Zeke vs Derrick Henry (Final Numbers)

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jterrell said:
Zeke's touches per season:
354 (yards per touch) 5.6
268 (suspn 6 games) 4.7
381 5.0
355 5.0
296 4.4

After his back to back 350+ touch seasons he fell off to 4.4 yards per touch this year. Partially because we had an entire Ol on IR but also almost certainly because of wear and tear.

Henry:
123 5.1
187 4.7
230 5.0
321 5.4
397 5.4

So yes I think it's fair to say it will be interesting to see how Henry looks next year and Zeke as well now that he fell under 300 touches.
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Well I was replying to the fact you were referencing carries and not touches but tough to add in receptions to adjust Zeke's yards per touch given Henry is not much of a receiving running back. I was basing my stats solely on carries and not touches....but when you factor in touches than it becomes even more obvious that Jerry should have never given Zeke a contract extension with 2 years remaining in his rookie deal.
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Zeke's touches per season:
354 (yards per touch) 5.6
268 (suspn 6 games) 4.7
381 5.0
355 5.0
296 4.4

After his back to back 350+ touch seasons he fell off to 4.4 yards per touch this year. Partially because we had an entire Ol on IR but also almost certainly because of wear and tear.

Henry:
123 5.1
187 4.7
230 5.0
321 5.4
397 5.4

So yes I think it's fair to say it will be interesting to see how Henry looks next year and Zeke as well now that he fell under 300 touches.
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jterrell said:
Zeke's touches per season:
354 (yards per touch) 5.6
268 (suspn 6 games) 4.7
381 5.0
355 5.0
296 4.4

After his back to back 350+ touch seasons he fell off to 4.4 yards per touch this year. Partially because we had an entire Ol on IR but also almost certainly because of wear and tear.

Henry:
123 5.1
187 4.7
230 5.0
321 5.4
397 5.4

So yes I think it's fair to say it will be interesting to see how Henry looks next year and Zeke as well now that he fell under 300 touches.
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One thing to consider also is that the Titans did not suffer the loss of their starting center and right tackle for the entire season, and the loss of their left tackle for all but 2 games. People say Zeke was only good because of the great o-line he had his first 4 years. If Henry's so good, why did he not have the monster year in 2018? I note the Titans' have 3 o-line starters that have between 9 and 11 years experience, that is a big help to any back...
 

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The Zeke butt kissers are all over the FAN this morning. He does not show up in a big game once again and they have the nerve to praise him for how hard he played. 90 million down the drain. The media kills Jaylon for swiping and being a positive dude but love a jerk like Zeke who plays just as bad. I will never understand people.
 
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USArmyVet said:
Zeke has actually seen his total rushing yards and yards per carry decline since his rookie season:

2016: 1,631 Yards 5.1 YPC

2017: 983 Yards 4.1 YPC (he was suspended 6 games this season and was averaging 24.2 carries per game so adjusted he would be at 1,573 Yards)

2018: 1,434 Yards 4.7 YPC

2019: 1,357 Yards 4.5 YPC

2020: 979 Yards 4.0 YPC


While Zeke was putting up the yards in his first few years my point is that while Henry is consistently improving his yards rushing and yards per carry Zeke is actually declining. You can point to whatever you want in terms of o-line injuries, etc. but the o-line only truly suffered a major injury bug collapse this season but Zeke has been declining prior to this season.
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Emmitt declined also after 1995, when the line began to lose people like Stepnoski and Gogan. A good line is a big help to any running back, even one as good as Emmitt. Besides, I'll be glad to have a declining back that gets 1,357 yards, which by the way was only 11 yards a game less than Henry that year. It's not whether or not Zeke can keep putting up 1,600 yard seasons, it's whether or not he's producing for the position. This year not so much, but he's too young (and too well paid if you want to include that) to take a chance on some other back, imho at this point.
 
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Zeke has the same problem that Dak has, he peaked his rookie year and he's just a shell of his former self. It is beyond time to move away from Zeke, the guy is plodding, has zero breakaway potential, and there isn't a defense in the league that is worried about him. He's basically the RB equivalent of Jason Witten, I loved the guy, but he was a catch the ball and fall down type, nobody is afraid of that in a league of Darren Waller's and Christian McCaffery's.
 
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aria said:
Who was demanding zeke gets paid that ridiculous salary?

Some of us hate guys that sit out with two years left on their contract, demand to be paid the highest for their position and then play below average for their position.
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Just google the old threads. There’s people on both sides of the aisle, and I even remember a BTB article defending the terms in contract.
 
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baltcowboy said:
The Zeke butt kissers are all over the FAN this morning. He does not show up in a big game once again and they have the nerve to praise him for how hard he played. 90 million down the drain. The media kills Jaylon for swiping and being a positive dude but love a jerk like Zeke who plays just as bad. I will never understand people.
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So you think a player like Jaylon who celebrates a tackle, etc. while in the throes of a 6-10 season is better than a player who plays hard? And just how is Zeke a jerk? For holding out? You might recall Emmitt did also, the fact that Zeke recognized that his position has a short shelf life and got his money accordingly is bad? If it was so bad Jerry didn't have to pay it, your anger is directed at the wrong person...
 
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Aviano90 said:
Henry is getting better. Zeke is getting worse.
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Henry will be the 1st RB in NFL history to have back to back 2000+ yard seasons after the 2021 season...only thing that can stop him would be an injury. Coming out of college i thought Zeke would be the better back...i was wrong...Zeke is good but Henry is better and stronger
 
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LACowboysFan1 said:
So you think a player like Jaylon who celebrates a tackle, etc. while in the throes of a 6-10 season is better than a player who plays hard? And just how is Zeke a jerk? For holding out? You might recall Emmitt did also, the fact that Zeke recognized that his position has a short shelf life and got his money accordingly is bad? If it was so bad Jerry didn't have to pay it, your anger is directed at the wrong person...
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Emmitt won a Super Bowl, did he not? Has ANY player in the history of the NFL ever held out with 2 years left on their contract? He held the entire team hostage and while his teammates were getting ready and playing pre season games zeke was making a spectacle of everything by flying back and forth to Cabo.

Lol, zeke plays hard? Have you ever seen a player take himself out of as many plays as zeke has? I haven’t. How many times did he tap out yesterday? 3-4 at least. That’s some amateurs bush league crap, he’s a professional football player and gets winded after a 10 yard run.
 
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Zeke is just another horrendous contract that the Cowboys can’t get out of now. Another great move by the great GM. We all know the Cowboys won’t win a thing until Jerry is gone.
 
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LACowboysFan1 said:
You don't think teams key on Zeke?

:laugh:
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They don’t, not near as much as his fan boys think. Did you know teams have stacked the box less and less against him since his rookie year and last year there were ~26 other RB’s that faced more stacked boxes then zeke did? Some of you guys need to stop living in 2016.
 
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aria said:
Emmitt won a Super Bowl, did he not? Has ANY player in the history of the NFL ever held out with 2 years left on their contract? He held the entire team hostage and while his teammates were getting ready and playing pre season games zeke was making a spectacle of everything by flying back and forth to Cabo.

Lol, zeke plays hard? Have you ever seen a player take himself out of as many plays as zeke has? I haven’t. How many times did he tap out yesterday? 3-4 at least. That’s some amateurs bush league crap, he’s a professional football player and gets winded after a 10 yard run.
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If you don't think Zeke plays hard you aren't watching the games. Taking himself out is fine if it makes him more productive. And you obviously missed the fact that he was playing with hamstring and calf injuries, MOST running backs would have sat the entire game.

If you think it's so easy I'm sure the Cowboys would give you a tryout...
 
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Skip with the "Zeke quit" rating spill....already? Skip is funny and whiny.....laughable.
 
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aria said:
They don’t, not near as much as his fan boys think. Did you know teams have stacked the box less and less against him since his rookie year and last year there were ~26 other RB’s that faced more stacked boxes then zeke did? Some of you guys need to stop living in 2016.
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I made a point to re-watch the Eagles game, focusing solely on Zeke's runs. In nearly every case, as soon as it was clear where he was running to 2 and often 3 linebackers or safeties or cornerbacks headed straight to that area. Barry Sanders, MAYBE, could get decent yards having to "handle" 3 or 4 or 5 defenders. But even that's doubful, and how many SBs did Barry carry his team to? ZERO, same as Zeke (so far).

Try watching the games....
 
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LACowboysFan1 said:
If you don't think Zeke plays hard you aren't watching the games. Taking himself out is fine if it makes him more productive. And you obviously missed the fact that he was playing with hamstring and calf injuries, MOST running backs would have sat the entire game.

If you think it's so easy I'm sure the Cowboys would give you a tryout...
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Lol, ok. Barkley played the majority of last year with a high ankle sprain, that’s impressive.

Hahahahaha...more productive? You mean topping his awesome 3 ypc during yesterday’s game? I’m not sure I’ve ever seen a player take himself out of a game due to a non injury and I certainly haven’t seen a player take himself out as much as he has. Trying to justify taking himself out because he’s trying hard is an insult to every other professional athlete who busts their butts and stay in the game.
 
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aria said:
Lol, ok. Barkley played the majority of last year with a high ankle sprain, that’s impressive.

Hahahahaha...more productive? You mean topping his awesome 3 ypc during yesterday’s game? I’m not sure I’ve ever seen a player take himself out of a game due to a non injury and I certainly haven’t seen a player take himself out as much as he has. Trying to justify taking himself out because he’s trying hard is an insult to every other professional athlete who busts their butts and stay in the game.
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Non injury? So you know he didn't have a physical problem that prevented him from playing at top form, eh?

No, you don't know. If you do, please enlighten us....
 
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LACowboysFan1 said:
I made a point to re-watch the Eagles game, focusing solely on Zeke's runs. In nearly every case, as soon as it was clear where he was running to 2 and often 3 linebackers or safeties or cornerbacks headed straight to that area. Barry Sanders, MAYBE, could get decent yards having to "handle" 3 or 4 or 5 defenders. But even that's doubful, and how many SBs did Barry carry his team to? ZERO, same as Zeke (so far).

Try watching the games....
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Do you ever not have an excuse for zeke? How did Barkley manage to do so well his rookie year behind one of the worst lines in the league?

It’s literally an excuse for everything. Unless he has 5 ft wide holes, he gets some sort of excuse. Speaking of watching games, maybe you should try watching other teams play. Do you think Wayne Gallman had a lot of room to run? Somehow he managed 5.9 ypc yesterday but the overpaid diva barely got half that.
 

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aria said:
zeke did tap out of several plays, I’ve never seen any player for any position take himself out of a game as much as he has.

Did I miss something in zeke’s contract about him needing a top 5-10 O line to be worth what we’re paying him? Most starting RB’s would have put up similar numbers or better if they had the same O line zeke has had 4 out of 5 years in his career. Why is he being paying to be a difference maker if he’s completely reliant on the O line?

I like how people now bash JG for the way he used zeke but 1) had he not used zeke as much as he did then zeke wouldn’t have all those worthless fancy rushing titles that his fans like to brag about and 2) his fans used to use his durability as a strength, a reason why he was so great but now it’s the coaches fault he’s breaking down?
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"Most starting RBs would have put up similiar numbers or better if they had the same O line zeke has"

WoW...have we not learned that when we put someone else besides Emmit behind that vaunted OL?

WoW...have we not learned that when we put someone else besides DeMarco Murray behind that vaunted OL? Remember Joseph Randle...and he was going to be the replacement of DeMarco Murray at a fraction of the cost?

Zeke was used to be an extra OL to pick pick up the blitz and was the best at it. In addition to catching the ball out the backfield on 3rd down. In addition to running it on 1st and 2nd down. We beat him up and he is a shell of himself.

Joe Gibbs in is 2nd stint with the Commanders spent draft picks and a ton of money on Clinton Portis to try to replicate John Riggins. He was very good in the beginning. But he got beat up over time being miscast as John Riggins and became a shell of himself. Does not mean Portis was not a quality back...just means Gibbs...trying to replicate 80s football....much like Garrett trying to replicate 90s football....could not adjust to todays NFL
 

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USArmyVet said:
Zeke carries by year:

2016: 322
2017: 242
2018: 304
2019: 301
2020: 244

Zeke was given a contract extension just before the 2019 season so show me where Zeke was going to get the ball 450 times given his carries have never exceeded that of his rookie season and in fact if you look his carries have not gone up because Dak's pass attempts have dramatically gone up so no clue as to your assertion.

As for Zeke not 'tapping out' and using other players injuries:

Frederick retired due to an auto-immune disease that impacts his nervous system
Smith was lost for the season due to a neck injury and need for neck surgery
Collins was lost for the season due to a hip injury and need for hip surgery
Martin was lost for the season due to a calf injury

So again no clue as to your comparison assertion of Zeke to them given all Zeke dealt with was a sore hamstring which the medical staff apparently felt was not a major injury. That said, Zeke actually did sit out the 3rd to last game of the season.
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A RB wear and tear is BIGGER than just carries. There is blitz pick and catching the ball out of the backfield. There are short yardage carries and traditional carries. There are goal line carries. Zeke was ALL of it for Dallas.
 
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