10 things I think I think freshly eliminated edition

jterrell · Jan 5, 2021

First as always thanks for the interaction. When I do these I expect exactly 0 people to agree with all 10 of my random but very specific thoughts. Some of these things I may not agree with myself in 24 hours.

Various comments across many threads.

I'd prefer to go DT round 1 if it lines up because there may only be two starting grade DT3s in this draft and couple NT. CB seems a legit fit at 10 and I'd probably mock Dallas there if no DT had top 15 value.
When you do those addicting but largely pointless draft simulators it lines up pretty sexy to go:
DT at 10 --say Nixon
CB at 42: Asante Samuels Jr for instance
Safety at R3: I went Trevon Moehrig
LB in R3Como: Charles Snowden
OT in R4: Walker Little
Edge in R4Comp: Shaka Toney
LB in R5: Ventrell Miller (Will)
et al....

FWIW DT is tough because I think they are among the slowest to get grades handed out.
Alim McNeill is the best NT prospect for most and you can steal him R3 on most mock boards but come real draft I think he'll go about 50.

Like others I'd be perfectly fine throwing away the LB corps and starting over. but if you look at what all we need and what all assets we have to use I'm making that a 2 year job and padding my LB depth without making a massive swing on a LB that is a day 1 stud. Fix a lot of the things around them than see what the LB corps looks like IMO. LVE and Jaylon are both probably on 1 year make or break seasons. Not that anyone wants to hear that.

rnr_honeybadger · Jan 5, 2021

gimmesix said:
Isn't that strange? I wonder why that is?

Maybe we can find the first paraplegic linebacker in this years draft. Should be better than Jaylon though since there is always the possibility of tripping over the paraplegic LB

ScipioCowboy · Jan 5, 2021

AsthmaField said:
At this point I’m 100% down with Nixon. I really like the player and it is a position the team needs to fix.

It is early still, so I might change over to another position in Rd 1 (CB) but if it is DT, Nixon is who I like best now.

Fun fact about Nixon: He’s not a crook.

Future · Jan 5, 2021

gimmesix said:
Justin Simmons is the one I think we should go after, but yeah, I can't see the Joneses doing that, either. The worst problem is they won't go for the second or third guy, either, but the cheap guy, which is how we ended up with a player like Dix last offseason.

Dix basically was the third guy last year...You're better off with him and being able to easily get out of it than with Malcolm Jenkins or Von Bell for their price tag.

cheyennes · Jan 5, 2021

The 8 point, agree in Zack and if we have 3 pro bowl OT, pick a OG on second or thirth round.
CB in the first, why? This year DT class is not not deep.
DT or S, in the second
S and OG in the thirth
LB fifth and FA

gimmesix · Jan 5, 2021

Future said:
Dix basically was the third guy last year...You're better off with him and being able to easily get out of it than with Malcolm Jenkins or Von Bell for their price tag.

Dix was brought in to be one of our starting safeties. Because he didn't pan out, we had to start Darian Thompson.

You've got to shop smart in free agency, but you also have to be willing to spend when there's a player worth it. Dallas got burned by a couple of contracts and decided to go cheap and that hasn't worked out well for us at all. I believe in targeting two top-notch talents and going hard after them in order to supplement the draft. If you only try to build through the draft, players either leave in free agency or their careers end before you complete the building process.

Future · Jan 5, 2021

gimmesix said:
Dix was brought in to be one of our starting safeties. Because he didn't pan out, we had to start Darian Thompson.

You've got to shop smart in free agency, but you also have to be willing to spend when there's a player worth it. Dallas got burned by a couple of contracts and decided to go cheap and that hasn't worked out well for us at all. I believe in targeting two top-notch talents and going hard after them in order to supplement the draft. If you only try to build through the draft, players either leave in free agency or their careers end before you complete the building process.

You literally said 3 in the post before...

But the point is that just because a guy is a top-two FA at his position doesn't mean he's going to make your team better. It's not like Von Bell improves the defense.

817Gill · Jan 5, 2021

Kaiser said:
Great thread. IMO its a lock to go CB at 10 because there are a lot of them and we have options at OT even if the team is lying about Tyron and Collins.

Unless Sewell is still on the board somehow, I'd rather go with one of our internal options at OT than start a guy like Jourdan Lewis or Awuzie at CB.

We will definitely have Farley or Surtain on the board and we could even have both. Not to mention if Horn runs well he’d be right there. After round 2 the CB drop off is significant. Take your pick between the best highest rated CB in the draft at 10 and solidify your starting corners with Surtain/Farley/Horn, Diggs, Brown.

Resign Chido or Lewis on a 1 year prove it or a capable vet and you’re golden. Maybe if you double dip in round 4 you can get a young guy you depend on but harder to hit there.

Kaiser · Jan 5, 2021

817Gill said:
We will definitely have Farley or Surtain on the board and we could even have both. Not to mention if Horn runs well he’d be right there. After round 2 the CB drop off is significant. Take your pick between the best highest rated CB in the draft at 10 and solidify your starting corners with Surtain/Farley/Horn, Diggs, Brown.

Resign Chido or Lewis on a 1 year prove it or a capable vet and you’re golden. Maybe if you double dip in round 4 you can get a young guy you depend on but harder to hit there.

Agree, we have miles to go before we really have an idea what the draft board looks like. I think Derion Kendrick will move up the boards but I'm sure it will change a hundred times before draft day.

What do you think of the FS prospects for round 2 and 3?

gimmesix · Jan 5, 2021

Future said:
You literally said 3 in the post before...

But the point is that just because a guy is a top-two FA at his position doesn't mean he's going to make your team better. It's not like Von Bell improves the defense.

Oh, I see that you're saying Dix was the third-best available FA at his position. That's fair; he was considered third or fourth. I'm not advocating that we should have signed one of the other safeties who were available in a weak FA safety class. I'm saying we should be very specific about targeted top-notch players. Ultimately, we were better off not signing Dix. But would we have been better off not signing Dix and re-signing Byron Jones instead or maybe Chris Harris Jr. (then we wouldn't need to find a starting corner this year) or D.J. Readers (then we wouldn't need to find a starting NT this year).

We didn't strengthen the team through FA because we signed players who were flawed enough to sign cheap contracts. That isn't how FA should be used. We need to be targeting one or two of the best players available. Not all of them will fill needs, but some will. I also understand that there are risks (Harris spent most of this season on IR and Reader played in five games before getting hurt), but you still have added someone with the ability not to only hold down a starting spot but to be an actual asset at it.

Dix was not even among the top 100 FAs.

Future · Jan 5, 2021

gimmesix said:
Oh, I see that you're saying Dix was the third-best available FA at his position. That's fair; he was considered third or fourth. I'm not advocating that we should have signed one of the other safeties who were available in a weak FA safety class. I'm saying we should be very specific about targeted top-notch players. .

You don't know that this isn't the approach - it's not like there's dozens of "top-notch" free agents available every year. It's more likely that this is exactly what they do, but they don't get into bidding wars. Griffen was the best passrusher on the market, and they got him.

The only consistently effective FA strategy is to try to fill roles with cheaper - 2nd or 3rd tier - FAs. Big money free agents are a 50/50 proposition and those are the contracts that kill your cap. The probability of a cheaper player hitting the mark is basically the same, but the out is easy for teams if they don't work.

817Gill · Jan 5, 2021

Kaiser said:
Agree, we have miles to go before we really have an idea what the draft board looks like. I think Derion Kendrick will move up the boards but I'm sure it will change a hundred times before draft day.

What do you think of the FS prospects for round 2 and 3?

I always underrated how other teams draft S. I assumed it’s a position that hardly gets touched in round 1 but I looked up the last 6 or so drafts and there’s always a guy or two every first round. Some guys like Derwin James are no brainers but guys like Darnell Savage and Jonathan Abram have been first round guys too.

This year FS is thin and only Moerihg (who I freakin love) is worthy of a top 32 pick. Holland has some love to but I’d have to think he’s a second rounder. Based on recent history, I bank on someone taking Moerihg in the 22-32 range. IF he slides and ends up where we pick in round 2, you have to pull the trigger he’s the real deal. Holland would be good too. If he and Holland are gone, I’m not sure I’m as gung ho about any other FS. So it becomes BPABON (BPA Based On Need, much more accurate). Here’s my list of needs in order:

1.CB (could double dip especially with compensatory)
2.1T DT*
3.FS*
4.LB
5.OT
6. WR (if we don’t resign Wilson or Brown & MM is on record saying he likes taking a WR every draft. Could get a speedster as our WR 4/5 would be a sneaky add to the offensive talent. Imagine a Deonte Harris type guy for PR/KR’s and a some deep shots/screens YAC chances)

*Order could change depending on vet FA additions.

Kaiser · Jan 5, 2021

817Gill said:
This year FS is thin and only Moerihg (who I freakin love) is worthy of a top 32 pick.

Awesome, thanks. I think Dallas used to do more drafting by position but Diggs and Conner Williams will probably the last cases of that. Lamb is the classic BPA.

But this year you have to think they leave the first three rounds with 3 of their 4 picks at CB, S and 1T.

jterrell · Jan 5, 2021

Kaiser said:
Awesome, thanks. I think Dallas used to do more drafting by position but Diggs and Conner Williams will probably the last cases of that. Lamb is the classic BPA.

But this year you have to think they leave the first three rounds with 3 of their 4 picks at CB, S and 1T.

Dallas has generally planned to draft guys that can come in and start day 1 in round 1.
After round 1 they tend to go BPA.
But Round 1 they tend to target guys. This is sometimes good and sometimes is awful.

CeeDee was easily BPA but he also was a walk in starter.

The way they draft is consensus but you gotta tell Jerry how you are using that R1 guy.

I think Dallas targeted Terrell and Chaisson last year but the fall of CeeDee threw them.
So they asked Mike and Kellen and they said heck yes we can use that guy. He replaces Cobb and starts in the slot and he returns kicks.

Then they come back and get the CB in R2.

817Gill · Jan 5, 2021

Kaiser said:
Awesome, thanks. I think Dallas used to do more drafting by position but Diggs and Conner Williams will probably the last cases of that. Lamb is the classic BPA.

But this year you have to think they leave the first three rounds with 3 of their 4 picks at CB, S and 1T.

For sure. That 3rd round compensatory will be either a LB or a OT/OG depending on who they resign between Looney and Erving.

Verdict · Jan 5, 2021

This sounds a LOT like the Taco pick. May not be exactly the same, but one year wonder makes me uneasy.

ChuckA1 · Jan 5, 2021

I will be very disappointed if the Cowboys draft a TE at #10. No freakin way they do this... I think

Kaiser · Jan 5, 2021

817Gill said:
For sure. That 3rd round compensatory will be either a LB or a OT/OG depending on who they resign between Looney and Erving.

I thought it was a lock to go OT early but now I think Steele and Knight played well enough that I think they will draft a developmental OT sometime in the 3rd or later. Then probably resign Erving also.

waving monkey · Jan 5, 2021

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jterrell said:
1. I think I think that I'd rather pick 10th then have put on the head tucked between knees performance the Eagles did week 17.

2. I think I think draft boards are going to change a lot in the next month or two. A guy I really think fits Dallas is Daviyon Nixon, DT Iowa. He's an attacking 3T type guy who was an All-American and the Big 10 D player of the year but came out of no where with only 1 season as a starter. But he had quite a year with 5.5 sacks and 13,.5 tackles for loss as an interior DL. If he tests well he could be rated top 15 and be DT1 on most boards.

3. I think I think Dallas has to rehabilitate some of these guys as you can't replace 50% of your roster ion 1 off-season. Even if there was ample cap space it'd be nearly impossible to turn it all over that quick unless you want to look as lost as this team on defense early in the year.

4. I think I think MM made some head-scratching in game mgmt calls for a SB winning Coach but I know he also at least brought something different and at times that nonsense like smashing watermelons works and beats just clapping.

5. I think I think this draft season should be really good to Dallas. With a heavy allotment of comp picks and picking top 3rd of the rounds you should expect a healthy does of help out of this draft. Given what they did last year picking 6 slots lower and with about 75% as many picks you gotta feel pretty good.

6. I think I think March can't get here quickly enough as so much, from cap totals to who we resign will be up the air and just speculation.

7. I think I think I'd have Dak hobble into a press conference by the end of the week to sign his extension. I want his cap savings versus a full tag price to go shopping.

8. I think I think I'd be willing to pass OT at pick 10 because Zack Martin is probably a better tackle than whomever we could draft there. And the Connors can play OG in tandem if Zack is needed at OT.

9. I think I think I need to draft LB and RB in that 4-5 area because even if they don't start next year they can develop in our systems and save me a lot of money in a couple seasons.

10. I think I think I need to explain to anyone suggesting we draft Kyle Pitts how that whole team 40 burgers stuff worked out in 2020. And just how poor a blocking team you'd field with 3WR and Pitts in a game together.

I think I think I agree with you mostly

Motorola · Jan 5, 2021

jterrell said:
1. I think I think that I'd rather pick 10th then have put on the head tucked between knees performance the Eagles did week 17.

2. I think I think draft boards are going to change a lot in the next month or two. A guy I really think fits Dallas is Daviyon Nixon, DT Iowa. He's an attacking 3T type guy who was an All-American and the Big 10 D player of the year but came out of no where with only 1 season as a starter. But he had quite a year with 5.5 sacks and 13,.5 tackles for loss as an interior DL. If he tests well he could be rated top 15 and be DT1 on most boards.

3. I think I think Dallas has to rehabilitate some of these guys as you can't replace 50% of your roster ion 1 off-season. Even if there was ample cap space it'd be nearly impossible to turn it all over that quick unless you want to look as lost as this team on defense early in the year.

4. I think I think MM made some head-scratching in game mgmt calls for a SB winning Coach but I know he also at least brought something different and at times that nonsense like smashing watermelons works and beats just clapping.

5. I think I think this draft season should be really good to Dallas. With a heavy allotment of comp picks and picking top 3rd of the rounds you should expect a healthy does of help out of this draft. Given what they did last year picking 6 slots lower and with about 75% as many picks you gotta feel pretty good.

6. I think I think March can't get here quickly enough as so much, from cap totals to who we resign will be up the air and just speculation.

7. I think I think I'd have Dak hobble into a press conference by the end of the week to sign his extension. I want his cap savings versus a full tag price to go shopping.

8. I think I think I'd be willing to pass OT at pick 10 because Zack Martin is probably a better tackle than whomever we could draft there. And the Connors can play OG in tandem if Zack is needed at OT.

9. I think I think I need to draft LB and RB in that 4-5 area because even if they don't start next year they can develop in our systems and save me a lot of money in a couple seasons.

10. I think I think I need to explain to anyone suggesting we draft Kyle Pitts how that whole team 40 burgers stuff worked out in 2020. And just how poor a blocking team you'd field with 3WR and Pitts in a game together.

1) Giving up 3 TDs in the 1st half to a Giants team that only scored 2 TDs in the previous 3 games --- the Cowboys effort was far worse than the Eagles
2) 32 team boards, 250 or so draft slots available (7 rounds + compensation allotments)---the spring draft is in a constant state of flux because no pick is set in stone (with the exception of the no. 1 pick most years).
3) No team replaces 50% of their roster in the off-season . Each evaluates their starters and core backups, PS players from the just-completed season, etc.
('Rehabilitate' -!?!)
4) Due to the unprecedented off-season, McCarthty was not going to get cannned after 1 season. But he needs to cease wirh the motivation gimmicks ASAP --and work very hard on his in-game crucial decision-making
5) When it comes to the draft - research each prospect well, and value each pick no matter the team's draft position
6) NFL offseason calender nearly the same every year -- have a staff in place that knows what to do
7) jterrell: A- does not believe Prescott's goof rehab reports
B- is smokin' thinking a contract gets done now. Jones & Jones keep announcing that is the longterm Cowboys QB --but ink hits paper - anything is possible
8) If CB Sustain II or Farley is still on the board -take either on over OT Slater

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