The Dallas Cowboys Draft Show argument for Dan Quinn at DC

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erod said:
Quinn inherited the defense Gus Bradley built in Seattle.

Then he and Whitt got fired in Atlanta.

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Quinn went to three Super Bowls. Gus Bradley zero, zip, nada. And if Bradley built it then why didn't Pete Carroll grab him back in Seattle? Pretty sure Pete would say he built it.
 
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AmariChill said:
There is no “argument” to be had. Him and Whitt the other hire are disgusting, stupid, and downright despicable. They will go down as the dumbest hire in the offseason if any team. You don’t see any normal ran teams making trains of dumb decisions like Dallas. We definitely have the worst coaching staff in the division, if not the league (and yes, that includes the coachless Eagles as they are hiring candidates that are good and make sense, such as L. Riley)
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I live near Houston and have seen the train wreck that team has become. Maybe they don't meet the definition of a "normal team." My point however, the league is full of FOs who make terrible decisions. There are countless examples. Im not excited about these hires, but I will reserve judgement. You never know, sometimes it just clicks. Most of the time it doesn't.
 
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Majic said:
I listened to the draft show and disagreed with one point Broaddus and Brooks were making. They seemed to be arguing (and I've heard this before) that the DEF didn't have to be great just serviceable to complement the offence which is high powered and the strength of the team.

I think this is flawed thinking. Build me the best DEF you can and spare no expense and leave no stone unturned. Else at some point your serviceable DEF will be turned over just when you need it most.
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You are wrong. You don't need a #1 DEF to be a successful team with this offense being so dominant. You just need a defense that can give the ball back to the offense more times than not. It's a matter of resource distribution. With the amount of money that is and will be invested in this offense, you just aren't going to be able to afford a top tier defense. Simple economics. But it's okay, we can put together a complimentary defense to our offense and still be winners.
 
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erod said:
Quinn inherited the defense Gus Bradley built in Seattle.

Then he and Whitt got fired in Atlanta.

Yay.
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What has gus bradley done since? Oh even less than DQ...that's nice
 
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dwmyers said:
My initial reaction to drafting Dan Quinn is probably the common reaction of an Atlanta Falcons fan. I live in the suburbs of Atlanta and watch a lot of their games and listen to the local talk radio. My initial reaction is that they should have hired Raheem Morris, but Raheem seems to be looking for HC jobs. If we can steal Raheem with a AHC role I would be happier with all this. But that's not why I'm posting this, I'm posting to give an argument that I think makes sense. It originates with the Dallas Cowboys Draft show and was pushed by Brian Broaddus and Bucky Brooks. Credit those two, please.

DQ can talk. He is really good at it. So the argument goes that the purpose of this hire is to recover a defense much like Richard-Marinelli, which was not great but significantly better than Nolans. The FO likes his teaching skills, which will come into play if we have a limited (or no) training camp.

As a DL guy, there is a nice article by John Owning on Dallas News that suggests how flexible DQ is. I would also point to Grady Jarrett, who is the best DL on the Falcons, was drafted in the 4th round, is a 1T and 3T who is mostly a one gap guy. DQ is not wedded to the weird hybrid front that everyone talks about where 2 DL two gap and two one gap. His best 1T is a one gap guy, and good enough that Falcons fans think the only DT better is Aaron Donald.

NO one ever complained about his fronts, other than the two awful Dimitroff picks of Vic Beasley and Takk. Dimitroff can't draft DEs to save his life (see this guy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamaal_Anderson ).

He will need help in the secondary. Better talent would help. He loves a dominant SS (i.e. Keanu Neal), but to be plain "in the box" safeties are a dime a dozen. If we keep drafting Trevon Diggs style talent, we can avoid the black hole DB the Falcons had in 2018-2020.

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Another bb and Bucky take also is that the offense should score points. It should move the ball. It should be damn near close to 30 points a week w a healthy dak. So even if the defense can be middle of the pack or close to it and really be a bend but don’t break and capable of getting situational stops that should be good enough to win games
 
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JoeKing said:
You are wrong. You don't need a #1 DEF to be a successful team with this offense being so dominant. You just need a defense that can give the ball back to the offense more times than not. It's a matter of resource distribution. With the amount of money that is and will be invested in this offense, you just aren't going to be able to afford a top tier defense. Simple economics. But it's okay, we can put together a complimentary defense to our offense and still be winners.
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I appreciate your post and understand what you are saying, but I still disagree. I am not saying to go out an build a #1 rated DEF in one year, but over 3 years that should be the aim. You can make a good start at a cheap cost via the draft and if those players need paying it won't be for 4 years. Maybe by then our resources are spread more evenly throughout are team and not skewed towards or offense.

Take the Rams for example, 2 studs on DEF they are paying and similar on offense. Maybe in 3 years we will be the same
 
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PJTHEDOORS said:
Resigning Romo was wrong? Did you want him gone?
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I refer to you the ongoing list of Super Bowl winning QB's and their salary cap percentage at the time of that win. I think Romo was overpaid then, and I think he was now. I don't want Dak to be overpaid to the detriment of the team because of not having the cap for other key positions.
 
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dwmyers said:
My initial reaction to drafting Dan Quinn is probably the common reaction of an Atlanta Falcons fan. I live in the suburbs of Atlanta and watch a lot of their games and listen to the local talk radio. My initial reaction is that they should have hired Raheem Morris, but Raheem seems to be looking for HC jobs. If we can steal Raheem with a AHC role I would be happier with all this. But that's not why I'm posting this, I'm posting to give an argument that I think makes sense. It originates with the Dallas Cowboys Draft show and was pushed by Brian Broaddus and Bucky Brooks. Credit those two, please.

DQ can talk. He is really good at it. So the argument goes that the purpose of this hire is to recover a defense much like Richard-Marinelli, which was not great but significantly better than Nolans. The FO likes his teaching skills, which will come into play if we have a limited (or no) training camp.

As a DL guy, there is a nice article by John Owning on Dallas News that suggests how flexible DQ is. I would also point to Grady Jarrett, who is the best DL on the Falcons, was drafted in the 4th round, is a 1T and 3T who is mostly a one gap guy. DQ is not wedded to the weird hybrid front that everyone talks about where 2 DL two gap and two one gap. His best 1T is a one gap guy, and good enough that Falcons fans think the only DT better is Aaron Donald.

NO one ever complained about his fronts, other than the two awful Dimitroff picks of Vic Beasley and Takk. Dimitroff can't draft DEs to save his life (see this guy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamaal_Anderson ).

He will need help in the secondary. Better talent would help. He loves a dominant SS (i.e. Keanu Neal), but to be plain "in the box" safeties are a dime a dozen. If we keep drafting Trevon Diggs style talent, we can avoid the black hole DB the Falcons had in 2018-2020.

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I will take the same “wait and see” approach that I took with MM. I have no expectations at all.
 
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DeathMonkey said:
I refer to you the ongoing list of Super Bowl winning QB's and their salary cap percentage at the time of that win. I think Romo was overpaid then, and I think he was now. I don't want Dak to be overpaid to the detriment of the team because of not having the cap for other key positions.
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Romo should have been paid even more. He had to cover up terrible coaching and play calling, not to mention that he carried the team for years.
 
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