PPF: Dak's contract projection

jterrell

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I thought the rumor was 5 years, 35mil but no franchise tag, was a last second ditch by Prescott/France.

I doubt Dallas ever offered a 4 year deal, as that was one of their main holdups.
Correct. My statement was France's last offer which was 4 years at 34.5 was what they would accept.
France never offered 5 years but Dak seemed amenable to the possibility then time ran out.
The deadline didn't make the deal.
And Dallas has to stop thinking in terms of 1989 and realize who has what leverage then react accordingly.
 

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Correct. My statement was France's last offer which was 4 years at 34.5 was what they would accept.
France never offered 5 years but Dak seemed amenable to the possibility then time ran out.
The deadline didn't make the deal.
And Dallas has to stop thinking in terms of 1989 and realize who has what leverage then react accordingly.

It was pushed by his agent for 1 reason last year and that was it would give Dak a chance to double dip in the FA market, they know that the market values will increase big time once the TV deals are done. These TV contracts are expected to double in price from where it is today.
 

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I agree a lot of money but it is the market, People love claiming Dak is greedy? So is every other QB and player in the NFL who expects to get paid market value. Watson is Houston was paid that kind of money and we will see more QB this year getting that kind of money. Many Cowboy fans seem to think our players should never look to get paid in accordingly.



Oddly true.......they turn on them pretty fast after the 2nd deal is signed.
 

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Strictly talking about your prediction..., the guaranteed portion on this 4 year deal ($115 million fully guaranteed with $75 million at signing) comes out to around $18.75 million guaranteed average per year. If the Cowboys left the total (without guarantees) the same at $158 million, but added an extra year (from 4 years to a 5 year deal) while keeping the total guaranteed portion at $115 million but adding an extra $18.75 million to the fully guaranteed portion at signing of $75 million, thus upping the guaranteed at signing portion to roughly $94 million of guaranteed money, it would look something like this:

5 years, $158 million ($31.6M APY): $115M total guaranteed, $94 million fully guaranteed at signing.

Would this work and be better for both parties?
They aren't signing any deal at 31.6AAV unless Dak has serious injury concerns.

To buy the 5th year that 5th year would have to be at least 45M. Joel Corry explained that last year. Because the 5th year would be on the other side of the new broadcast rights deals where QBs will make over 50AAV.

BUT Dallas could make year 5 voidable in Dak's favor and spread the initial cap hit a little farther.
 

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It was pushed by his agent for 1 reason last year and that was it would give Dak a chance to double dip in the FA market, they know that the market values will increase big time once the TV deals are done. These TV contracts are expected to double in price from where it is today.
100% accurate.
 

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You would think getting it done wouldn't be that hard now......in fact, it's my understanding they can commence negotiation now but Stephen said last week he needed to see the new cap amount first.
It won't be long. The salary cap estimate in 2021 is $176 million, a decrease of $22.2 million or 11.2 percent from 2020.
 

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They aren't signing any deal at 31.6AAV unless Dak has serious injury concerns.

To buy the 5th year that 5th year would have to be at least 45M. Joel Corry explained that last year. Because the 5th year would be on the other side of the new broadcast rights deals where QBs will make over 50AAV.

BUT Dallas could make year 5 voidable in Dak's favor and spread the initial cap hit a little farther.
(In bold ^^^^): That was exactly my thinking due to Dak's injury. Wouldn't that be fair to both parties?
 

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With it costing $37.7 million to use the franchise tag again in 2021, the Cowboys, who have roughly $20 million in available cap space, might need to worry more about next season’s cap flexibility and give Prescott the four years he wants to make the money work for all parties now.
 

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Ummm, not accurate.
France left CAA which is the second biggest company and TOOK ALL HIS CLIENTS with him to the BIGGEST agency.
It was merely a money deal where France was basically a free agent.
France left his high powered clients cooling for a year ot make this move.
Now those new long term deals get signed under the new company.
It gave France the most leverage anyone has ever had over a scouting firm and he obviously got paid a great deal if not a flat %.

Dak's agreed to deal was just under 35M. And France had issues with bonus amount, how money was paid out and length of contract.
Dak got involved and was fine with total amount of ~34.5 AAV but wasn't signing just as is and they ran out of time.

Then what happened?? Dak went with France to the new agency. Same as the Bosas and his other massive name clientele.
France is the 3rd largest player roster with many of the biggest names and likely moves up to number 2 now that he has taken a lot of Sexton's guy with him.

If anything this year has taught Dak that France was 100% right.
The site tied to both agents and NFL teams has just suggested his market value is 5M AVV higher than the best prior deal offered AND for the 4 years he wanted all along.
France was never unreasonable.
Dak made 31.4 Million and returned to free agency.
No one with a brain thinks anyone lost here but hr Dallas Cowboys.






What you just said is inaccurate. Prescott has not committed to keep France as his agent and has talked with other agents but still has not signed with any agent.. Second France didn't start talking to AAF until CCA started questioning the way he handled Prescott's negotiations. When CCA finally fired him a couple weeks later he then went to AAF.
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Let me say this.......had a lot of time to think about but if for some reason Dak is still not signed ( means 2nd tag already applied) by draft day, I'm 100% in favor of using #10 pick on a QB and trading him. The reason being is after the draft and prohibited 3rd looming we will pretty lose ALL leverage AND any chance of compensation ( see Vikings and Cousins ). In other words, we know a 3rd tag isn't happening at $54-55M, so the only you keeping after the 2nd tag is pay ANYTHING he wants, otherwise, he walks, we get nothing, and there's not a damn we can do about it.
 

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I agree a lot of money but it is the market, People love claiming Dak is greedy? So is every other QB and player in the NFL who expects to get paid market value. Watson is Houston was paid that kind of money and we will see more QB this year getting that kind of money. Many Cowboy fans seem to think our players should never look to get paid in accordingly.

yeah I’m with you, I think the whole qb pay scale league wide has gotten out of control but it is what it is at this point
 

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yeah I’m with you, I think the whole qb pay scale league wide has gotten out of control but it is what it is at this point

But how why blame the players......their pay is tied to what 48% of league total revenues. Revenue go up, player salaries go up....not hard. When you mega-companies like Apple, Google, Amazon sitting on the sideline waiting for a piece of the pie, it's hard to blame the players.

BTW.....make no mistake, OWNERS are killing it too
 

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My guess is hey can use their adult brains and Dak will allow them a 5th year but one a 5th year that voids or reverts to player option under easily meetable circumstances.
But what this shows is the cost of waiting 1 year for Dallas was 5 MILLION dollars per year.
He was offered 34.5M last year and said yes if 4 years.

You have Lamar, Baker, Kyler, Kyle Allen... young guys are coming who will get franchise money and Dak's deal will either rise or already be signed and be surpassed.
The good news is new deals don't really have to cost you a fortune in cap money until 2-3 years later and buy then the cap will have risen a ton.
The article is just speculation. Let’s wait to see what happens before jumping to conclusions.
 

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i'd take 39 mil at this point because it's only going to get higher and higher the more we delay
 

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Dak's going to be 2nd highest paid quarterback in the NFL. BOOM!
 

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Yep that's cowboys for you, overpaying for mid tier talent. If they sign him for anything more than 34/yr they are making a huge mistake.
 

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That sounds about right but I'm guessing the APY will be closer to $38.5M but that's pulling strings. One thing I'm sure of, his APY floor is $37.7M ( amount of 2nd tag )

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-2021-free-agency-top-100-free-agents
1. QB DAK PRESCOTT
The prize of the free agent market, Prescott went down with an unfortunate injury after just four-plus games in 2020. With four full seasons under his belt, Prescott has finished in the top 10 of PFF grades twice while ranking closer to 20th in the other two seasons. However, Prescott’s 85.2 PFF grade this season would’ve been a career-best, and his 2019 and 2020 work is the most productive of his career.

From a macro view, Prescott’s play dipped as his supporting cast took a step back, but a revamped receiving corps has had Dallas’ offense moving the ball efficiently with Prescott at the helm. With solid accuracy, decision-making and mobility, he has proven capable of putting up high-end production, and he appeared on his way to establishing himself as an annual “top-eight” quarterback prior to his injury.

Contract Analysis: A second franchise tag would be valued at $37.7 million for Prescott, so the two sides finally agree to a long-term extension just above that on an annual basis.

Prediction: Cowboys sign Prescott for four years, $158 million ($39.5M APY): $115M total guaranteed, $75 million fully guaranteed at signing.

ahhh to be a QB in the NFL sheeessshhh
 

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That sounds about right but I'm guessing the APY will be closer to $38.5M but that's pulling strings. One thing I'm sure of, his APY floor is $37.7M ( amount of 2nd tag )

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-2021-free-agency-top-100-free-agents
1. QB DAK PRESCOTT
The prize of the free agent market, Prescott went down with an unfortunate injury after just four-plus games in 2020. With four full seasons under his belt, Prescott has finished in the top 10 of PFF grades twice while ranking closer to 20th in the other two seasons. However, Prescott’s 85.2 PFF grade this season would’ve been a career-best, and his 2019 and 2020 work is the most productive of his career.

From a macro view, Prescott’s play dipped as his supporting cast took a step back, but a revamped receiving corps has had Dallas’ offense moving the ball efficiently with Prescott at the helm. With solid accuracy, decision-making and mobility, he has proven capable of putting up high-end production, and he appeared on his way to establishing himself as an annual “top-eight” quarterback prior to his injury.

Contract Analysis: A second franchise tag would be valued at $37.7 million for Prescott, so the two sides finally agree to a long-term extension just above that on an annual basis.

Prediction: Cowboys sign Prescott for four years, $158 million ($39.5M APY): $115M total guaranteed, $75 million fully guaranteed at signing.

Could have had him for 35 last year. Jerry the moron will probably have to pay 37 now. Anything above that is getting ridiculous. If Jerry goes above that now then he has completely bumbled it all for nothing if he hasnt done it already.
 
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