Cowboys need to resign Dak before Baker and Josh Allen reset the market

ABQCOWBOY · Jan 13, 2021

88sAndHeartbreak said:
I said multiple times that Dak was ON PACE before injury for a 5k+ season.

You don't know what a smart, educated, and lucky draft/free agency is, but a discussion with ME is a fools arrand?!? LMAO... I've already told what it doesn't look like, the Giants and thier $100M defense a few years back.

"On Pace" means you haven't done it. That's it, nothing more.

No, I don't, just like I don't know what "ON PACE" is supposed to mean. But guess what, neither do you. That's fluff you throw out when you don't have an answer. So trying to discuss pie in the sky things like "ON PACE" or "Smart, educated, lucky draft/free agency" is a fools errand. It's all nebulous with nothing solid to base any conclusions on. Why waste the time or breath?

See, here's the thing, I never asked you what it doesn't look like. I asked you what it does look like. If you can answer that, perhaps we can discuss. At least at that point, there is actually something to talk about. If I wanted to discuss the Giants, I would probably be on a Giants board.

csirl · Jan 13, 2021

Why are people debating what money Dak should earn?

Surely the main issue is whether or not the QB can play at an elite level (and I mean carry a team if necessary). These days it is almost impossible to win a SB without a QB playing at elite level. Even if Dak plays for nothing - and to be honest, he played for nearly nothing for 4 years - he's not good enough to carry the team.

ABQCOWBOY · Jan 13, 2021

AmericanCowboy said:
Who exactly are we going to sign with the savings from not signing Dak.

Free agents are almost always overpaid, especially high priced ones. They almost never live up to the hype.

You want Justin Simmons at 17 million a year and Yannick Ngackoye (or however his last name is spelled) or Shaq Barrett at 18 million a year. Does not seem ever remotely worth it.

The fact is, having a great QB definitely helps your defense. Not only does it give them the confidence that allows them to play looser, but a QB who can command the game allows the defense time to rest. A QB who can have long, sustained drives is a huge help to the defense.

Who we sign is not up to me. That's up to the incoming staff but I'd imagine it would be personnel that fit whatever scheme we are moving to. For the record, I didn't throw any names out there, that's all you, right here.

The whole QB thing is all well and good but you can spend on Dak or you can spend on the rest of the team. If you don't have the right people around Dak to help him win, there will be no long sustained drives or anything like that. There will be a lot of three and outs, unless you are talking about the other team, who will likely be putting together drives against us. So no, I don't buy into any of what you are saying here.

88sAndHeartbreak · Jan 13, 2021

ABQCOWBOY said:
"On Pace" means you haven't done it. That's it, nothing more.

No, I don't, just like I don't know what "ON PACE" is supposed to mean. But guess what, neither do you. That's fluff you throw out when you don't have an answer. So trying to discuss pie in the sky things like "ON PACE" or "Smart, educated, lucky draft/free agency" is a fools errand. It's all nebulous with nothing solid to base any conclusions on. Why waste the time or breath?

See, here's the thing, I never asked you what it doesn't look like. I asked you what it does look like. If you can answer that, perhaps we can discuss. At least at that point, there is actually something to talk about. If I wanted to discuss the Giants, I would probably be on a Giants board.

If you see being on pace towards a goal as "pie in the sky", then making a smart, educated, or lucky moves means nothing to you. So why should I waste time having that discussion?

Now I can see why you want to move on from Dak, because you can't see his potential and probably never will. You want to throw money at super bowl defensive players and top picks. That dont always get the job done. Teams dont normally work well that way (Giants).

Patriots and Chiefs drafted thier SB teams for the most part.

ABQCOWBOY · Jan 13, 2021

RonnieT24 said:
The defense will get better by simply not asking them to adapt to a ridiculously overcomplicated system without OTAs, training camp and preseason. I firmly believe you could take the exact same personnel we ended the season with and be at least a middle of the pack defense with the simple change of having guys know what the hell they are supposed to be doing on any given play. The astronomical number of blown assignments we saw this season tells me that the guys simply did not grasp Nolan's system. The fact that Sean Lee got into a shouting match with one of the defensive coaches (was it Nolan?) about said system tells me all I need to know. Sean Lee may be the smartest defensive player in franchise history.. If your system confuses him then your system is wrong.. No absolutely NO QB is going to overcome a 36 ppg defense.. Thankfully I don't believe that's who this defense is without Nolan and/or his scheme screwing up their heads.

Yeah, this isn't right. You can't play a single gap scheme with a team who's personnel is suited to play two gap responsibilities and expect them to last or be efficient IMO. I mean, you can throw them out there but the results are still going to be poor. I agree with you that any time being able to teach the system in OTAs or training camp and preseason will certainly help, no question about that but there are real physical differences between these two player fits. What will happen is that we will sustain injuries because the DL won't hold up, they won't be physically capable of protecting the LBs and the injuries will mount there as well. This will hamper the ability of the secondary to cover because they use LBs in coverage in that scheme and it will cascade. That's what will happen.

ABQCOWBOY · Jan 13, 2021

88sAndHeartbreak said:
If you see being on pace towards a goal as "pie in the sky", then making a smart, educated, or lucky moves means nothing to you. So why should I waste time having that discussion?

Now I can see why you want to move on from Dak, because you can't see his potential and probably never will. You want to throw money at super bowl defensive players and top picks. That dont always get the job done. Teams dont normally work well that way (Giants).

Patriots and Chiefs drafted thier SB teams for the most part.

I see you coming on this board and using it as justification as pie in the sky. Part of throwing for 5K yards is actually doing it.

I told you in like the second point, that this discussion was pointless to have. Now, you've finally realized that what I told you is true. Congratulations.

You can't see a damn thing. You've been on this board for like 5 minutes. Don't try and tell me what you see. I've had these discussions with other posters for years. You have no idea. Give your opinion, I'm cool with that, discuss it but don't try and tell me what you think you know. You don't know me.

FortyFiveYearFan · Jan 13, 2021

Cowboys need to apply the transition tag to Dak to see if some other team will be dumb enough to give us draft picks to overpay him.

88sAndHeartbreak · Jan 13, 2021

ABQCOWBOY said:
I see you coming on this board and using it as justification as pie in the sky. Part of throwing for 5K yards is actually doing it.

I told you in like the second point, that this discussion was pointless to have. Now, you've finally realized that what I told you is true. Congratulations.

You can't see a damn thing. You've been on this board for like 5 minutes. Don't try and tell me what you see. I've had these discussions with other posters for years. You have no idea. Give your opinion, I'm cool with that, discuss it but don't try and tell me what you think you know. You don't know me.

Well get outside, get some sun, and do some research... have a good day Sir.

ABQCOWBOY · Jan 13, 2021

88sAndHeartbreak said:
Well get outside, get some sun, and do some research... have a good day Sir.

Again, you don't know me. For all you know, I'm sitting on my own beach, soaking sun and posting on a message board.

Do yourself a favor, don't assume things about people. It's rude. Voice your opinion, discuss, always say "IMO" and try to learn about why people have the opinions they do.

I don't expect you to take that advice but you would be doing yourself a favor.

5Stars · Jan 13, 2021

AmericanCowboy said:
Who exactly are we going to sign with the savings from not signing Dak.

Free agents are almost always overpaid, especially high priced ones. They almost never live up to the hype.

You want Justin Simmons at 17 million a year and Yannick Ngackoye (or however his last name is spelled) or Shaq Barrett at 18 million a year. Does not seem ever remotely worth it.

The fact is, having a great QB definitely helps your defense. Not only does it give them the confidence that allows them to play looser, but a QB who can command the game allows the defense time to rest. A QB who can have long, sustained drives is a huge help to the defense.

I wish we had one, (sigh).

Sevenup3000 · Jan 14, 2021

atlantacowboy said:
Playoff game. Funny you have to harken back 5 years to find an upset Dak orchestrated.

In any case, Mayfield just accomplished more than Dak ever has.

I like how *******es are now comparing the No. 1 overall pick on a stacked roster to a throwaway 4th pick that many of you SAME idiots said that Andy Dalton was better than.

csirl · Jan 14, 2021

88sAndHeartbreak said:
I said multiple times that Dak was ON PACE before injury for a 5k+ season.

You don't know what a smart, educated, and lucky draft/free agency is, but a discussion with ME is a fools arrand?!? LMAO... I've already told what it doesn't look like, the Giants and thier $100M defense a few years back.

If you want 5k+ yards then why not get Jameis Winston? He's cheaper than Dak and, as 2019 showed us, is better at racking up the yardage stats. He might even get to 6k with our offense?

PAPPYDOG · Jan 14, 2021

csirl said:
If you want 5k+ yards then why not get Jameis Winston? He's cheaper than Dak and, as 2019 showed us, is better at racking up the yardage stats. He might even get to 6k with our offense?

Aviano90 · Jan 14, 2021

csirl said:
Why are people debating what money Dak should earn?

Surely the main issue is whether or not the QB can play at an elite level (and I mean carry a team if necessary). These days it is almost impossible to win a SB without a QB playing at elite level. Even if Dak plays for nothing - and to be honest, he played for nearly nothing for 4 years - he's not good enough to carry the team.

What does “carrying the team” look like? Can you give examples so we can be on the look out for it? If it is a QB having good statistics with a poor defense and a struggling run game, didn’t Dak carry the team earlier this season?

CowboyoWales · Jan 14, 2021

ABQCOWBOY said:
"On Pace" means you haven't done it. That's it, nothing more.

No, I don't, just like I don't know what "ON PACE" is supposed to mean. But guess what, neither do you. That's fluff you throw out when you don't have an answer. So trying to discuss pie in the sky things like "ON PACE" or "Smart, educated, lucky draft/free agency" is a fools errand. It's all nebulous with nothing solid to base any conclusions on. Why waste the time or breath?

See, here's the thing, I never asked you what it doesn't look like. I asked you what it does look like. If you can answer that, perhaps we can discuss. At least at that point, there is actually something to talk about. If I wanted to discuss the Giants, I would probably be on a Giants board.

@88sAndHeartbreak the weakness of your ON PACE argument is that Dak beat up on the poor defenses- averaged 475 yards against Atl, Seat, Clev. whereas he only accumulated 266 yards against the Rams.

Also factoring in that he had Tyron and Martin for those game, it's innocuous to try and use ON PACE as anything of use.

CowboyoWales · Jan 14, 2021

csirl said:
If you want 5k+ yards then why not get Jameis Winston? He's cheaper than Dak and, as 2019 showed us, is better at racking up the yardage stats. He might even get to 6k with our offense?

Great point. Also Winston has a better RED Zone accuracy.

2018 - 62% v 50%
2019 - 55% v 52%

CowboyoWales · Jan 14, 2021

CowboysFaninHouston said:
wait, those other offenses and players on their teams have expensive QBs...now you are arguing that we don't need it...but we saw first hand this year what someone like Dalton did....he sucked.

you need a good QB to make an offense go, you can't just fill it up with all pros everywhere and go cheap on the QB...we have seen teams fail. and you need at least and average defense built through the draft and a coach that is able to make the right calls at critical times to make a TEAM successful....that is the common thread in all of those teams above

As usual i'm trying to follow your logic.

Dalton 'sucked' due to a number of reasons, number 1 being that he didn't have the O-Line afforded to previous QB's and he doesnt have the mobility to get out of trouble when that line surrenders.

Dalton is an individual and you can't dismiss ALL QB's based on him especially when he wasn't afforded the strong offense I am advocating.

Part of the money saved on not signing Dak (if that's the direction chosen), would be to strengthen the backup O-Line corp, so that when the injuries come to Smith/Collins/Martin.

Diehardblues · Jan 14, 2021

Aviano90 said:
What does “carrying the team” look like? Can you give examples so we can be on the look out for it? If it is a QB having good statistics with a poor defense and a struggling run game, didn’t Dak carry the team earlier this season?

Yea, I think some fans are too critical cause he hadn’t carried us to more team success but it appears he is able to carry this offense similar to where Romo did.

If you have a #1 or even top 10 offense can’t really blame the lack of success from the team on the QB.

Is he good enough to carry a bottom tier defense further with our top offense? Probably not but not many could .

Qcard · Jan 14, 2021

atlantacowboy said:
Playoff game. Funny you have to harken back 5 years to find an upset Dak orchestrated.

In any case, Mayfield just accomplished more than Dak ever has.

Shocker....Dak Haters have no concept of history...

Qcard · Jan 14, 2021

atlantacowboy said:
I would have liked to have seen what he can do with a healthy OL and a real training camp. We saw his arm. He can still sling it.

Funny....we have to go back 10 years when Dalton had an healthy Oline and a real training to find any slinging of value...Dalton slung his way into journey man back-up

Dak Haters are Pathetic!!

Cowboys need to resign Dak before Baker and Josh Allen reset the market

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