Cowboys need to resign Dak before Baker and Josh Allen reset the market

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KJJ said:
The facts are a team doesn’t re-sign a QB to a big deal to get cap room. I know you don’t know how to copy and paste unless you’ve learned how but where did you get the story that Romo would only agree to renegotiate if the Cowboys picked on the OL? I would love to see the link.
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I'd have to find it. It was big news at the time.
 
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CowboyoWales said:
Clche after cliche. In response....
1) "Give them a chance" - at what exactly? you mention NFC Least, hardly SB.
2) Most of the QB's that are getting paid havent won anything - ??? so we have to follow??? Id argue that all of them have got to at least a championship game apart for Deshaun and Houston are already regretting signing him, not because of his ability but because they can't put a team around him.
3) QB's are more successful when they fall down the draft and end up on better teams
4) If we pick Top 10 for the following 3 years we've a chance of building something decent when we start cutting/trading the CAP destroying contracts in 2022/23.
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You don’t like our QB. We get it! There’s teams that pick in the top 10 practically every year and never get anywhere because they can’t find a consistent QB. They keep wasting high draft picks on QBs that go bust.
 
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I have no interest watching the Cowboys play musical chairs at QB every year trying to find one but apparently some of you relish the idea.
 
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I have no interest watching the Cowboys play musical chairs at QB every year trying to find one but apparently some of you relish the idea.
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By that logic, let's bring back tyrone crawford..

Have you seen the DTs we've drafted over the years?!!

If anything, teams should always look to upgrade just asl the cardinals and chiefs.

Greenbay with a player that has been a perennial MVP in rodgers just drafted a QB in the first round and yet some fans are scared to swing for the fence lol
 
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kskboys said:
You are getting this wrong, for some odd reason. Bigben signed his first big contract in 08, after both of his super bowls.

Brees got paid after his super bowl win. As did Wilson. Rodgers got paid in 08, won in 09, hasn't sniffed one since.

It's like you tried to prove something, and proved the opposite. QB's who get paid often keep their teams from winning the super bowl.
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I agree with you but as many more teams pay their QB’s big money this will change. It will even out over time and then the big dollar QB’s will probably start winning them. That said, they will be the biggest playmaker QB’s, not guys like Dak. He won’t be able to compete with the playmaking ability of guys like Mahommes or a guy coming up like Josh Allen.

Deshawns contract will kill the Texans long term because he is not worth the 40 mill. He can’t carry that value and have his team successful. Dak can’t either. Lamar May carry that value for a couple years but he is going to slow and break down. Baker, oh please . He can’t carry his team even with a strong running threat. Cleveland will go down the toilet if they pay him big money.

Coaching ability is going to become a bigger factor because you are going to have to coach up lesser talent to make up for the higher priced talent you can’t afford.
 
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By that logic, let's bring back tyrone crawford..

Have you seen the DTs we've drafted over the years?!!

If anything, teams should always look to upgrade just asl the cardinals and chiefs.

Greenbay with a player that has been a perennial MVP in rodgers just drafted a QB in the first round and yet some fans are scared to swing for the fence lol
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Don’t know how you could be comparing the QB position with the DT position. You’re not going struggle year after year rotating DTs. DL rotations are common. You can’t keep moving from one QB to another, you have to be steady at that position. It’s the same on the OL you need continuity to have consistency. The Packers wasted a first round pick on a QB when they have one that’s still playing at an MVP level. You don’t swing for the fences when you have a QB that’s playing at a high level.
 
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You don’t like our QB. We get it! There’s teams that pick in the top 10 practically every year and never get anywhere because they can’t find a consistent QB. They keep wasting high draft picks on QBs that go bust.
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Wrong again, you've gone 3 and out. I dont mind Dak at all, but it's irrelevant when we have a team that's unhealthy, too expensive, too deficient defensively.

We could look at a longer contract which allows to spread the money into signing bonus and allows us some CAP relief in 2022/23, but I doubt we're a couple of years away from becoming successful and by that I mean NFCC and SB's. So we improve slightly, but we'll never get to championships with this team....see for me it's not just QB.

I dont think we should we should necessarily draft a QB (unless one we want falls on us) as I dont think winning is possible until we shift our crippling contracts.

Problem is Jerry has tried winning every year... when sometimes you have to fold, maybe if we had we'd of done something in the last 27 years.
 
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KJJ said:
Don’t know how you could be comparing the QB position with the DT position. You’re not going struggle year after year rotating DTs. DL rotations are common. You can’t keep moving from one QB to another, you have to be steady at that position. It’s the same on the OL you need continuity to have consistency. The Packers wasted a first round pick on a QB when they have one that’s still playing at an MVP level. You don’t swing for the fences when you have a QB that’s playing at a high level.
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Yea because the Packers are in a mess, we certainly dont want to copy their strategies :rolleyes:
 
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CowboyoWales said:
Yea because the Packers are in a mess, we certainly dont want to copy their strategies :rolleyes:
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So you suggest we use our first pick on a QB? You actually hate our QB situation bad enough to make that move? The Packers using a first round pick on a QB made no sense with Aaron Rodgers still playing at a high level. It was a head scratcher to many on draft day. If they’re looking to prepare for life without Rodgers they should have used a second or third round pick on a QB. If you haven’t realized the Cowboys have a lot bigger needs than at QB.
 
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KJJ said:
So you suggest we use our first pick on a QB? You actually hate our QB situation bad enough to make that move? The Packers using a first round pick on a QB made no sense with Aaron Rodgers still playing at a high level. It was a head scratcher to many on draft day. If they’re looking to prepare for life without Rodgers they should have used a second or third round pick on a QB. If you haven’t realized the Cowboys have a lot bigger needs than at QB.
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Irony is lost on your good self.....it was a response to your apparent criticism of the Packers, as that draft has killed them this season and they already have the heir apparent.

I would pick the best player in the draft in a position of need.......if Dak hasnt signed by the draft that would include a QB, though im happy for MM to sign a veteran QB of his choice in FA, it'll be a stop gap whilst we improve areas like defense.
 
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i do not believe dak will be singed to a long term deal any more.

there is zero reason to wait with a franchise qb unless u do not believe they are a franchise qb. that is the only reason at all...ever. u can talk anout contract length all day and post jerry and stephen quote about how great dak is but it does not mean a thing.

if jerry really thought dak was his franchise qb none of this would be a thing..,he would have a contract a long time ago. i do not think it will happen.
 
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Irony is lost on your good self.....it was a response to your apparent criticism of the Packers, as that draft has killed them this season and they already have the heir apparent.

I would pick the best player in the draft in a position of need.......if Dak hasnt signed by the draft that would include a QB, though im happy for MM to sign a veteran QB of his choice in FA, it'll be a stop gap whilst we improve areas like defense.
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Even though drafting a QB with their first pick made no sense the Packers could afford to do it with the team they have. They could afford to have their first round pick sit on the sidelines all season. That draft pick is going to be sitting there a long time if Aaron Rodgers continues to play the way he has. Dak will be franchised well before the draft if he hasn’t re-signed.
 
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i do not believe dak will be singed to a long term deal any more.

there is zero reason to wait with a franchise qb unless u do not believe they are a franchise qb. that is the only reason at all...ever. u can talk anout contract length all day and post jerry and stephen quote about how great dak is but it does not mean a thing.

if jerry really thought dak was his franchise qb none of this would be a thing..,he would have a contract a long time ago. i do not think it will happen.
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I'd have to disagree, I think Dak is Jerry's franchise QB, however, the Jones cant find the CAP money to pay Dak on the terms he wants (was 4 years including 2020 and so presumably 3 years from 2021) and have enough left to plug the multiple gaps in the defense.
 
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If you think because Mahomes is considered best QB in the league and currently has largest contract that no one can receive a bigger contract , you need to research how the market works in the NFL. Cause that’s certainly not what history reflects.

Mahomes will never fulfill this 10 year contract cause in 3-5 years there will be several QB’s making more because of the market and he’ll want to renegotiate.
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I don't know, are you saying the cap% is going up for QBs? So a QB getting 20% of it's team cap space is now ok?
 
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Jarv said:
I don't know, are you saying the cap% is going up for QBs? So a QB getting 20% of it's team cap space is now ok?
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Hey Jarv, how you been? I don't think I've spoken with you since Xmas or New Year. I hope you had a great holiday season old buddy!
 
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