News: Cowboys - Dan Quinn agree in principle on DC deal

baltcowboy · Jan 12, 2021

Cowboyny said:
I think with this hiring, Jaylon is safe for another year. Wonder if they continue to play him at the Will or move him to the strong-side.

Have you decided to make a thread about the defense now that Quinn is the defensive coordinator or you gonna wait until they fill out his staff?

Cowboyny · Jan 12, 2021

baltcowboy said:
Have you decided to make a thread about the defense now that Quinn is the defensive coordinator or you gonna wait until they fill out his staff?

Took sometime Friday night reading up on Quinn's 4-3 Scheme, as there were whispers he could be their #1 Target for the DC. Wanting to know the difference between what he ran against what we had with Marinelli. There are quite different and yes I will be doing a thread at some point.

Sydla · Jan 12, 2021

DakPresgoat said:
Well. “Best” option will always be subjective.

I don’t think there’s anyone you can name that is without a doubt, head and shoulders a Better option. Just my opinion.

None of that means Quinn is successful with the cowboys. But I think his chances of being so are just as good as anyone else you hire.

My point is Belt is mocking fans for questioning the hire and says he was the best option. Well, Bobby, instead of just tut-tutting fans, why don't you show them why they are wrong and why Quinn was the best hire. The hot takes from reporters/analysts sometimes show an arrogance that, frankly, isn't deserving.

LACowboysFan1 · Jan 12, 2021

Certainly times have changed in the NFL since the 1960's. That's obvious.

But the greatest sustained success the Cowboys had came with Landry as head coach for 29 years, Schramm as general manager for the same time, as well as assistants Allen, Stautner, etc. for long periods of time.

We've now seen 7 head coaches in the last 26 years. DC Nolan lasted a grand total of one year. Marinelli lasted 6 years. And on it goes.

Now not saying some of the coaches didn't need to go, again that's obvious.

But stability in an organization is a huge step in the direction of winning Super Bowls, and Jerry ain't helping matters.

So Quinn will probably be here only a few years, McCarthy also I suspect, so for old fogeys like myself, I hope MM and Quinn and Moore work out so I can enjoy a championship or two again on this side of the pale...

HungryLion · Jan 12, 2021

Sydla said:
My point is Belt is mocking fans for questioning the hire and says he was the best option. Well, Bobby, instead of just tut-tutting fans, why don't you show them why they are wrong and why Quinn was the best hire. The hot takes from reporters/analysts sometimes show an arrogance that, frankly, isn't deserving.

Yeah I agree on the arrogance factor. I’m not really a Bobby belt fan. Don’t even follow him on Twitter. Never liked him on podcasts.

I do think some of the hand wringing about Quinn is excessive though.

There are legitimate concerns. But some fans do go overboard, especially considering that Quinn at least has the qualifications to justify the hire.

Hennessy_King · Jan 12, 2021

Sydla said:
This situation SCREAMED for bringing in new blood, let him gut the defense (as best he could given cap space) and go from there.

But Jerry, being the fool he always has been, likely thinks the talent is still good on defense (because hey, he picked them) and all it needs is a tweaking at DC.

I'll give Quinn the same rope I gave Nolan. It was obvious early Nolan was cooked. Hopefully Quinn doesn't suffer the same trajectory.

Nothing will change if you keep blowing out coaches after 1 season. Like I said it doesn't matter who the coach is with this players

Swagger · Jan 12, 2021

Big fan of this move. Finally a good appointment.

Hennessy_King · Jan 12, 2021

Brax said:
Not happy with another retread yes man? Who did you like out of curiosity.

I have no idea. not 28-3 dan quinn that's for sure

Swagger · Jan 12, 2021

Hennessy_King said:
I have no idea. not 28-3 dan quinn that's for sure

Some people just lack the character and swagger as a Head Coach but I like him as a DC.

LACowboysFan1 · Jan 12, 2021

Though looking at the Browns I hesitate to say "it can't get any worse", finishing last or next to last in total defense in the LEAGUE by itself would lead one to think it's a good hire, at least relatively speaking....

ErikWilliamsHeadSlap · Jan 12, 2021

LACowboysFan1 said:
Certainly times have changed in the NFL since the 1960's. That's obvious.

But the greatest sustained success the Cowboys had came with Landry as head coach for 29 years, Schramm as general manager for the same time, as well as assistants Allen, Stautner, etc. for long periods of time.

We've now seen 7 head coaches in the last 26 years. DC Nolan lasted a grand total of one year. Marinelli lasted 6 years. And on it goes.

Now not saying some of the coaches didn't need to go, again that's obvious.

But stability in an organization is a huge step in the direction of winning Super Bowls, and Jerry ain't helping matters.

So Quinn will probably be here only a few years, McCarthy also I suspect, so for old fogeys like myself, I hope MM and Quinn and Moore work out so I can enjoy a championship or two again on this side of the pale...

So what you are saying is that we should have kept Garret for another 16 years. Interesting.

LACowboysFan1 · Jan 12, 2021

ErikWilliamsHeadSlap said:
So what you are saying is that we should have kept Garret for another 16 years. Interesting.

No, that's not what I'm saying AT ALL. Did you read all of my post? Let me winnow it down for you:

QUOTE Now not saying some of the coaches didn't need to go, again that's obvious. QUOTE

Sorry, I don't write simplistic posts like "Dak sucks". If that's all you want to read, you'll have to go to somebody else's posts on this site...

C42 · Jan 12, 2021

Daillest88 said:
He did a good job at Florida too. Either way he’s an upgrade over Nolan and the players are way more familiar with this scheme. Not saying we are gonna ball out . But like I said the players know the scheme. Being a head coach and a coordinator definitely has a impact also. And whatever you wanna say he was part of the success in Seattle just as he was at Florida , his 2nd year there the gators gave up only 188 points throughout the season. So many coordinators fail as head coaches and go right back to being a coordinator and have plenty of success. Now to the eagles wth are y’all even doing ?

No clue lol.

But as for Quinn, he moreso inherited a legendary defense as opposed to developing it. They were the #1 defense when he became DC and were the #3 when he left. We’ll see how he does in Dallas.

reddyuta · Jan 12, 2021

I am not optimistic,we simply dont have the players to run his Defense,i think our D may be somehow worse next season.

Sydla · Jan 12, 2021

Hennessy_King said:
Nothing will change if you keep blowing out coaches after 1 season. Like I said it doesn't matter who the coach is with this players

Nolan stunk though. Players or not. I am not sure why people keep trying to convince themselves otherwise and that he was a poor victim of the players.

Doomsday101 · Jan 12, 2021

reddyuta said:
I am not optimistic,we simply dont have the players to run his Defense,i think our D may be somehow worse next season.

We need talent no matter what scheme. Dallas has the people to run a 4-3 which is what we have ran for the last few season, but clearly need help at DT and getting a FS would be a big help.

Doomsday101 · Jan 12, 2021

Sydla said:
Nolan stunk though. Players or not. I am not sure why people keep trying to convince themselves otherwise and that he was a poor victim of the players.

Nolan did stink but players are not off the hook and we need help on that DL big time.

Carson · Jan 12, 2021

reddyuta said:
I am not optimistic,we simply dont have the players to run his Defense,i think our D may be somehow worse next season.

We need to hit on 3 positions and I think we will be fine

1 tech
Corner
Safety

If we can draft Surtain/Farley, get a 1 tech in the draft and sign a guy like Keanu Neal, the defense should be able to get in the 10-15 range.

Doomsday101 · Jan 12, 2021

SeanLee50 said:
We need to hit on 3 positions and I think we will be fine

1 tech
Corner
Safety

If we can draft Surtain/Farley, get a 1 tech in the draft and sign a guy like Keanu Neal, the defense should be able to get in the 10-15 range.

I agree, I do think CB will be addressed in the 1st with either Surtain or Farley because. Dallas will likely lose some player in the secondary in FA making that position even more important to address and were we are in the draft will likely get put us in position to get 1 of these guys.

LACowboysFan1 · Jan 12, 2021

While I'm not making any apologies for Nolan, it's just possible his scheme would work, but due to the lack of prep time because of Covid he just didn't have the time with the players he needed. The defense was so bad it's a stretch to say it was the lack of off season time with the players, just noting that we'll never know, he's gone.

Back to "hoping" for a better defense next year...

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