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dckid said:
Ok man no point having this discussion with you. You have a narrative you are stuck on and no matter what I say you will never change your mind. You are stuck in Jerry’s gravity. Ignorance is bliss
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I'm sorry what exactly am I ignorant of? What narrative am I pushing?

You're picking a certain date to leave out the 3 Super Bowls. It's a selective sampling to create a narrative, to a T. I'm not saying the Cowboys have been good the last 25 years, but just be honest about it.
 
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The Cowboys record from 1996-2020 208 wins , 192 losses. 8 games above .500
The proof is in the pudding. We have become a mediocre average team that has lived on reputation for 25 plus years.
Forget SB wins we have not even been close to making a Championship game.
This is what Jerry wants, these are the results Jerry is happy with. He and the front office don't care about winning a SB. They care about making as much money as possible, and I don't begrudge him for that at all.
Jerry cares about the sizzle not the steak. He wants the team to be .500, a game above a game below it really does not matter to him.
As long as they are in a playoff run, talking heads are going crazy, Zeke, Dak, Romo, Dware, Lawrence.. 3-4 nationally televised games. Jerry is a pig in mud. His face is plastered on TV, Jerry world was packed.
You all probably are sick of me... ( I know some of you are). Jerry has three rings, is a HOF, bought the team for 150 million now its worth over 5.5 billion. A SB is the least of his concerns.
Let other teams worry about that. He doesn't care that this is the same organization that a 20 year run of being a winning team. This team made 8 of the first 30 Super Bowls.
He does not care about winning another SB. Even though I realize that and have 100% belief I still get frustrated and upset more than I should.
I know signing Dak to 40 per year is cap hell, the upside and downside are about the same. We get a Goff, Wentz, Kirk Cousins type QB, we will go 7-9 through 9-7 and that is all Jerry cares about. As Feynman said. "Don't fool yourself as you are the easiest to fool". I am fooling my self as a fan into thinking this FO actually has a plan.
This organization cannot recognize its own strengths and weaknesses. They don't take the logical step to try and improve.
We are most likely headed for another generation of being mediocre. The title of Americas team will be long gone, we will be almost two generations from being a contender.
Just some sobering links:
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/dal/index.htm
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yawn blah blah blaH BLAH

it took KC 50hyears to get to another reid took an entire career to win one and took 15 years between appearances and took a generational hof talent named Mahomes to get it down..

took Philly 60 years to win one..not with reid without him..

many teams have thes droughts even the great ones..

NE made it look easy but its not i get your frustration but Jerry not happy with mediocrity it just how the card fell out..
anyone saying he doesn't want to win is clueless making their own personal opinions shoved into jerry..

he not just about money and marketing but omitting his 3 sbs yes he was the owner he did hire jimmy he nearly went bankrupt building that team and it paid off..no jimmy without jerry lets not get it twisted..go to 1989-2020 that jerrys HOF owners career so far
 
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big dog cowboy said:
Just thought I would point out that if you go back just 5 more years, it changes everything.
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I am talking about Jerry running the show guys and gals. Jerry was awesome as the unruly wildcard owner when he had Jimmy.
 

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Future said:
I'm sorry what exactly am I ignorant of? What narrative am I pushing?

You're picking a certain date to leave out the 3 Super Bowls. It's a selective sampling to create a narrative, to a T. I'm not saying the Cowboys have been good the last 25 years, but just be honest about it.
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I am sorry maybe wasn’t clear. My whole 96- present is obviously about Jerry the GM, the man in charge, the man in the draft room, the man with his radio show, the man giving the press conference. All Jerry the buck starts and stops with him.
 
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dckid said:
I am sorry maybe wasn’t clear. My whole 96- present is obviously about Jerry the GM, the man in charge, the man in the draft room, the man with his radio show, the man giving the press conference. All Jerry the buck starts and stops with him.
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he was clearly in charge from day 1 when he and he alone chose a college buddy as HC he hired the man he put in charge..Jerry pout jimmy i charge oked the traded and cut the checks.

you act as if Jimmy bought the team and brought jerry along..so so far from the truth..Jimmy had the opportunity to build team and win because of jerry..

he did squat with the dolphins, what happened?

you can try but it wont happen , you can not omit the success of the 3 sbs from jerrys success and say it was ALL JIMMY..so far from the truth
 
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he was clearly in charge from day 1 when he and he alone chose a college buddy as HC he hired the man he put in charge..Jerry pout jimmy i charge oked the traded and cut the checks.

you act as if Jimmy bought the team and brought jerry along..so so far from the truth..Jimmy had the opportunity to build team and win because of jerry..

he did squat with the dolphins, what happened?

you can try but it wont happen , you can not omit the success of the 3 sbs from jerrys success and say it was ALL JIMMY..so far from the truth
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Are you on Jerry's payroll?

Jerry admitted a few years ago that his 'GM' should have been fired because of how bad he was doing his job. Jerry's refusal to bring in a competent GM tells you what?

Stop giving us this bull about him wanting to win when he refuses to make the one change he admitted needs to be done.
 
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Are you on Jerry's payroll?

Jerry admitted a few years ago that his 'GM' should have been fired because of how bad he was doing his job. Jerry's refusal to bring in a competent GM tells you what?

Stop giving us this bull about him wanting to win when he refuses to make the one change he admitted needs to be done.
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nothing i said is untrue

get over it

if you dont like kit go pull for KC they are the new easy pick even though it took them 50years between championships FIFTY
 

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TwistedL0g1k said:
I disagree. Jerry absolutely wants to win. He's got plenty of money. I reject the idea that he is putting profit in front of winning. Winning would bring even more profit! The team is generally spending the full salary cap each season, so there is no financial advantage to losing.

The problem is his ego. He also wants to play GM, and he clearly sucks at it. He is delusional, and fails to realize his shortcomings in this role.
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He would rather lose doing it HIS way....then win doing it someone else's way. He is so far down this path....that he can't turn back. He would not even enjoy winning if it came with someone other than himself at the controls. He has a SPECIAL level of sickness. And I wish I and all the other fans could find a way to pull ourselves away from this sick show...so it could hit him where it hurts. Because we CANNOT....NOTHING will change.
 
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These 25 years have been ruff... no doubt ... I can still look back at the 90’s and remember how dominant they were.. the problem I have is that I feel horrible for my son. Born in 96, I have no idea how he has lasted this long .
 
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dckid said:
The Cowboys record from 1996-2020 208 wins , 192 losses. 8 games above .500
The proof is in the pudding. We have become a mediocre average team that has lived on reputation for 25 plus years.
Forget SB wins we have not even been close to making a Championship game.
This is what Jerry wants, these are the results Jerry is happy with. He and the front office don't care about winning a SB. They care about making as much money as possible, and I don't begrudge him for that at all.
Jerry cares about the sizzle not the steak. He wants the team to be .500, a game above a game below it really does not matter to him.
As long as they are in a playoff run, talking heads are going crazy, Zeke, Dak, Romo, Dware, Lawrence.. 3-4 nationally televised games. Jerry is a pig in mud. His face is plastered on TV, Jerry world was packed.
You all probably are sick of me... ( I know some of you are). Jerry has three rings, is a HOF, bought the team for 150 million now its worth over 5.5 billion. A SB is the least of his concerns.
Let other teams worry about that. He doesn't care that this is the same organization that a 20 year run of being a winning team. This team made 8 of the first 30 Super Bowls.
He does not care about winning another SB. Even though I realize that and have 100% belief I still get frustrated and upset more than I should.
I know signing Dak to 40 per year is cap hell, the upside and downside are about the same. We get a Goff, Wentz, Kirk Cousins type QB, we will go 7-9 through 9-7 and that is all Jerry cares about. As Feynman said. "Don't fool yourself as you are the easiest to fool". I am fooling my self as a fan into thinking this FO actually has a plan.
This organization cannot recognize its own strengths and weaknesses. They don't take the logical step to try and improve.
We are most likely headed for another generation of being mediocre. The title of Americas team will be long gone, we will be almost two generations from being a contender.
Just some sobering links:
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/dal/index.htm
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Very well said. This is exactly how I feel. What motivation does Jerry have to change? He's got the money, the rings and the HOF. The rings and the HOF are courtesy of Jimmy Johnson. Jerry has achieved everything there is to achieve so why put a competitive team on the field? If his ego and visibility are not phased by losing and he's not losing money then there's no incentive to stop treating the Cowboys as ego supply.

The only positive thing that happened this season was getting flexed out of SNF. Hopefully the Cowboys brand will diminish. That will be the only thing Jerry will care about.
 
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Future said:
Why'd you stop at 1996? If you were smart, you'd start at 200 to make a better point.

If you're going to pick dumb, arbitrary data sets, at least do so that it skews as much to your point as it can.
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Do you ever do anything but spew your vitrial and insults to people? Grow up already.
 
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dckid said:
Appreciate your comments. This team is forever stuck in mediocrity. Jerry doesn't want to be 1-15 again as the team would be irrelevant. He has just found the magic formula, where the name is bigger than the product it puts on the field. Being relevant is better than being the SB winner. He would rather cut off his nose despite his face. He really doesn't care. Only three ownership groups have more SB's than him.
The Steelers & Pats & Giants. Niners had an ownership change. Jerry has three since 1989, actually since 89 only the Pats have more rings than him. So in his eyes he is still a success, the second best why should he change anything he does?
We are destined for another generation of forgettable teams.
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I agree Jerry is most concerned about money, but not many people in sports talk about the cowboys....not all that much anyway.
Cowboys popularity is running on the residual greatness they had built up in the 70s and the 90s. That may run out soon as next generation have never known the greatness of the once proud franchise.
 
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-----I was two weeks away from getting my drivers license when we won Super Bowl XXX. I’m freaking 40 now.

I was 32 and 10 years on my job....last Thursday I retired. Ev U Jerry!!!!
 
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Yes, but, who here thinks that this will be the year we go to the Super Bowl and go out and spend good money on Cowboys gear as soon as the 2021 season starts.

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lol yeah I start sounding like Al Bundy and his 4 touchdown stories when I talk about the Cowboys.

"No really they used to be good"
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They used to be a team you could be proud of. Not some joke run by a POS owner! "Good" is an understatement considering the ugly turn they took a quarter of a century ago!
 

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blueblood70 said:
he was clearly in charge from day 1 when he and he alone chose a college buddy as HC he hired the man he put in charge..Jerry pout jimmy i charge oked the traded and cut the checks.

you act as if Jimmy bought the team and brought jerry along..so so far from the truth..Jimmy had the opportunity to build team and win because of jerry..

he did squat with the dolphins, what happened?

you can try but it wont happen , you can not omit the success of the 3 sbs from jerrys success and say it was ALL JIMMY..so far from the truth
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Are you ok? Are you even hearing yourself? This discussion is all about Jerry after Jimmy left and he and this organization as a whole have been an unmitigated disaster.
99.9% of the owners ok trades and write checks. Jerry didn't do anything special from 89-93. Jimmy did all the work and deserves all the credit. Full stop end of discussion.

Name me another HC who who SuperBowls with two different teams..... We can wait all day.. because you will never find one. I will defend Jimmy to the nth degree. He was never allowed by the Dolphins ownership group to move away from Dan Marino, and no I am not making excuses for him. You are acting like Jimmy fell on his face in Miami, he wasn't as good as Parcells was on the Jets or Pats. But we all knew Jimmy's temperament. He needed total control to enact his culture.
My greatest disappointment as a Cowboy fan was watching him leave after back to back Super Bowls... still to this day. .its hard to explain the gravity of that time to my kids.
 

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Very well said. This is exactly how I feel. What motivation does Jerry have to change? He's got the money, the rings and the HOF. The rings and the HOF are courtesy of Jimmy Johnson. Jerry has achieved everything there is to achieve so why put a competitive team on the field? If his ego and visibility are not phased by losing and he's not losing money then there's no incentive to stop treating the Cowboys as ego supply.

The only positive thing that happened this season was getting flexed out of SNF. Hopefully the Cowboys brand will diminish. That will be the only thing Jerry will care about.
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Thanks plymkr,
It's sad that we have to get even worst than we can get better. You know why you are 100% right? Remember when we lost under Campo to the expansion Texans in their inaugural game? David Carr and his wedding ring wrapped in tape.
The nexy year Jerry hired Parcells. I even remember Bill saying he felt sorry for Jerry watching that game. But Jerry couldn't control him self and again hired a coach who was the polar opposite of the guy he decided to let go. Parcels to Philips. Phillips who would not even wear a headset on the sideline... At least fake us fans out that you know something about the game, or play calling!!!!!
 

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I agree Jerry is most concerned about money, but not many people in sports talk about the cowboys....not all that much anyway.
Cowboys popularity is running on the residual greatness they had built up in the 70s and the 90s. That may run out soon as next generation have never known the greatness of the once proud franchise.
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Yeah that is my fear. The team that had a winning record for 20 years straight... They were the Pats from 2001- 2019, yes they didnt win 6 SB's,
But they did make it to 5, and win 2.
1970-1982 they made it to 10 NFC championship games..... What 10 out of 13 years they had a chance to get to a SB.
Now our fans remember how Romo almost held on to a snap against the Hawks in a wildcard game. Relax I am not insulting Romo. I am insulting our expectations.
 
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