Do you like the hiring of Dan Quinn?

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I feel the same way about this hire as I felt about that one. There are some reasons for optimism, but also some for pessimism. Obviously, with Nolan, the reasons for pessimism won out. I hope it will be different with Quinn, but I'll take another wait and see approach.

Realistically, I don't think there's any coach we could hire where there wouldn't be some doubt. Either it's an assistant to a very good DC where we don't know if he can have that same kind of success. Or it's a college DC where we don't know if his success will translate to the pros. Or maybe a DC or head coach, like in this case, who was let go by his team but had success elsewhere ... under a defensive-minded head coach.

The part that gives me hope with Quinn is that after leaving Seattle, where his success was under defensive-minded head coach Pete Carroll, he had at least limited defensive success with Atlanta in 2016 and 2017. His defense was eighth in points allowed in 2017 and in the playoffs both years, his defenses held two opponents to 15 points or fewer (2017) and two others to 21 or fewer (2016). Several here bring up the blown lead to New England, but don't consider how his defense played to help them reach the Super Bowl.

That being said, it's also hard to ignore the past few years where his defenses have been spotty at best and terrible at worst. Not having examined his teams, I can't say exactly why he's had that downturn, but I hope it's more of a personnel issue than a coaching one. (Of course, I don't know if we're going to provide him with any better personnel here.)

The hire will ultimately come down to the draft and free agency and whether we can upgrade the talent on defense. With all the free agents/scrubs we have defensively we’ll likely be adding several new players.
 

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The hire will ultimately come down to the draft and free agency and whether we can upgrade the talent on defense. With all the free agents/scrubs we have defensively we’ll likely be adding several new players.

No doubt we'll add several new players, but if the Joneses hold true to form, it will be players on the downhill slope who don't cost too much or have shown a slight amount of potential, but not enough to draw a big contract. Most of those players are low-cost risks, but don't pan out to be anything other than rotational depth at best. We need some bona fides.
 

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“They’re going to get a really high-energy guy with Pete Carroll-type energy. I think he really benefited from his time in Seattle. He’s a specialist with coaching the defensive line; that’s his trade."

But you have to have the four-man pass rush. That’s just a fact with this defense. You’re not manufacturing it with some odd blitz. You have to have that or else you’re going to rank 24th on defense, just like Atlanta did.

-Mike Sando

If Quinn pushes for DT's early and often in the draft/FA then I like him.

If we aren't blitzing, then we need 4 good DL. Not two punching bags at DT and two good DEs.
 

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I think this move was all about:
  • trying to get Jaylon and LVE back to the their comfort zone
  • realizing that they overstepped in trying to make the average D from 2019 better - all that was truly needed was better personnel at DT and DB + disguising coverages better
More than anything, I hope Quinn PRESSES & EMPHASIZES to the FO that the Safety position (especially FS) is one of (if not THE) most important position to make this type of D work well. If Quinn is truly given power during the draft, I can see him looking at DT's like Nixon, Barmore, Twyman (3T's) and/or Tuefele, McNeil, or Togai (1T's).
 
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MM is also known for being lazy and having a low football IQ. He didn’t coach an impressive game all year. I honestly think Garrett would have won more games.

Nothing at all impressive. Didn’t even seem to get angry at referees when they were blowing clear calls. The fake punt inside our own territory against the Commanders which completely flipped the game was one of the worst I’ve ever seen. The first game against the Eagles when he let Moore have the WRs play QB multiple times, with DeNucci lines up at WR and the multiple snaps to Zeke in an empty backfield, like Zeke us gonna do anything but run.. I mean what exactly was he doing when Moore was explaining the game plan?
 

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Yes..with the caveat it all hinges on who we name as the dline coach. THAT is where we need a great coach. Can we all realize too, we need to cut loose Leon Lett? The guy hasnt helped us. How does he keep getting rehired year after year? SERIOUSLY.
That is Quinn's specialty and what he is known for.
 

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^^ THIS. One doesn't work without the other. It still takes gritty smart players in the trenches on D. WE currently are void of that, except an up and coming Gallimore. That is it. Gallimore,Diggs and wilson are the building blocks on D.Everyone else needs to be blown out and put on notice. My hunch is Quinn will do so in short order.

I agree but I like Lawrence and Gregory as well.
 

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I agree but I like Lawrence and Gregory as well.

I agree I like the DE we have, I think it is hard to pass rush when you can't just cut these guys loose because instead they are concerned about stopping the run. I don't mean to sound like a broken record but we you can't stop the run it has an effect on the entire defense. You are always playing from a down and distance disadvantage. As for Gallimore I though he did a good job for a rookie and the experience he got by playing the 2nd half of the season hopefully pays off as h enters his 2nd season but we need someone next to him and Poe was a complete waste of time and Woods as a rotation guy is fine but not a guy I want to get majority of snaps to.
 

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No doubt we'll add several new players, but if the Joneses hold true to form, it will be players on the downhill slope who don't cost too much or have shown a slight amount of potential, but not enough to draw a big contract. Most of those players are low-cost risks, but don't pan out to be anything other than rotational depth at best. We need some bona fides.

With the salary cap likely going down and having to re-sign Dak they may have no choice but to add low to mid tier free agents who are either washed up or are average players. The best chance to add quality defensive players is through the draft but that could take several years.
 

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With the salary cap likely going down and having to re-sign Dak they may have no choice but to add low to mid tier free agents who are either washed up or are average players. The best chance to add quality defensive players is through the draft but that could take several years.

I don't think the cap will affect them that much. Even with paying Dak franchise money this year, they had the money and the ability to create more to sign a couple of upper-tier players if they wanted. The Joneses just don't believe the risk is worth the price because if you miss, it's costly. I think that's the wrong mind-set. You have to be selective in FA and not just look to fill a need with whomever the best player at that position is (because that player might just be the best of a weak class). You have to match top-tier talent to your areas of need. if you have a need, but there's no top-tier talent, then you go cheap in FA and try to truly address the area in the draft if that's possible. Sometimes neither FA or the draft falls in your favor.
 

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H**l no he’s a clown we get a man corner now switch to zones what a joke
 

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I don't think the cap will affect them that much. Even with paying Dak franchise money this year, they had the money and the ability to create more to sign a couple of upper-tier players if they wanted. The Joneses just don't believe the risk is worth the price because if you miss, it's costly. I think that's the wrong mind-set. You have to be selective in FA and not just look to fill a need with whomever the best player at that position is (because that player might just be the best of a weak class). You have to match top-tier talent to your areas of need. if you have a need, but there's no top-tier talent, then you go cheap in FA and try to truly address the area in the draft if that's possible. Sometimes neither FA or the draft falls in your favor.

I would like to see a long term deal with Dak because it allows you to restructure to free up cap space and I think we likely will see some current players have deals restructured to free up more cap space. While they do expect a lower cap because of covid for next year I don't think it stays down beyond next year, not with a new TV contract taking place which is expected to double in size
 

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I don't think the cap will affect them that much. Even with paying Dak franchise money this year, they had the money and the ability to create more to sign a couple of upper-tier players if they wanted. The Joneses just don't believe the risk is worth the price because if you miss, it's costly. I think that's the wrong mind-set. You have to be selective in FA and not just look to fill a need with whomever the best player at that position is (because that player might just be the best of a weak class). You have to match top-tier talent to your areas of need. if you have a need, but there's no top-tier talent, then you go cheap in FA and try to truly address the area in the draft if that's possible. Sometimes neither FA or the draft falls in your favor.

If the cap goes down it’s going to affect us signing top-tier free agents who can make an impact. Top-tier free agents are grossly over paid and we aren’t likely to have the cap space. We usually don’t go after top-tier free agents anyway. We look for cheap low to mid tier free agents like Poe and Ha Ha Clinton Dix. We’re hoping we can get something out of them like we did with Robert Quinn in 2019. It seems like every player who’s on the decline looking for a one year prove it deal is on our wish list.
 
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I would like to see a long term deal with Dak because it allows you to restructure to free up cap space and I think we likely will see some current players have deals restructured to free up more cap space. While they do expect a lower cap because of covid for next year I don't think it stays down beyond next year, not with a new TV contract taking place which is expected to double in size

I think the plan is to get a long-term deal done with Dak this year. I don't think the urgency was there last year.
 

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Kris Richard should have been kept by the Cowboys as DC. That big blue M&M should have stayed in his basement in Green Bay with his worthless hiring of Mike Nolan as DC.

The Cowboys are a country club team. The worst kind of country club that only let coaches like Garrett, Kellen Moore, and now maybe Sean Lee gets that country club coaching treatment. Coaches like Kris Richard are not admitted to the Country Club.

Under Kris Richard, the Cowboys were 11-5 and 8-8 and he performed this while under constant attack by the "Grumpy Old Men" being Rob Marinelli and Jerry Jones. Gus Bradley and Dan Quinn did not turn around the Seahawks defense. Until the arrival of Pete Carroll, and Ken Norton Jr. with Kris Richards, who is a Dennis Thurman disciple, the Seahawks defense was below average coming off a 5-11 season. From 2010-2014 were the Legion of Boom glory days. After 2014 most of that legion of boom talent he developed was leaving (free agency/age), Kris Richards as defensive coordinator continued the defense with lest talent never to have a losing season and 2 playoff appearances in his three years as coordinator. Since he became a full time position coach and coordinator, 2012 to present, he has never had defense give a team a losing record.

Dan Quinn under Jerry Jones will not hire him (he sure will not come back to the same position). So I am hoping Robert Selah gets a HC job to give Kris Richard the opportunity he deserves as a defensive coordinator and eventual HC in the NFL.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...e-seahawks-nfl-coaching-candidate/6180895002/
 

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Kris Richard should have been kept by the Cowboys as DC. That big blue M&M should have stayed in his basement in Green Bay with his worthless hiring of Mike Nolan as DC.

The Cowboys are a country club team. The worst kind of country club that only let coaches like Garrett, Kellen Moore, and now maybe Sean Lee gets that country club coaching treatment. Coaches like Kris Richard are not admitted to the Country Club.

Under Kris Richard, the Cowboys were 11-5 and 8-8 and he performed this while under constant attack by the "Grumpy Old Men" being Rob Marinelli and Jerry Jones. Gus Bradley and Dan Quinn did not turn around the Seahawks defense. Until the arrival of Pete Carroll, and Ken Norton Jr. with Kris Richards, who is a Dennis Thurman disciple, the Seahawks defense was below average coming off a 5-11 season. From 2010-2014 were the Legion of Boom glory days. After 2014 most of that legion of boom talent he developed was leaving (free agency/age), Kris Richards as defensive coordinator continued the defense with lest talent never to have a losing season and 2 playoff appearances in his three years as coordinator. Since he became a full time position coach and coordinator, 2012 to present, he has never had defense give a team a losing record.

Dan Quinn under Jerry Jones will not hire him (he sure will not come back to the same position). So I am hoping Robert Selah gets a HC job to give Kris Richard the opportunity he deserves as a defensive coordinator and eventual HC in the NFL.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...e-seahawks-nfl-coaching-candidate/6180895002/
Kris Richard did so well he is home sitting on his couch.
 

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I think the plan is to get a long-term deal done with Dak this year. I don't think the urgency was there last year.

I think the money was right but length of deal the 2 sides could not agree. I think that may be less of an issue this season
 
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