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Legion of Doom or Legion of Doomsday. Either works..
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Can we have a Legion of Boom Defense too?
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it takes talent. and that talent comes through the draft. we haven't drafted well defensively. we may end up better defense than with Nolan, where all the players were confused most of the time. we may end up a bend but don't break defense if we can't address the front 4.Now that we have Dan Quinn one of the engineers from the dominate Legion Of Boom Defensive patrol , what would it take for us to have our own version of the Legion of Boom Defense ?
what positions and elements are we still missing to eventually make our case for a Legion of Boom
Defense ?
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Dallas? Legion of Boom defense? Pfff.... pfff.... BAHAHAHAHA. Ain’t no WAY. Only in Jerry’s most promiscuous dreams will that ever happen. Our players wouldn’t even belong on the bench the Legion of Boom sat on. Nothing will make our defense “Legion of Boom” unless you put an actual bomb on field.
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Does anyone really think Dallas is willing to put in the amount of work it takes to create a dominant defense? It won't be the sexy draft to focus on defense, it won't be to help his 40 million dollar QB stay clean in the pocket or score TD's to be watched by millions.
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Like Jimmy commented on Fox, they haven't invested much in the defense and it shows. We lost our lone first round pick to injury last year and he wasn't setting any records before that. However, I did think that Diggs had first round talent and was a steal in the second.
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Hope springs eternal.
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4 of the 7 from the 2020 draft class were defensive players. Most of the FAs, albeit none of them hit really, were defensive players.
Also, in my honest opinion, If Dallas continues to try and churn out 5 All-Pro offensive lineman and ignore the defense entirely.. their defense will continue to struggle keeping up.
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yes, you're right as I've always believed the nucleus core and bulk of your player personnel talent should come thru the NFL draft,.. and you're right also in that we have not invested enough defensively and
have come up short per draft when it comes to helping out our defense.
But the NFL draft is not the only way to acquire player talent. and we should not rely totally on that area to acquire talent.
Even in free agency - where we have failed miserably- per Stephen Jones we just don't go after big name stud vets, Stephen Gilmore, Tyranny Mathieu, Calasis Campbell, Logan Ryan,
we've missed a number of gem targets because we prefer the bargain based route.
-I'm afraid that this area will not change under Stephen Jones, and it puts vast more pressure on McClay to come up with hidden gem diamonds in the rough.
I don't mind a chance on cheap risk ala Aldon Smith, Gerald McCoy or Dontario Poe but I don't want to rely totally on them to get us over the hump.
- The other aspect is key trades - ala Robert Quinn, Amari Cooper, for what it's worth, i'm not one for trading the farm for a Jamal Adams. That's just me, but not for a guy that's
really a mini-LB and only makes biggest impression comes around the line of scrimmage. I strongly prefer a prime safety that affects the entire field vs just around the line.
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I hope this is true... I will believe it when I see it.
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How we are close:
I think this hire makes Earl Thomas an option in FA...
I think Trevon Diggs fits the mold of that prototypical Seattle CB from those teams.
We have some good rushers off the edge.
Maybes:
How does Neville Gallimore progress?
Does Trysten Hill come back healthy and continue to progress?
Can LVE get back to form?
Big issues:
Second and third CB.
Safeties.
LB.
Cover 1 and 3 were the primary defenses used... nothing fancy but it takes talent. I don't know if we have it on this defense.
I think this hire makes Earl Thomas an option in FA...
I think Trevon Diggs fits the mold of that prototypical Seattle CB from those teams.
We have some good rushers off the edge.
Maybes:
How does Neville Gallimore progress?
Does Trysten Hill come back healthy and continue to progress?
Can LVE get back to form?
Big issues:
Second and third CB.
Safeties.
LB.
Cover 1 and 3 were the primary defenses used... nothing fancy but it takes talent. I don't know if we have it on this defense.
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RDE – Gregory
3 tech – Hill (Gallimore)
1 tech - ??
LDE – Dlaw
WLB - LVE
MLB – Jaylon
SLB - ??
LCB – Diggs
SS - Wilson
FS - ??
RCB - Brown
Quinn has to deliver us a strong run defense. Something even Marinelli nor Nolan were able to do .
And our greatest weakness is easily our interior DTs, .. I’m letting Hill vs Gallimore battle it out for 3 tech, while I acquire me a top notch 1 tech or two.
Something is gonna have to be done about Jaylon – I still see him as a liability in any scheme.
Will Quinn return Jaylon back to middle LB and move LVE back to OLB ?
I'm not for re-signing Aldon Smith to a big contract - who totally flamed out early and left a question about motor and effort
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According to the SEA GM, Carroll was responsible for selecting Chancellor, Sherman and Thomas and his first love in coaching was the secondary.
Doesn't mean Quinn can't coach talent and unlike Richard, he was hired away by ATL. I never got the Richard love when his own D minded HC didn't want him.
Doesn't mean Quinn can't coach talent and unlike Richard, he was hired away by ATL. I never got the Richard love when his own D minded HC didn't want him.
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Assuming we provide personnel talent to the D" unit, who will be the assistant position coaches Quinn will bring in to best scheme and place those players in position to make plays ?
Excluding Raheem Morris (who was DC) ..these are the guys that Quinn had as position coaches on his ATL defensive unit:
DL coach Josh Lupoi
DT coach Jess Simpson
LB Jeff Ulbrich
DB Joe Whitt Jr.
Does George Edwards return and run the LBs unit over Scott Lurely ? (a McCarthy buddy) But unlike Kris Richard, hopefully we allow Quinn to bring in his guys vs forcing
certain leftover assistants on him.
Schematic wise- hopefully Quinn offers multiple looks in the front seven as well as come coverage variations.
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I'd be worried about the LB position almost as much as the interior DL. If Quinn's defense is similarly "simple" enough that both LVE and Jaylon get back to being good, that would help. Otherwise, Dallas is in trouble.
Then of course there's the CB's, where Dallas has..Diggs? They might bring Chido back on a similar to Brown cheap deal, maybe a one year prove it type. Then what? Maybe a rookie in Surtain/Farley, sure. The depth looks questionable there as well.
That's not even considering Wilson possibly being a flash in the pan, or the non-existent FS Dallas has either. Maybe the Robinson experiment plays out over the next few years, but if not?
The D in Dallas is in some serious turmoil, there's going to need to be some amazing hits in the draft AND free agency to keep them from being bottom 5 again.
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Well first and foremost you need a GM. Haven't had one of those in these parts since Jerry purchased the team.
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Jaylon Smith = Bobby Wagner
*Check the tackle totals bro!
*Check the tackle totals bro!
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The biggest key to protecting your LBs is having big bodies in front of them to allow them to flow free to the action with less interference and traffic.
you have to have capable bodies to clog the middle, otherwise your LBs get stuck and hooked and mauled out of the pathway and they get battered and worn down.
If you've heard the old cliché , it all starts upfront in the trenches, ..that' saying still tends to stand firm on any team, any game.
And it wasn't just Nolan's crew that has been mauled - but even Marinelli's crew as well as we've seen most notably vs Colts reg season and Rams playoff game.
- And if you've seen Jaylon, he is not one for taking on blocks successfully. The less blocking interference he has to take on, the more it benefits him. He simply has to placed in
position where he can flow straight ahead with stopping to shed blocks.
- And the more physical tasks and pounding LVE has to take on., the more he is gonna wear down - and get hurt. I'm beginning to think (and expect) he's always gonna miss a number of games with injuries.