Bama/Ohio St. Prospect Takeaway

Daygoboy6191 · Jan 12, 2021

darthseinfeld said:
I think a weak top class is going to have Nixon and Barmore going in the first IMO. Being strong pass rushers, both would have always been 1st round candidates. But not having elite talent at the position makes it more likely IMO

Which I agree with, but I wouldn't take him until late 1st or early 2nd.
If a team like the Jets want to move up and send us an extra second and some change I am all for moving back to 23 and taking him there but I cannot take him at 10.

Doomsday101 · Jan 12, 2021

CalPolyTechnique said:
BS.

They did throw at him in the first half while the game was competitive.

I get it, you like Surtain. I do too.

That said, you don’t have to try and make it sound like he completely shutdown one side of the field and was untested at all.

I watched the game as well and they were not going after Surtain they did attack the other side but no they were not spending time on Surtain. As for a shutdown I don't care what you call him fact is teams avoided going after Surtain though out the season and OSU did not go after him much at all. This game was over before halftime hell it was 35 to 17 at half and OSU would only score 7 after halftime

LACowboysFan1 · Jan 12, 2021

darthseinfeld said:
I personally like Gallimore at 1T spots. He has alot of power and linear burst. I think he will be a better pass rusher from that spot than at a 3T. You aren't playing him there on run downs, but on pass he can cause alot of havoc

Barmore is listed at 305 lbs. Most 1T position players go more like 325-330 lbs. There are exceptions like Donald, but Barmore is no Donald, at least at this point. Donald had 9 sacks and made the Pro Bowl his first year, despite being "undersized" at DT and not even starting every game.

In any event I agree there appears to be talent there, wouldn't be too upset if he was drafted at 10 but I rather he wasn't taken that early...

darthseinfeld · Jan 12, 2021

LACowboysFan1 said:
Barmore is listed at 305 lbs. Most 1T position players go more like 325-330 lbs. There are exceptions like Donald, but Barmore is no Donald, at least at this point. Donald had 9 sacks and made the Pro Bowl his first year, despite being "undersized" at DT and not even starting every game.

In any event I agree there appears to be talent there, wouldn't be too upset if he was drafted at 10 but I rather he wasn't taken that early...

I didn't say I see Barmore as a 1T. I said I see Gallimore as a 1T on passing downs. Those 325-330 1T's, unless they are elite, usually come off the field on passing downs

I don't see Gallimore as a legitimate pass rushing 3T. Too linier an athlete

CalPolyTechnique · Jan 12, 2021

Doomsday101 said:
I watched the game as well and they were not going after Surtain they did attack the other side but no they were not spending time on Surtain. As for a shutdown I don't care what you call him fact is teams avoided going after Surtain though out the season and OSU did not go after him much at all. This game was over before halftime hell it was 35 to 17 at half and OSU would only score 7 after halftime

In 2020, Surtain allowed a reception on just 44.2% of his targets, equating to a 66.5 passer rating allowed when targeted. He’s yet to allow more than 60 receiving yards in a game this season while conceding just two touchdowns.

LACowboysFan1 · Jan 12, 2021

darthseinfeld said:
I didn't say I see Barmore as a 1T. I said I see Gallimore as a 1T on passing downs. Those 325-330 1T's, unless they are elite, usually come off the field on passing downs

I don't see Gallimore as a legitimate pass rushing 3T. Too linier an athlete

Right just noting that Barmore isn't really suited to 1T, in case somebody here was thinking that...

CalPolyTechnique · Jan 12, 2021

LACowboysFan1 said:
Barmore is listed at 305 lbs. Most 1T position players go more like 325-330 lbs. There are exceptions like Donald, but Barmore is no Donald, at least at this point. Donald had 9 sacks and made the Pro Bowl his first year, despite being "undersized" at DT and not even starting every game.

In any event I agree there appears to be talent there, wouldn't be too upset if he was drafted at 10 but I rather he wasn't taken that early...

I see Barmore listed at 311 lbs and given the fact he has a 6’-5” frame I don’t imagine adding 10-15 lbs is too difficult.

CalPolyTechnique · Jan 12, 2021

Should also add Bama RB Najee Harris.

Absolutely love this dude. Reminds me of a more physical Matt Forte. Hard runner with outstanding receiving skills.

*Sucks we didn’t get to see Trevor Sermon last night

darthseinfeld · Jan 12, 2021

CalPolyTechnique said:
I see Batmore listed at 311 lbs and given the fact he has a 6’-5” frame I don’t imagine adding 10-15 lbs is too difficult.

He is also only. I could see that as well once he is 22-23. Muhammad Wilkerson is a guy I have been comping him too. Once he is fully developed, he is a guy who should be able to effectively attack from any gap on the DL. Ryans Jets defense worked because of Revis and the ability to use Wilkerson to exploit any weak spot on the DL

Avery · Jan 12, 2021

Wilson still feels a bit like an athlete playing QB to me. I'm not sure why he fastballs so many balls unecessarily such as the missed 4th down conversion late in the game.

The most interesting draft story will land with NYJ if they take a QB and if they think Fields or Wilson is the guy. I don't think either will slip past ATL.

Bizwah · Jan 12, 2021

Surtain did have a big boy corner play. He fought off a block and made a tackle for loss. Impressive for a CB to do.

J-man · Jan 12, 2021

Surtain showed pretty much what I thought about him, very good CB, but maybe a step slow.
Barmore showed me more as run defender than I thought he had. He would be a decent 2rd pick to pair with Gallimore inside.

I think the best osu player Sermon got hurt early.
Fields is a very scary prospect to me, I see big possibility to bust within 3 years.

I think there are a couple guys that we aren't talking about, Harris and Jones, who IHO both looked very good and probably helped their draft stock significantly. Not that I want Dallas to draft either of them, just sayin.

LACowboysFan1 · Jan 12, 2021

Avery said:
Wilson still feels a bit like an athlete playing QB to me. I'm not sure why he fastballs so many balls unecessarily such as the missed 4th down conversion late in the game.

The most interesting draft story will land with NYJ if they take a QB and if they think Fields or Wilson is the guy. I don't think either will slip past ATL.

Hey fine with me, have Lawrence, Fields, Wilson and Lance go 1-2-3-4.

Better chance we get an impact defensive player....

CalPolyTechnique · Jan 12, 2021

Bizwah said:
Surtain did have a big boy corner play. He fought off a block and made a tackle for loss. Impressive for a CB to do.

That stuff is undervalued too. Every dominate defense typically features corners that can tackle.

Diggs’ tackling (or willingness) was one of things I was most happy about seeing because there were question marks coming out of college.

Avery · Jan 12, 2021

LACowboysFan1 said:
Hey fine with me, have Lawrence, Fields, Wilson and Lance go 1-2-3-4.

Better chance we get an impact defensive player....

Yep, no doubt. It's possible to create scenarios where one of Parsons/Surtain/Farley aren't on the board at 10 with the strength of QB and two legit WO's in the top ten, but the cards would need to line up against us.

I think Lance is going to be surprise some people and give some Josh Allen vibes as the knock on him was also competition, but I think he's a comparable match (albeit a teensy-bit smaller).

J-man · Jan 12, 2021

Avery said:
Wilson still feels a bit like an athlete playing QB to me. I'm not sure why he fastballs so many balls unecessarily such as the missed 4th down conversion late in the game.

The most interesting draft story will land with NYJ if they take a QB and if they think Fields or Wilson is the guy. I don't think either will slip past ATL.

I don't think the Jets take a QB, unless the Jags some how pass on Trevor, which is not going to happen.
I guess the Jets trade down a spot or two.
I think Atlanta or possibly Miami will try to move up to take Wilson. I think it will be Atlanta to make the move.
Miami will be the team to decide Fields' fate and I think they pass on him vs Tua and take Devonta Smith, or Sewell
Either way the Jets still get one of the 2 best player in the draft in Sewell or Smith.

Daygoboy6191 · Jan 12, 2021

LACowboysFan1 said:
Hey fine with me, have Lawrence, Fields, Wilson and Lance go 1-2-3-4.

Better chance we get an impact defensive player....

I hope 1 of those QB's fall and someone is enamored with him and we can trade back.

Bigdog · Jan 12, 2021

Thanks for doing this. It is nice to see what people think especially from previous or present football coaches. As far as Wade is concern I agree but Devonte Smith can do that to a lot of people.

Sydla · Jan 13, 2021

CalPolyTechnique said:
This was an exciting matchup with a ton of prospects to watch. This list isn’t exhaustive but here’s my takeaway on some of the players I keyed in on:

Patrick Surtain II
If anyone declares he shutdown Chris Olave they are talking out their rear. Surtain wasn’t covering Olave exclusively. That said, he had a solid game and didn’t give up any big plays. He missed a potential INT in the end zone on a ball that was deflected. He did also get wrecked on a shallow out in the end zone but Fields sailed the ball and flat-out missed the gimme TD. All-in-all I thought he played pretty well and didn’t change my mind on him as a prospect one way or the other. The Combine will be crucial.

Christian Barrimore
Big-bodied DT with a strong motor and pass rush ability. He won the Defensive Player of the Game with 7 tackles, 1 sack, and 2 TFL. This prospect worries me more than some others because he’s tough to evaluate based on relatively limited sample size especially if you’re considering him at #10.

Justin Fields
Fields struggled once again. I actually think he got away with some bad throws against Clemson despite the results. This wasn’t the way he needed to finish out his career. He missed on a number of throws that didn’t have a high level of difficulty. He still goes in the 1st round but I’m not sure if he’s the consensus QB2 still.

Shawn Wade
I do not see Wade as a starter early in his career. He looks best suited for the slot. He was absolutely wrecked on a few passes in the first half. To his credit he was an active tackler and came back and competed to register a couple of PBUs. I don’t think he has the) speed to be viable on the outside. Looked like a 3rd round prospect to me.

Fields stinks again!

visionary · Jan 13, 2021

This game told me very little about Surtain

the reason Olave didn’t get much is because he’s the deep guy and the Bama DL dominated the OSU OL. If anything this game highlighted that we should ignore CB early in the draft and take front 7 players

my preference would be to trade down to 18-20 range and take Zaven Collins and then try to get back into the button of RD1 and take Barmore or Nixon to play 3T

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