Twitter: Jerry on Dak: Evolving into NFL QB, "Picture Perfect"

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I define elite as the top 10% at what you do. So in the NFL there are 64 starters and backup QBs.. So to be elite you gotta fall in that 6-7 range ..

Mahomes? yes
Rodgers? yes
Brees? not any more
Brady? see Brees
Ruthlessraper? See Brees and Brady
Wilson? Yep
Watson? borderline
Cousins? Puhlease
Carr? Nope
Garrapolo? Nope
Goff? Nope
Wentz? Nope
Ryan? choses too much in the clutch
Stafford? borderline
Rivers? Too many picks
Jackson? took a step back this year
Allen? trending but not quite there yet
Tannehill? Too many games where all he does is handoff
Tribisky? garbage unless he's on a hot streak.. then he fools you.
Danny Dimes? LOL!
Murray, Mayfield, Burrow, Herbert, Lock, and Tagovailoa are all youngsters with an incomplete grade at this point.



Who am I missing? There is certainly no backup in the league that I would rank ahead of Dak so from this list the only ones I definitively rank ahead of Dak are Mahomes, Rodgers and Wilson. I think Watson and he are close and I could even be talked into giving Watson the nod.. I'm not taking Carr, Wentz, Goff, Stafford, or Rivers over Dak. I might be talked into Josh Allen but it's still tight. He's got a really good team around him but he's also playing really good ball. So even if I put Allen and Watson ahead of him that places Dak no worse than 6th or 7th. So whether people like it or not, Dak belongs in that elite company. And with what he was doing before getting hurt he might have vaulted up near the very top this year.. We have to wait till next year to see if he can take that next step..
Lol... "Ruthlessraper". So true and terrible!
Looks like we have pretty much the same eval on current NFL QB's.

I get people saying you keep sifting the silt for gold and I get the people saying we have silver, why throw that away?
And I get people saying you don't pay gold for silver.

So many levels and so many complications when managing a professional football team.



Edit: And I have given you so many propers and likes and engaged in some very nice convos with you and you have never given me one Like.
Our relationship is straining!
 

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I define elite as the top 10% at what you do. So in the NFL there are 64 starters and backup QBs.. So to be elite you gotta fall in that 6-7 range ..

Mahomes? yes
Rodgers? yes
Brees? not any more
Brady? see Brees
Ruthlessraper? See Brees and Brady
Wilson? Yep
Watson? borderline
Cousins? Puhlease
Carr? Nope
Garrapolo? Nope
Goff? Nope
Wentz? Nope
Ryan? choses too much in the clutch
Stafford? borderline
Rivers? Too many picks
Jackson? took a step back this year
Allen? trending but not quite there yet
Tannehill? Too many games where all he does is handoff
Tribisky? garbage unless he's on a hot streak.. then he fools you.
Danny Dimes? LOL!
Murray, Mayfield, Burrow, Herbert, Lock, and Tagovailoa are all youngsters with an incomplete grade at this point.



Who am I missing? There is certainly no backup in the league that I would rank ahead of Dak so from this list the only ones I definitively rank ahead of Dak are Mahomes, Rodgers and Wilson. I think Watson and he are close and I could even be talked into giving Watson the nod.. I'm not taking Carr, Wentz, Goff, Stafford, or Rivers over Dak. I might be talked into Josh Allen but it's still tight. He's got a really good team around him but he's also playing really good ball. So even if I put Allen and Watson ahead of him that places Dak no worse than 6th or 7th. So whether people like it or not, Dak belongs in that elite company. And with what he was doing before getting hurt he might have vaulted up near the very top this year.. We have to wait till next year to see if he can take that next step..
I like this exercise. It's fun to ask those who say "Dak is average" what 10 QBs they'd take over him. Make them put in writing that Matt Ryan or whoever is better. They never do.

It's Mahomes, and then a group of Dak, Wilson, Lamar, Watson, and Rodgers in whatever order you'd like. Either way you spin it, Dak's a top 6 QB.
 

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Wilson! Thank you. I forgot him. You can spare me the for sakes man thing. That's not going to get you anywhere.
But still, my point is there are very few elite QB's out there and that still stands.


And the 27 milly thing? Even that can be manipulated.
I might have missed where the 27 mil number came from, but Amari and Lawrence restructures alone get you over $26m to cover it.
 

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The Dak drama, all over again. Just sign the man and be done with it.
 

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I might have missed where the 27 mil number came from, but Amari and Lawrence restructures alone get you over $26m to cover it.
I think old boy doesn't have a good grasp on the intricacies of the cap and contract manipulation and just spouts at the hip.
It's cool. So many of us are guilty of such transgressions.
 

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Anyone wanting to know the worst things to say while talking contract should ask Jerry & Stephen. They're experts on the subject! :angry:
 
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I gotta say. I like Dak a lot. One of my favorite players.

but damn Jerry’s you’re the GM. You shouldn’t be talking like this during an active negotiation. IMO.

How do I double like this post? Mods?
 

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I like this exercise. It's fun to ask those who say "Dak is average" what 10 QBs they'd take over him. Make them put in writing that Matt Ryan or whoever is better. They never do.

It's Mahomes, and then a group of Dak, Wilson, Lamar, Watson, and Rodgers in whatever order you'd like. Either way you spin it, Dak's a top 6 QB.
Either way you spin it if Mr top six can only do things when down in the fourth he isn't that good. You google stats geeks are the worst. He can be top 6 it don't matter when you need to be top 3. He's not that good. He's in the same area with Kirk Cousins so I guess Cousins is a top 6 QB too? I'm sure you'll hit me with the google felonious stats we know come mainly from being behind in games and rarely from going possession for possession with an opposing QB but spare me. He's Kirk Cousins of the Cowboys.
 

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You do know how contract structure manipulates the cap, right?
They can give a big signing bonus that spreads out to later years when the cap goes back up.


Yup you just guarantee future years and voila you have backloaded the contract. Throw in salaries set up to be able to restructure and you are in a good spot. I understand why 5 years is so important for them. just wish they would have added voidable years to compromise.
 

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Yall do understand that Jerry and Stephen offered Dak exact market value long before the deadline Dak wanted to set the precedence he and his cruddy agent with the amount of years plus over the guaranteed money they were asking. Jerry didn't cave to the 4 year deal and Dak bet on himself and paid dearly. I doubt he's going to get even what they offered before especially coming off a horrific injury. I don't fault the kid but I wouldn't have left all that guaranteed money on the table over 1 year contract length.
"Dak paid dearly"? You do realize that the franchise tag number will go UP? He will be franchised as soon as he is eligible....and he will easily get more money than they originally offered!
 

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I like this exercise. It's fun to ask those who say "Dak is average" what 10 QBs they'd take over him. Make them put in writing that Matt Ryan or whoever is better. They never do.

It's Mahomes, and then a group of Dak, Wilson, Lamar, Watson, and Rodgers in whatever order you'd like. Either way you spin it, Dak's a top 6 QB.

If you are asking who I would take at QB next season over Dak Prescott (lest we forget that he is recovering from a serious foot injury) then whilst some spots are interchangeable they are as follows: -

1. Aaron Rodgers
2. Patrick Mahomes
3. Russell Wilson
4. Josh Allen
5. Lamar Jackson
6. Tom Brady
7. Deshawn Watson
8. Justin Herbert
9. Ryan Tannehill
10. Trevor Lawrence

People will slate Tannehill and just say that he does nothing it's all Derrick Henry, of course he has benefited from having him in the backfield (like Dak did with Zeke in his rookie season) but over the 29 games Tannehill has started, which includes play off wins away to the Ravens and the Patriots, he has thrown 60 TDs with 14 INTs and rushed for 12 TDs. QPR average of circa 110. People who do not give him any credit just do not understand football.

Lawrence hasn't thrown a ball in the NFL yet if you ask any GM in the league if they could have him or Dak Prescott next season then come on we all know they are picking Lawrence. Rookie contract with potential to be a fantastic QB in the league. He might end up a bust especially given he will likely be landing at the Jags but the upside is too high to pass on him for Dak. Judging by what I saw from Herbert this season with a Head Coach who didn't seem up to it, he looks fantastic longer term and given he has 4 more years on a rookie deal I would take him over Dak any day of the week. Yes Brady is getting on but he didn't exactly look his age over the past few weeks. 40 TDs at over 40 years of age, fair play.

Some will say Lamar can't throw a ball etc. He isn't the purest of passers but because he has electricity with his legs like nobody else, he has still been able to throw 62 TDs over the past two regular seasons with only 15 INTs add in 14 rushing TDs during the same period. 2019 MVP. He still has it to prove in the post season but he will get his first win on Sunday. Deshawn Watson played lights out in a bad team - not a lot more he could do.

Some people focus on how Josh Allen played this season but do not forget how he outplayed Dak last season without any major weapons. This season he had Diggs, finally a WR1 and he has taken his game to another level. It just shows how handicapped some quarterbacks are due to the lack of talent around them and how others are overrated due to the abundance of talent around them. Allen might be a bit high on the list but I project that he will more than back up this season in the forthcoming years now that he has some weapons around him.

I haven't even included Joe Burrow in the top 10 as whilst he looked very promising, he has to overcome a serious injury. I would have Murray at # 11 so if people want to knock out Brady due to age because in 3 years he will have retired, the others behind him would be pushed up a spot with Murray in at #10.

I would have Dak in the cluster behind Murray anywhere between 12-15 which is solid and decent yet some people take such offense to it. I remember I was dug out by some Cowboy fans on here for having Aaron Rodgers higher than Dak Prescott heading into this season. I can kind of understand a bit of what Stephen A Smith refers to as annoying as he is. For anyone to actually have that opinion they must be so biased and deluded it's embarrassing.
 

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Jerry's going to cave isn't he...

This makes me wonder how jerry would describe mahomes !! lol and how much would he have paid mahomes ? probably a billion for 5 years.
Or does jerry think dak is as good as mahomes?? as good as rodgers? wilson? burrows? trevor etc.
we already know he thinks dak is better than brady.

I was thinking earlier, with the 2 TE we have now in dalton and jarwin, and good rb's good wr's, just imagine if they got brady and let him design
his style of offense and plays, and let him call his own plays ! I think it would be a SB year.
Arians is killing brady in his screwball outdated offense, and TB still made playoffs.

Brady was his best when he had the 2 good TE's .

I no longer care , just day dreaming lol.
Heck jerry can pay dak 50 mil a year on a 10 year or 4 year deal doesnt matter to me.
 

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If you are asking who I would take at QB next season over Dak Prescott (lest we forget that he is recovering from a serious foot injury) then whilst some spots are interchangeable they are as follows: -

1. Aaron Rodgers
2. Patrick Mahomes
3. Russell Wilson
4. Josh Allen
5. Lamar Jackson
6. Tom Brady
7. Deshawn Watson
8. Justin Herbert
9. Ryan Tannehill
10. Trevor Lawrence

People will slate Tannehill and just say that he does nothing it's all Derrick Henry, of course he has benefited from having him in the backfield (like Dak did with Zeke in his rookie season) but over the 29 games Tannehill has started, which includes play off wins away to the Ravens and the Patriots, he has thrown 60 TDs with 14 INTs and rushed for 12 TDs. QPR average of circa 110. People who do not give him any credit just do not understand football.

Lawrence hasn't thrown a ball in the NFL yet if you ask any GM in the league if they could have him or Dak Prescott next season then come on we all know they are picking Lawrence. Rookie contract with potential to be a fantastic QB in the league. He might end up a bust especially given he will likely be landing at the Jags but the upside is too high to pass on him for Dak. Judging by what I saw from Herbert this season with a Head Coach who didn't seem up to it, he looks fantastic longer term and given he has 4 more years on a rookie deal I would take him over Dak any day of the week. Yes Brady is getting on but he didn't exactly look his age over the past few weeks. 40 TDs at over 40 years of age, fair play.

Some will say Lamar can't throw a ball etc. He isn't the purest of passers but because he has electricity with his legs like nobody else, he has still been able to throw 62 TDs over the past two regular seasons with only 15 INTs add in 14 rushing TDs during the same period. 2019 MVP. He still has it to prove in the post season but he will get his first win on Sunday. Deshawn Watson played lights out in a bad team - not a lot more he could do.

Some people focus on how Josh Allen played this season but do not forget how he outplayed Dak last season without any major weapons. This season he had Diggs, finally a WR1 and he has taken his game to another level. It just shows how handicapped some quarterbacks are due to the lack of talent around them and how others are overrated due to the abundance of talent around them. Allen might be a bit high on the list but I project that he will more than back up this season in the forthcoming years now that he has some weapons around him.

I haven't even included Joe Burrow in the top 10 as whilst he looked very promising, he has to overcome a serious injury. I would have Murray at # 11 so if people want to knock out Brady due to age because in 3 years he will have retired, the others behind him would be pushed up a spot with Murray in at #10.

I would have Dak in the cluster behind Murray anywhere between 12-15 which is solid and decent yet some people take such offense to it. I remember I was dug out by some Cowboy fans on here for having Aaron Rodgers higher than Dak Prescott heading into this season. I can kind of understand a bit of what Stephen A Smith refers to as annoying as he is. For anyone to actually have that opinion they must be so biased and deluded it's embarrassing.
good post , I agree.
 

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Again, the values tossed are subjective and based on desperation. Mahomes contract has him at $45 million a year. That's the bar for perhaps the best QB out there along with Aaron Rodgers at $33 million a year. Am I to believe that Dak is in this realm? It's like telling me that because a Rembrandt sold for $100 million, that the market deems that Billy's finger painting is now $80 million.
Great painting analogy.
 

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If you are asking who I would take at QB next season over Dak Prescott (lest we forget that he is recovering from a serious foot injury) then whilst some spots are interchangeable they are as follows: -

1. Aaron Rodgers
2. Patrick Mahomes
3. Russell Wilson
4. Josh Allen
5. Lamar Jackson
6. Tom Brady
7. Deshawn Watson
8. Justin Herbert
9. Ryan Tannehill
10. Trevor Lawrence

People will slate Tannehill and just say that he does nothing it's all Derrick Henry, of course he has benefited from having him in the backfield (like Dak did with Zeke in his rookie season) but over the 29 games Tannehill has started, which includes play off wins away to the Ravens and the Patriots, he has thrown 60 TDs with 14 INTs and rushed for 12 TDs. QPR average of circa 110. People who do not give him any credit just do not understand football.

Lawrence hasn't thrown a ball in the NFL yet if you ask any GM in the league if they could have him or Dak Prescott next season then come on we all know they are picking Lawrence. Rookie contract with potential to be a fantastic QB in the league. He might end up a bust especially given he will likely be landing at the Jags but the upside is too high to pass on him for Dak. Judging by what I saw from Herbert this season with a Head Coach who didn't seem up to it, he looks fantastic longer term and given he has 4 more years on a rookie deal I would take him over Dak any day of the week. Yes Brady is getting on but he didn't exactly look his age over the past few weeks. 40 TDs at over 40 years of age, fair play.

Some will say Lamar can't throw a ball etc. He isn't the purest of passers but because he has electricity with his legs like nobody else, he has still been able to throw 62 TDs over the past two regular seasons with only 15 INTs add in 14 rushing TDs during the same period. 2019 MVP. He still has it to prove in the post season but he will get his first win on Sunday. Deshawn Watson played lights out in a bad team - not a lot more he could do.

Some people focus on how Josh Allen played this season but do not forget how he outplayed Dak last season without any major weapons. This season he had Diggs, finally a WR1 and he has taken his game to another level. It just shows how handicapped some quarterbacks are due to the lack of talent around them and how others are overrated due to the abundance of talent around them. Allen might be a bit high on the list but I project that he will more than back up this season in the forthcoming years now that he has some weapons around him.

I haven't even included Joe Burrow in the top 10 as whilst he looked very promising, he has to overcome a serious injury. I would have Murray at # 11 so if people want to knock out Brady due to age because in 3 years he will have retired, the others behind him would be pushed up a spot with Murray in at #10.

I would have Dak in the cluster behind Murray anywhere between 12-15 which is solid and decent yet some people take such offense to it. I remember I was dug out by some Cowboy fans on here for having Aaron Rodgers higher than Dak Prescott heading into this season. I can kind of understand a bit of what Stephen A Smith refers to as annoying as he is. For anyone to actually have that opinion they must be so biased and deluded it's embarrassing.
Very reasonable post IMHO. I would say that the cluster is even bigger after the top 10 and it is very close with Dak probably near the top of that cluster. Names that could easily be thrown into the cluster are Wentz, Baker, Goff, Rivers, Ryan, Cousins, Minshew, Smith and Garoppolo. Dak has not really separated himself in any appreciable way statistically from any of these guys.

Having said that Dak is as close to a top shelf QB as we can hope to get and that comes at the price of 40 million per year. Lets go ahead and sign the deal, try to help him as much as we can, and hope that he can elevate his play somewhat.
 

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People need to stop comparing Dak to Mahomes and Rogers. It is similar to the NBA. Go and have a look at how many people make as much if not more than Lebron. It makes no sense but that is just the way the economy works. You either pay the money and get the best guy that is available to you or you go without.
 
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