. Remember Minnesota last year?

But the real discussion is whether this team would’ve won the Division had Dak not been hurt. Maybe, but the major problems that limited this team this year were there whether Dak or Andy was the QB.
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Dak went down in the redzone and was getting heated up. Dalton didn't get that TD, Zeke did plus Dalton fumbled the snap and almost had to settle for a FG because of a terrible throw to Lamb on 3rd down. Plus Dalton gave up the lead because he threw a pick for easy giant TD. I gave credit for Dalton on that Gallup throw that set up game winning FG but Dalton lost the lead because of a turnover.
 
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Dak ‘heats up’ only to be below league average in QB rating to end games. I guess we are to assume Dak was going to break his tradition of horrible play to end games this year, like his numbers support with his zero TDs and 3 INTs within the last two minutes to close the halves in five games played.
 
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Stargazing said:
We all know it's coming. Jerry is going to say we were one play from winning the NFC East and if Dak didnt get hurt we would have won the division. He has an excuse every year. Every year most young Cowboy fans all fall for it. He will spin this all with the utmost of positivity. Instead of putting these players on notice and coaching staff he just says how great they all are. It's a big reason why this team has been so soft for the past 3 decades. I'm sorry but there is no hope for this organization. We all know in 3 years when McCarthy gets fired Kellen Moore will be the coach for a very long time. It's a perfect fit for Jerry. He can control him. Look either or this team is bit any good and I wish people would wake up, this organization has so so many issues.
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If you owned a team or ran a company you would spin too and you know it.
 
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