Twitter: KC: Dak must reach playoffs consistently if he's paid premium QB money

Starforever · Jan 7, 2021

CATCH17 said:
I heard this on my lunch break.. Good stuff.

Some facts.

Green Bay has made the playoffs 8 of last 10 years. The only 2 they didn't make it were McCarthy's final 2 seasons..

New Orleans has made it the last 4 years and 6 out of the last 10.

Seattle has only missed the playoffs 1 time with Russell Wilson.

Tom Brady has made the playoffs 10 out of the last 10 years. It's been awhile until since Tampa has been to the playoffs

Mahomes has went 3 years in a row.

This is why you pay the elite guys and let the not so elites walk if they want elite money.

You failed to input Dak's playoff appearances, since 2016. Your post, is a bit jaded.

Whirlwin · Jan 7, 2021

CATCH17 said:
I heard this on my lunch break.. Good stuff.

Some facts.

Green Bay has made the playoffs 8 of last 10 years. The only 2 they didn't make it were McCarthy's final 2 seasons..

New Orleans has made it the last 4 years and 6 out of the last 10.

Seattle has only missed the playoffs 1 time with Russell Wilson.

Tom Brady has made the playoffs 10 out of the last 10 years. It's been awhile until since Tampa has been to the playoffs

Mahomes has went 3 years in a row.

This is why you pay the elite guys and let the not so elites walk if they want elite money.

Most teams that go to the playoffs especially the Super Bowl. Are never heard from the following season. It’s way more than just a quarterback. We don’t have all the pieces especially a gym and a head coach

CowboyRoy · Jan 7, 2021

ShaneFalco said:
But none of that is reality. It’s just your Jr high school fantasy.
Here’s reality. You know, factual history?
No. Most didn’t think he would sign long term. And like everyone surmised, Tak was tagged.
Those same folks are saying he will be tagged again. Once he can prove he’s heathy.
Fact is he was tagged and is on his way to a big payday elsewhere. Like every other tagged QB in the history of the NFL.

But tell us more tall tales Mr Wizard!!

Why would I care about being tagged or not? LOL I guess you think that is some kind of small victory for you? :lmao2:

Negotiation tactics. Top 7 QB easy and rising. Dak will be here long term, no question and you can cry about it all you want. Jerry has no more leverage so I would put my money on a long term deal coming before the season starts.

ShaneFalco · Jan 7, 2021

CowboyRoy said:
Why would I care about being tagged or not? LOL I guess you think that is some kind of small victory for you?

Negotiation tactics. Top 7 QB easy and rising. Dak will be here long term, no question and you can cry about it all you want. Jerry has no more leverage so I would put my money on a long term deal coming before the season starts.

More tall tales from Mr Wizard with his fantasy wand.
The Tag sets the market and in Taks case, sets his price. You creating fantasies doesn’t.
But it’s fun watching you spin tales of adventure with Tak.

Diehardblues · Jan 7, 2021

CATCH17 said:
We need a quick rebuild..

Being mediocre season after season is hurting this franchise.

Be great or be terrible. Just don't be mediocre.

Paying the non elite QB's like they are elite is a good way to be consistently mediocre. Just because the entire league decides together to be stupid doesn't mean Dallas should.

But there’s not an abundance of Elite QB’s and why most teams you’re calling stupid are attempting to build a team around the Franchise QB they have. And several teams have been able to do so.

If you’re proposing we should continue swinging for the fences until we find the next Elite QB then that’s not a tactic most will take. Especially if you’re trying to maintain some relevance and interest in your fan base.

Or you become a Super Bowl or bust mentality which is most likely going to miss more often than not as far as fielding a playoff caliber team.

And Jethro has proven that being mediocre isn’t hurting this franchise as they remain top in revenue. What hurts more is losing. Can’t sell 5-11 but you can 8-8. Im not saying I like it just providing a perspective from ownership not just a fan.

CowboysFaninHouston · Jan 7, 2021

ShaneFalco said:
More tall tales from Mr Wizard with his fantasy wand.
The Tag sets the market and in Taks case, sets his price. You creating fantasies doesn’t.
But it’s fun watching you spin tales of adventure with Tak.

the tag doesn't set the market....you would be wrong.

.the tag is calculated from the market, based on contracts.....its the average of top 5 cap percentage of the current cap year for the positions as defined by CBA...

as the market moves. so does the tag...and second tag is 120% of previous year's tag. its in the CBA agreement to protect the players from continuous tagging.

so how does the tag set the market again?

ShaneFalco · Jan 7, 2021

CowboysFaninHouston said:
the tag doesn't set the market....you would be wrong.

.the tag is calculated from the market, based on contracts.....its the average of top 5 cap percentage of the current cap year for the positions as defined by CBA...

as the market moves. so does the tag...and second tag is 120% of previous year's tag. its in the CBA agreement to protect the players from continuous tagging.

so how does the tag set the market again?

It sets the market cause its set for next year moron.

CowboysFaninHouston · Jan 7, 2021

ShaneFalco said:
It sets the market cause its set for next year moron.

LOL...your math is weak, obviously...

it doesn't set next year onto itself...next year is set based on this year which is set based on top 5 contracts...its simple logic. you can't just create a new math to fit your argument....they can't just set a franchise tag value randomly.....

again, the current CONTRACTs set the market no matter how you slice and dice it....

furthermore, to dismiss your wrong assumptions if the average of the top 5 in the second year is larger than the 120% value, it becomes the new tag.....again, the market sets the value...

you are wrong on all accounts. your argument is a dead argument on arrival...

if you were smart, you would admit that you were wrong and move on, instead of arguing an argument you lost at the very first sentence....I have been wrong in the past and admited it...there is nothing wrong about admiting you are wrong. it makes you a mature person....

ShaneFalco · Jan 7, 2021

CowboysFaninHouston said:
LOL...your math is weak, obviously...

it doesn't set next year onto itself...next year is set based on this year which is set based on top 5 contracts...its simple logic. you can't just create a new math to fit your argument....they can't just set a franchise tag value randomly.....

again, the current CONTRACTs set the market no matter how you slice and dice it....

furthermore, to dismiss your wrong assumptions if the average of the top 5 in the second year is larger than the 120% value, it becomes the new tag.....again, the market sets the value...

you are wrong on all accounts. your argument is a dead argument on arrival...

if you were smart, you would admit that you were wrong and move on, instead of arguing an argument you lost at the very first sentence....I have been wrong in the past and admited it...there is nothing wrong about admiting you are wrong. it makes mature person....

The tag is set at 37.5 MIL for this coming year and all your long winded yapping isnt going to change anything.

Diehardblues · Jan 7, 2021

I’m not sure why fans have a problem with Dak attempting to optimize his contract. This might be the only big deal he signs in his career. I’d be recommending him not to play for less than the Franchise Tag.

Agents always use what the market is in Franchise QB not just Elite QB which the latter is really more of a term the fans and media use not FO.

And the current market for Franchise QB is 40 million. 35 million was last year. And in a couple more years will prob be closer to 50 million.

DCCowboys11 · Jan 7, 2021

kskboys said:
I'm curious. Why do you put Arians in that group?

Because IMO he’s a great leader of men and could do more with this roster than Garrett or McCarthy did. Just my opinion. Give me Bruce Arians over McCarthy all day and twice on Sunday.

CowboysFaninHouston · Jan 7, 2021

ShaneFalco said:
The tag is set at 37.5 MIL for this coming year and all your long winded yapping isnt going to change anything.

yes, that's the tag price so how do they come up with that?

37.5 = 120% of (31.4 = average of the top 5 contracts in 2019)

simple, isn't it? amazingly the market set the tag price....not the other way around ...pow your mind blown...

Diehardblues · Jan 7, 2021

RonnieT24 said:
If Dak doesn't understand this then I won't want him on my team. Much as I love the player and the story.. eating up 20% of the cap without helping the team's ability to build around him would show that he is not who I thought he was as a person and as such he needs to go. He's not good enough to overcome a 30 ppg defense.. nobody is.. So he needs to help the team out .. His bank account will never be able to tell the difference between 180 million over 5 years vs 145 million over 4 years.. but the team around him will.. Sign the 5 year deal.. add in an opt out if the cap reaches a certain level.. 300 million? during the length of it. And get on with the business of winning championships.

But that’s not up to Dak to balance the checkbook. That’s up to our FO.

Remember our FO has no doubts about whether Dak is enough as they have stated publicly . They aren’t on the fence about his ability like many fans are.

If you’re all in on Dak you Anty Up. If you’re not you move on if he’s over evaluating his ability. We should be discussing what we think Jethro will do not what we would do.

ShaneFalco · Jan 7, 2021

CowboysFaninHouston said:
yes, that's the tag price so how do they come up with that?

37.5 = 120% of (31.4 = average of the top 5 contracts in 2019)

simple, isn't it? amazingly the market set the tag price....not the other way around ...pow your mind blown...

Now your whining includes math about how wrong you are. New levels of stupid.

Diehardblues · Jan 7, 2021

CouchCoach said:
I do not think they bungled this one. I think it was the previous ones when they blinked that set this one up. They just picked this one to stop rolling over for.

They won’t bundle it this time if they are still All in on Dak. Be prepared for a big deal. Jethro likes the big splash.

We’d do the same thing if we were All In on Dak

khiladi · Jan 7, 2021

Aven8 said:
I know your dislike for Dak, but come on man with no faith in Philbin? The dude was a miracle worker this year with what he had to work with. If you remember GB was the best pass blocking teams in his time there. He doesn’t require All Pro’s across the line to get the job done sans our other coaches. I agree that Cally is a flat out stud coach, but you can’t dis Philbin.

Rodgers got sacked 49 times his last year there and his last year with the Colts, the line gave up 56 sacks. Reality is bro, ever since week 11, there were only three QBs that got the ball out quicker than Andy Dalton, who was averaging 2.16 seconds. The ‘miracle working’ seemed more to do with schematics than Philbin.

CowboysFaninHouston · Jan 7, 2021

ShaneFalco said:
Now your whining includes math about how wrong you are. New levels of stupid.

wow, amazing....such a simple concept and you are drowning in confusion....didn't think this very simple concept would be so far above your head.

sorry, you are beyond help. others on this thread got it and got it quickly...

so you are saying the tag sets the market...LOL...ooook...good luck to you....

ShaneFalco · Jan 7, 2021

Diehardblues said:
They won’t bundle it this time if they are still All in on Dak. Be prepared for a big deal. Jethro likes the big splash.

So the Tag as I’ve so aptly clowned our insecure friend from Houston in pointing out is 37.5 million.
That’s the low end of what DAL has to start at in Taks 1st year. His agent will not accept a penny less cause he knows they either have to tag him and he gets 37.5 million (for the folks in Houston) FULLY GUARANTEED FOR ONE YEAR, or DAL has to trade him and he gets it with his new team. Even if they can trade him.
DAL has a meager 27 MIL today up against the cap. Even if they dump the 20 UFA scrubs they will have to work extremely hard to not only just get Tak to the tag, but sign him to a long term deal. And that’s not taking into account you have to then fill out the roster since you just lost 20 players to just get Tak to his tag.

Starforever · Jan 7, 2021

Dak, should take whatever the Dallas Cowboys are willing to give him. He understands his worth to the team, and he knows his place among current QBs. It is not his job to strategize the CAP; neither should he worry about the teams ability to draft or pick up players. The organization, has a responsibility to pay, draft, and acquire assets, as they see fit.

ShaneFalco · Jan 7, 2021

CowboysFaninHouston said:
wow, amazing....such a simple concept and you are drowning in confusion....didn't think this very simple concept would be so far above your head.

sorry, you are beyond help. others on this thread got it and got it quickly...

so you are saying the tag sets the market...LOL...ooook...good luck to you....

Yes. Taks tag sets his market. DAL has to start at 37.5.
Yes, run along now...

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