Legion of Boom or Legion of Bumble?

CowboyRoy

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There will be no LoB in Dallas. We just don't have the players for it.

It really is a mystery how so many people get caught up in the DC. The talent on this defense is sooo bad it should be obvious what the big problems are. This defense has been bad to mediocre and horrid at turnovers for over a decade now with 3 to 4 different DC's. Cowboys have been blowing defensive draft picks forever.

Bring in Quinn, Nolan, whomever you want. Nothing is going to change until the Cowboys focus several drafts on the defense and hit on those picks. Last year appear to have nailed Diggs and Gallimore looks promising. Wilson is a gem that was rotting on the bench under Merinelli.

That is a good start. Surtain or Parsons or Farley would be a great addition to that defense for this year and a 2nd rounder at safety, DT, or Lber.
 

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I think Quinn will do just fine but I do think this notion we will be the legion of boom is a bit out of control. I'm not looking to emulate seattle, it is Quinn job as DC to take the personnel he has and work his defense around them. Of course we need up grades on D but we needed that before Quinn got here. Right now Quinn job is to take a bottom dwelling unit and make them respectable and with the Cowboys offense we can have success with a good defense and an excellent offense. For me that is the short term goal, long term of course Quinn job will to put together a top defense.
 

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Legion of Blunder
Legion of Blech
Legion of Bust
Legion of Boring
Legion of Blame
 

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I think Quinn will do just fine but I do think this notion we will be the legion of boom is a bit out of control. I'm not looking to emulate seattle, it is Quinn job as DC to take the personnel he has and work his defense around them. Of course we need up grades on D but we needed that before Quinn got here. Right now Quinn job is to take a bottom dwelling unit and make them respectable and with the Cowboys offense we can have success with a good defense and an excellent offense. For me that is the short term goal, long term of course Quinn job will to put together a top defense.
for sure reality's is seatle not even resembling seatle..


they have spent tons of money on FAs, trades, and brought in draft picks ie more aggressive then we have been and their defense was barely better then ours in 2020..seriously they were pretty bad

without the right players i dont care whos calling the defense.. many are saying it was Carroll's defense, well ok, howd they do last year? howd they do when we beat tem in that playoff game, i believe we scored a lot in that game..

reality talent above all else is what carry's a team, sure the right coaches make difference but ill take talent over coaches if forced into decision..

everyone's says give Quinn chance and yes right attitude however Nolan also needed more then one offseason, a bad FA pool,lots of injuries', and one draft to show improvement if he had been given 3 years maybe but hes the scapegoat and i can live with that...

but patience is needed for all around here..give it a shot..
 

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for sure reality's is seatle not even resembling seatle..


they have spent tons of money on FAs, trades, and brought in draft picks ie more aggressive then we have been and their defense was barely better then ours in 2020..seriously they were pretty bad

without the right players i dont care whos calling the defense.. many are saying it was Carroll's defense, well ok, howd they do last year? howd they do when we beat tem in that playoff game, i believe we scored a lot in that game..

reality talent above all else is what carry's a team, sure the right coaches make difference but ill take talent over coaches if forced into decision..

everyone's says give Quinn chance and yes right attitude however Nolan also needed more then one offseason, a bad FA pool,lots of injuries', and one draft to show improvement if he had been given 3 years maybe but hes the scapegoat and i can live with that...

but patience is needed for all around here..give it a shot..

I agree talent is key regradless of the scheme. Having said that Dallas is and has been a 4-3 for a while now, as for Nolan he was trying to impliment a more of a hybrid defense but problem was we had no time to get it implimented and pretty much tried to do so on the fly. It was not until later in the season when Nolan started to simplfy the defense that they showed some symblance of decent play. If he made one critical mistake it was putting in more than the players could adjust to in a short amount of time. Having historical poor play certainly did not help. This same defense the year before was not outstanding but they were not that bad as it looked this year. Going with Quinn is much closer to what they ran before Rod and Richard were doing before they were removed so this defense should have a clearer picture of this scheme
 

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Why haven't the Cowboys already given Aldon smith an extension?

There's likely a situation where they need to get together with him to discuss the terms that might apply. Just a guess on my part, tho.
 

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This is an offense first team in terms of how it was built, so I'm not expecting what he did out there in seattle. If we can get a competent defense while retaining this offense, then I'm fine with that.
 

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I agree talent is key regradless of the scheme. Having said that Dallas is and has been a 4-3 for a while now, as for Nolan he was trying to impliment a more of a hybrid defense but problem was we had no time to get it implimented and pretty much tried to do so on the fly. It was not until later in the season when Nolan started to simplfy the defense that they showed some symblance of decent play. If he made one critical mistake it was putting in more than the players could adjust to in a short amount of time. Having historical poor play certainly did not help. This same defense the year before was not outstanding but they were not that bad as it looked this year. Going with Quinn is much closer to what they ran before Rod and Richard were doing before they were removed so this defense should have a clearer picture of this scheme

agreed however a lot of guys from 2019 are gone and now 2020 about 20 FAs say more are gone. Those players running Richard/marinelli scheme are all but replaced outside of few..i guess it could help Jsmith, LVE, Dlaw and Gregory,..
 

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Hopefully Dan Quinn is a teacher because the defense needs one more so than a hard nose guy with an attitude

last year they looked like they didn’t know basic fundamentals of football, running backwards on run plays, Not filling gaps during the run and being confused pre snap

the defensive line against the run was the worst ive ever seen.....and pass defense was below average
 

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agreed however a lot of guys from 2019 are gone and now 2020 about 20 FAs say more are gone. Those players running Richard/marinelli scheme are all but replaced outside of few..i guess it could help Jsmith, LVE, Dlaw and Gregory,..

It is pretty the case around the NFL but you still have players on this team who know the defense and it falls to coachs and scouts to bring in players they feel can play within it. I think some are trying to over complicate a defense that is not overly complicated to begin with. It is 4-3 that yes will use cover 3 but not only cover 3 but man coverages and yes other zone coverages.
 

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although both ins co.'s have stupid commercials, progressive is just incredibly dumb to the point they make no sense.
Some are a little creepy with the people in white popping in !
So victory goes to mahomes and state farm.
The commercials of all state, progressive and Geico ( the worst hate the english lizard !!) means I would never use them.
 

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Dan Quinn.

I keep seeing a few narratives dominating the conversation, and I hate them all. I want to discuss that and hopefully you become as optimistic as I am. I could be wrong, but I think we got one here, guys.

Let's talk Quinn's history with Atlanta.

You cannot judge someone's capacity to be a coordinator in the NFL by his head coach history. This doesn't make sense, and there are many examples of people succeeding in one capacity but failing in another. He will be free to do so much more good work on the defense when all he is responsible for is the defense. That said, if you want to have a comparison, here's one.

Quinn was NFC Champion after 2016. Dallas hasn't won a conference title since January 1996. In 5 years, Quinn made it to the playoffs twice, with two losses, just like Dallas. He won 3. We won 1. Yes, Dan Quinn was embarrassed in the Super Bowl against Belichek and Brady. There's been a lot of very good coaches and players that lost, sometimes embarrassingly, to those two.

Atlanta at Dallas. Do you believe that you the HC should have to micromanage making sure that his ST unit knew the rules of onside kicks? Would you trust that your ST coaching staff made sure this was covered at some point? Are you going to judge his potential as a DC because one time as an HC his team looked awful on ST?

Some people are good coordinators, they take the next step, they never get it done. Quinn is one, and he still got farther than we ever do. These dumb things being brought up about Quinn's misteps as a HC in random comeback losses are just noise, generally inapplicable, and often ancient history at this point.

Now Seattle.

So what it if Quinn went to Seattle and was handed a good situation with good players all around. So what? You want to fault him for making the most of that opportunity? And let's be clear, that was a generational defense -- he made the most of that opportunity. Do you think anyone could have done that? Do you believe that all these guys in the Legion of Boom, they all just hit the ground that great and Quinn's schemes and coaching had nothing to do with it?

Give me a break. Under Quinn, they lived up to their potential. That is what you want to say about your coach.

Finally, the conversation revolving around that Legion of Boom and Dan Quinn bringing it here.

If you want to fantasize about this, feel free. But that was a generational defense. Say "Legion" to any NFL fan of the last decade and they know who. That roster likely had multiple hall of famers. It's not only unfair to make this an expectation of Quinn, but it's disrespectful to the LoB. I feel good about DLaw, Diggs, Gregory, and Gallimore. See the issue?

Beyond that, due to the offense, I don't think we can afford a Legion of Boom, or need one at all for that matter. Dak was on pace for a season from Madden last year. If Quinn can give this team a defense that's 16th in most categories, we will make noise. Quinn can do that.

I love the Quinn hire. Acknowledge the situation he is inheriting. Set reasonable expectations. Let the man do his job.

Das, out.
Legion Of Boomble.
 
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