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mardwin

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What are the odds of Dalton even remaining with the Cowboys if they get a deal done with Dak? Seems like Dalton is open to going elsewhere to try and get a starting job.



Why be a backup when he can prove he can win behind a talentless o-line?
 

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Is he? I mean, he has more talent at this stage of each players career but, there is more to being a good QB then just physical skills. Dak has to develop into a good Pro QB who understands the entire game in every situation. He's not there yet IMO.

Well..

Here is my problem with Dalton..

He was slow at making decisions. Now you could say that he didn't have an offseason and didn't know the offense well enough but I saw a veteran than needs to be quicker in his reads and know all of his option and check downs.

I was very disappointed with him in that aspect. Especially for a 33 year old QB.

Plus.. I like mobile QB's.. I think once Dak loses his mobility then he is a complete waste to have as a player but right now he still has it. He's not the most mobile but he's mobile enough.

I think you're just splitting hairs really. I also thought Dalton would look better as a passer than what he did and I just didn't see it. Even Jimmy Johnson thought the same but it just never happened imo.
 

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What are the odds of Dalton even remaining with the Cowboys if they get a deal done with Dak? Seems like Dalton is open to going elsewhere to try and get a starting job.








Dalton may want a chance to start but do really think a team is going to sign Dalton as the starter after having a single good game against a 4 win team and then follow that up with a bad game against a 6 win team?
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So do tell me.. What did those stats bring in terms of the result for the team?

Not your fantasy football team.. Real football please.

What do team results have to do with player evaluation?

If its team success you want proof of, there has been plenty of that under Dak.

Are you saying the team around the QB doenst matter? Wait..............didnt you just say you wanted Dalton because he would allow you to build a better team around the QB?

Wait...............so you think the team around the QB is more important than the QB?

You get so twisted up in your own BS that you cant keep up with it.
 

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Is he? I mean, he has more talent at this stage of each players career but, there is more to being a good QB then just physical skills. Dak has to develop into a good Pro QB who understands the entire game in every situation. He's not there yet IMO.

Maybe in one way the foot injury will help Dak - he may not have the same ability or desire to run so much, or the coaches will tell him to severely limit his running, and he'll have to work more on his pocket passing, especially his accuracy, which no question needs work...
 

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Well..

Here is my problem with Dalton..

He was slow at making decisions. Now you could say that he didn't have an offseason and didn't know the offense well enough but I saw a veteran than needs to be quicker in his reads and know all of his option and check downs.

I was very disappointed with him in that aspect. Especially for a 33 year old QB.

Plus.. I like mobile QB's.. I think once Dak loses his mobility then he is a complete waste to have as a player but right now he still has it. He's not the most mobile but he's mobile enough.

I think you're just splitting hairs really. I also thought Dalton would look better as a passer than what he did and I just didn't see it. Even Jimmy Johnson thought the same but it just never happened imo.

Stop talking about QB's. Your the fool that thought Beatherd and Kaaya were better prospects than Mahomes. Your the clown that thought Dalton was better than Dak.
 

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What do team results have to do with player evaluation?

If its team success you want proof of, there has been plenty of that under Dak.

Are you saying the team around the QB doenst matter? Wait..............didnt you just say you wanted Dalton because he would allow you to build a better team around the QB?

Wait...............so you think the team around the QB is more important than the QB?

You get so twisted up in your own BS that you cant keep up with it.


Lolllll I love it.

My argument all along is about getting better team results and you guys want to pay Dak while also crying about the team around him.

Don’t worry.. Jerry will do it your way.
 

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I can't abide by the Dalton truthers. The guy is not good.

I agree with that, but...

Taking horrible sacks, throwing ducks left and right. He should have had 3 ints that first half.

Dak does all of this as well and seems to get every excuse in the book, which to me is just mind boggling. There were games early this season where Dak got lucky with multiple dropped ints, but everyone just seems to wave that off. He also takes bad sacks when he held the ball too long, he sails passes over receivers, throws in the dirt at the their feet, or throws behind them. But for some reason, he's the greatest thing since sliced bread around here.
 

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Well..

Here is my problem with Dalton..

He was slow at making decisions. Now you could say that he didn't have an offseason and didn't know the offense well enough but I saw a veteran than needs to be quicker in his reads and know all of his option and check downs.

I was very disappointed with him in that aspect. Especially for a 33 year old QB.

Plus.. I like mobile QB's.. I think once Dak loses his mobility then he is a complete waste to have as a player but right now he still has it. He's not the most mobile but he's mobile enough.

I think you're just splitting hairs really. I also thought Dalton would look better as a passer than what he did and I just didn't see it. Even Jimmy Johnson thought the same but it just never happened imo.

Yeah, I kind of don't agree on most of this, to be honest Catch. What's the worst thing you can do if you are a QB? You can't throw the ball away but the problem is that you can't expect any QB to come in and be on the same page with your WRs if you haven't had time to actually work with them, which was the problem with Dalton IMO. I mean, it is what it is. Dalton is not going to just throw it up and you can't really develop that trust in a couple of games so I think that's a big contributing factor there. However, Dalton is not a top QB in the NFL and he never has been IMO. But, he is a starting QB in the NFL and there is not a lot of difference in results between he and Dak at this point. So it's simple, you can give up a contract you really can't afford or you can go cheaper and develop a young guy.
 

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Ask the NFL why Mahomes didn't go #1 if you don't want to listen to me.

Maybe they learned from it like I did and that is why I was a little ahead of them when I said Josh Allen was the #1 QB in his class and Herbert was the most talented guy in his class.

NFL changed.. I took notice.

Im asking you why you thought Beatherd and Kaaya were better than Mahomes. Is it because your so good at the QB thing? :muttley:
 

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Why be a backup when he can prove he can win behind a talentless o-line?

The OLine is at fault for some of the bad throws that Dalton made? And Dak supporters are accused of always being bias and making excuses for him.
 

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Maybe in one way the foot injury will help Dak - he may not have the same ability or desire to run so much, or the coaches will tell him to severely limit his running, and he'll have to work more on his pocket passing, especially his accuracy, which no question needs work...

I don't see how that can help, to be honest. Dak isn't a great passer. He's just OK. He needs to be able to use his legs and break the pocket to be effective. You take that mobility away from him and he's probably done in the NFL.
 

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Is he? I mean, he has more talent at this stage of each players career but, there is more to being a good QB then just physical skills. Dak has to develop into a good Pro QB who understands the entire game in every situation. He's not there yet IMO.




Let me see who's assessment will I believe, the one from a HOF QB with 3 rings who really likes Prescott and his game or a fan with zero NFL experience but has a ton of couch experience? I think I'll go with the HOF'er.
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Yeah, I kind of don't agree on most of this, to be honest Catch. What's the worst thing you can do if you are a QB? You can't throw the ball away but the problem is that you can't expect any QB to come in and be on the same page with your WRs if you haven't had time to actually work with them, which was the problem with Dalton IMO. I mean, it is what it is. Dalton is not going to just throw it up and you can't really develop that trust in a couple of games so I think that's a big contributing factor there. However, Dalton is not a top QB in the NFL and he never has been IMO. But, he is a starting QB in the NFL and there is not a lot of difference in results between he and Dak at this point. So it's simple, you can give up a contract you really can't afford or you can go cheaper and develop a young guy.


I vote draft..

Draft the best QB available who can improvise.. Thats where the league is headed.

Zach Wilson fits that. He’ll probably be the 2nd guy taken though.
 

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What are the odds of Dalton even remaining with the Cowboys if they get a deal done with Dak? Seems like Dalton is open to going elsewhere to try and get a starting job.


thats what Cam said he waited and waited and waited and waited and waited opp one team NE gets him last minute pays him chump change and well cam suked hard..

AD might want a nice deal and start again but he may have last minute might as well stay in Big d moment..we shall see..

smart fans and FO around the league can see AD played with Bad OL , defense and hardly any run game because of it..those saying AD suked , are clueless about team ball..he wasnt spectacular but he was solid..
 

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Lolllll I love it.

My argument all along is about getting better team results and you guys want to pay Dak while also crying about the team around him.

Don’t worry.. Jerry will do it your way.

Im just crying about the defense. QB position is all set. Offense is set.

Who was the guy crying that no QB could win with our defense when Dalton put up 10 points in his first blowout loss? That would be you genius.

I know Jerry will do the right thing. And you will continue to cry for cheap, cr@p QB's like Dalton.

Plenty of bad QB's out there you can get for cheap. Really, just wait until after FA and you can get some really inexpensive one.

Just think of the team you can build around that sh!t QB with that extra 30 million!!! :lmao::lmao::lmao2::lmao2:
 

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The OLine is at fault for some of the bad throws that Dalton made? And Dak supporters are accused of always being bias and making excuses for him.
happy feet happen to all qbs with bad OL against a above average Dl, he heard footsteps felt he had no chance not even 2 secs even though sometimes he might have..ive seen dak play the exact same way when the rush was relentless..
 

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I don't see how that can help, to be honest. Dak isn't a great passer. He's just OK. He needs to be able to use his legs and break the pocket to be effective. You take that mobility away from him and he's probably done in the NFL.




Quick question for you. Just which crystal ball or magic eight ball told you that Prescott won't be the same Prescott anymore? So every RB or receiver who's had a ACL never again was any good? If you could just clear those things up.
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The OLine is at fault for some of the bad throws that Dalton made? And Dak supporters are accused of always being bias and making excuses for him.

Take the personal out of it. Look at the game numbers, look at the pressures and our 3rd down situations. That tells you all you need to know about why we lost. Yesterdays game was not about the QB. Almost any QB loses that game yesterday because our OL didn't play well. AYPP was 3.8. That's not going to get it done IMO.
 

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happy feet happen to all qbs with bad OL against a above average Dl, he heard footsteps felt he had no chance not even 2 secs even though sometimes he might have..ive seen dak play the exact same way when the rush was relentless..

And when it happened with Dak many said that it was mostly his fault for holding the ball too long. As the sacks that he took where either blamed on him or he was always expected to overcome a poor offensive line performance.
 
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