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Yeah but all of jaylons is 7 yards down field.
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Can we have a Legion of Boom Defense too?
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Blackspider214
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Now that we have Dan Quinn one of the engineers from the dominate Legion Of Boom Defensive patrol , what would it take for us to have our own version of the Legion of Boom Defense ?
what positions and elements are we still missing to eventually make our case for a Legion of Boom
Defense ?
He didn't engineer anything. He took over Gus Bradley's defense. Bradley was a big name and got a HC job. Quinn simply road his coat tails like Switzer rode Jimmy's in the 90s. You are sadly mistaken if you think this clown is some mastermind. Did you see the crappy defenses in Atlanta? Yeah, get used to that here. He is a nobody unless he has stockpiled talent up and down the roster. We don't have one guy who could have started on that Seattle defense outside of maybe Lawrence. Many others could not even make their 2 deep.
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I could swear we tried the Legion of Boom stuff just a few years ago. Why would it work now with worse players?
I don't get this hire at all. This guy's defenses haven't been any good since he left Seattle.
Any DC is going to need about six or seven new good players to do anything. The defensive personnel here absolutely sucks.
I don't get this hire at all. This guy's defenses haven't been any good since he left Seattle.
Any DC is going to need about six or seven new good players to do anything. The defensive personnel here absolutely sucks.
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Perfect, I love it. That's why I enjoyed the *idea* of the DT acquisitions last year. Two big ol' boys to come in, help clog the run and act as a bridge for the younger guys. Obviously the product fell flat, one got injured and never took a snap and the other floundered..but the thought was there.
Dallas does the same this year, but picks some better candidates
, and brings in another young buck via the draft..they can start building there. I think Jaylon and LVE could hold up another year with a simple defense and a semi-decent dline.I also couldn't agree more with you about LVE, he's seemingly becoming Sean Lee Jr., I'm hoping it's just a fluke.
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I agree....in 44 defensive players drafted since 2005, we have hit on one impact player in Lawrence and one very good player in Jones (left via FA). that's dismall record. and its not just lower rounds, its missing on 1st and 2nd rounders mostly, with the likes of Claiborne, Taco, etc.yes, you're right as I've always believed the nucleus core and bulk of your player personnel talent should come thru the NFL draft,.. and you're right also in that we have not invested enough defensively and
have come up short per draft when it comes to helping out our defense.
But the NFL draft is not the only way to acquire player talent. and we should not rely totally on that area to acquire talent.
Even in free agency - where we have failed miserably- per Stephen Jones we just don't go after big name stud vets, Stephen Gilmore, Tyranny Mathieu, Calasis Campbell, Logan Ryan,
we've missed a number of gem targets because we prefer the bargain based route.
-I'm afraid that this area will not change under Stephen Jones, and it puts vast more pressure on McClay to come up with hidden gem diamonds in the rough.
I don't mind a chance on cheap risk ala Aldon Smith, Gerald McCoy or Dontario Poe but I don't want to rely totally on them to get us over the hump.
- The other aspect is key trades - ala Robert Quinn, Amari Cooper, for what it's worth, i'm not one for trading the farm for a Jamal Adams. That's just me, but not for a guy that's
really a mini-LB and only makes biggest impression comes around the line of scrimmage. I strongly prefer a prime safety that affects the entire field vs just around the line.
and you are right, we have also been dismal, awful in FA. some blame it on cap, etc. but this year alone we signed 4 players who didn't make it to mid season, and we could have kept Jones instead. we have signed crazy dude like Hardy, that cost a lot and they were total disaster.
for whatever reason, we are not good at defensive evaluation...and I think its organizational culture from the top. Jerry markets, sells, and offense sells seats and jersey's....defense doesn't. nobody will by a 1T DT jersey that does the dirty work and occupies 2 OL men......but people will buy RB, QB, WR, TE jersey's.....
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If we somehow manage to get an elite FS, and elite SS, an elite CB, an elite LB, and good-to-great players everywhere on the DL, then sure.
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Now that we have Dan Quinn one of the engineers from the dominate Legion Of Boom Defensive patrol , what would it take for us to have our own version of the Legion of Boom Defense ?
what positions and elements are we still missing to eventually make our case for a Legion of Boom
Defense ?
We don't need that with our offense.
A Legion of Explosions of in the Distance will suffice.
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In Pete Carroll's first season with Seattle (2010), they had the 27th ranked defense in terms of yards. That was with a rookie Earl Thomas, a 10-sack edge rusher Chris Clemons, and some serviceable starters at LB and CB (Lofa Tatupu and Marcus Trufant)
In 2011, that's when they started making big strides and jumped to the 9th ranked defense in yards. Kam Chancellor became a starter and both him and Earl made their first Pro Bowl. Richard Sherman also became a rookie starter. Maybe most importantly, up front, they brought in a big DT Alan Branch (6'6" 350) and started him on the DL with Red Bryant (6'5" 326) and Brandon Mebane (6'1" 311). Chris Clemons was still their leading pass rusher with 11 sacks.
In 2012, that's when they really started becoming a top defense and improved to the 4th ranked. They kept the same defense from 2011 but added Bobby Wagner and Bruce Irvin at LB.
Shore up the DL up front with beef and then secure the back end with good safeties. Then, you can fill in the blanks at CB and LB.
In 2011, that's when they started making big strides and jumped to the 9th ranked defense in yards. Kam Chancellor became a starter and both him and Earl made their first Pro Bowl. Richard Sherman also became a rookie starter. Maybe most importantly, up front, they brought in a big DT Alan Branch (6'6" 350) and started him on the DL with Red Bryant (6'5" 326) and Brandon Mebane (6'1" 311). Chris Clemons was still their leading pass rusher with 11 sacks.
In 2012, that's when they really started becoming a top defense and improved to the 4th ranked. They kept the same defense from 2011 but added Bobby Wagner and Bruce Irvin at LB.
Shore up the DL up front with beef and then secure the back end with good safeties. Then, you can fill in the blanks at CB and LB.
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yeah we need to draft or Sign a 2 Gap Plugger for the 1 Tech and a FS who has range and ball hawking skills, if my memory serves me correctly i believe his defense needed a BIG SDE ie someone to hold 2 Gaps on the strong side, so that would move DLaw to the LEO (rush) position and then you can move Gregory to SLB to rush the passer.
but yes we have some plugging to do weather its FA or DRAFT or both.
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LOL the Legion of Boom was built with pot smoking losers who spent more time suspended than playing?
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Just as it's said that Legion of Boom is more Pete Carroll's defense scheme than it is Bradley, Quinn, Richard or Norton's defensive scheme.
Actually as i hear it, the Legion of Boom term refers to secondary members of Earl T, Sherman and Chancelor it can be argued that Richard engineered the
Legion of Boom more than any defensive coach in Seattle.
As for your reference to ATL ,... the Vikes too had a crappy defense last year under Mike Zimmer, who supposedly considered a top defensive mind as well.
and i'm sure that's when a HC has to look at his asst coaches and player personnel and even within himself to see what adjustment/changes he needs to make
with his scheme and philosophy.,
I don't get the Switzer comparisons., as Swiss never called the plays on defense or offense. Quinn called the plays on defense per Seattle Hawks, not Carroll.
and I tend to think Diggs could have been better than Brandon Browner or Jeremy Lane, ..
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I'm trying to recall the Hawks big bodies in the interior and how effective they were
I can only recall one incumbent 1 tech in Brandon Mebane, .
DT Rocky Bernard (who had 11 sacks at one season) was their most effective 3 tech pass rush type,..
Boom defense may be simplistic in general but i'd like to think a legit DC will want to implement variations
within the trenches such as Dlaw taking a Jason Tuck type role vs OG in a switch up,
I've already seen a few videos that shows multiple fronts and looks along the front seven in this Boom defense.
(ala Michael Bennett moved inside on nickel rushes)
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Why try to replicate that defense?
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I actually think they saw the opposite. They know the guys are good so they fired Nolan and brought in someone who runs what they were doing before.
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I don't think it's true that the legion of boom is Richards. Richard came from USC as a Carroll hire. He was grad assistant there. He came to Seattle as an Assistant DB Coach. He was basically running drills for the DB Coach. But the point here is that Richard was running Carroll's scheme from the time he got into the NFL to today, basically. Carroll is the guy who is responsible for the Legion of Boom IMO.