Cowboys need to resign Dak before Baker and Josh Allen reset the market

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I just dont understand the insular obsession with Dak. And the constant comparisons with Dalton Do people know anything about football beyond this team? Dak (and Dalton) are not the only QBs in the world.
What's so hard to understand? The year was 2016 and Dak became the starter, much to the dismay of another player's fanboys. Agendas were set then and have played out ever since. Dalton is just caught up in the mess that started in 2016.
 

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What's so hard to understand? The year was 2016 and Dak became the starter, much to the dismay of another player's fanboys. Agendas were set then and have played out ever since. Dalton is just caught up in the mess that started in 2016.
Ick. I think you're sadly right.
 

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What's so hard to understand? The year was 2016 and Dak became the starter, much to the dismay of another player's fanboys. Agendas were set then and have played out ever since. Dalton is just caught up in the mess that started in 2016.

I dont get the Romo one either. A QB who retired with several injuries and who's now a successful TV personality is not going to play again.

I'm beginning to think a lot of people are bigger fans of individual players than they are of the team.
 

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I dont get the Romo one either. A QB who retired with several injuries and who's now a successful TV personality is not going to play again.

I'm beginning to think a lot of people are bigger fans of individual players than they are of the team.

Let me try to help you.. people want the best of the available options at pretty much every position on the field. Our favorite team just happens to be having a difficult time signing its QB. So that means there's going to be a lot of QB discussions and scenarios out there. Of the available QBs, Dak is far and away the best. Not just by my estimation but by the estimation of people who are paid to do such things. He was ranked the #1 free agent in football last year and he holds that distinction again this year. Now if Mahomes or Rodgers or maybe Wilson were on the market he wouldn't be.. But those guys aren't.. so the best QB option that is available for this team (and every team in the market for a QB) is Dak Prescott. Talk of wanting a cheaper option is fine.. as long as said cheaper option is better than Dak. Rooting for my team to keep the best available QB on the market is not being a fan of an individual player.. It's wanting my team to have the best it can get. It's not really that hard a concept to grasp. The Romo thing? Who knows? I don't read those posts.. they're a bigger waste of time than the usual posts here.
 

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Let me try to help you.. people want the best of the available options at pretty much every position on the field. Our favorite team just happens to be having a difficult time signing its QB. So that means there's going to be a lot of QB discussions and scenarios out there. Of the available QBs, Dak is far and away the best. Not just by my estimation but by the estimation of people who are paid to do such things. He was ranked the #1 free agent in football last year and he holds that distinction again this year. Now if Mahomes or Rodgers or maybe Wilson were on the market he wouldn't be.. But those guys aren't.. so the best QB option that is available for this team (and every team in the market for a QB) is Dak Prescott. Talk of wanting a cheaper option is fine.. as long as said cheaper option is better than Dak. Rooting for my team to keep the best available QB on the market is not being a fan of an individual player.. It's wanting my team to have the best it can get. It's not really that hard a concept to grasp. The Romo thing? Who knows? I don't read those posts.. they're a bigger waste of time than the usual posts here.

Very well put.
 

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Very well put.

Thanks.. I think a lot of people who keep railing against re-signing Dak just don't want Dak back and spend far too much time and energy looking for reasons to support their stance. Here's a clue.. You don't need to justify not wanting Dak back.. You're entitled to feel however you want to feel about every player at every position on the team. Likewise those who want him back aren't some teenage girl with a crush on him.. Most people just see the QB market and see that the best available guy is the one who plays for Dallas and perhaps more importantly was drafted and developed by Dallas. Nobody wants to see our team develop guys and then let them go win Super Bowls elsewhere. At least no Dallas Cowboys fan should. The list of guys who have done so is getting longer every year. But if there was a better QB on the market we would be discussing him too and mulling over ways for the Cowboys to get him.
 

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Thanks.. I think a lot of people who keep railing against re-signing Dak just don't want Dak back and spend far too much time and energy looking for reasons to support their stance. Here's a clue.. You don't need to justify not wanting Dak back.. You're entitled to feel however you want to feel about every player at every position on the team. Likewise those who want him back aren't some teenage girl with a crush on him.. Most people just see the QB market and see that the best available guy is the one who plays for Dallas and perhaps more importantly was drafted and developed by Dallas. Nobody wants to see our team develop guys and then let them go win Super Bowls elsewhere. At least no Dallas Cowboys fan should. The list of guys who have done so is getting longer every year. But if there was a better QB on the market we would be discussing him too and mulling over ways for the Cowboys to get him.

I just thought you put it in an excellent contexts.

He was the best free agent and free agent quarterback last year.

He is the best free agent and free agent quarterback this year.

We are picking 10th and would be picking at best the 4th quarterback this year.

if you want to do the best that this team can possibly do at the quarterback position then you sign Prescott.
 

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Thanks.. I think a lot of people who keep railing against re-signing Dak just don't want Dak back and spend far too much time and energy looking for reasons to support their stance. Here's a clue.. You don't need to justify not wanting Dak back.. You're entitled to feel however you want to feel about every player at every position on the team. Likewise those who want him back aren't some teenage girl with a crush on him.. Most people just see the QB market and see that the best available guy is the one who plays for Dallas and perhaps more importantly was drafted and developed by Dallas. Nobody wants to see our team develop guys and then let them go win Super Bowls elsewhere. At least no Dallas Cowboys fan should. The list of guys who have done so is getting longer every year. But if there was a better QB on the market we would be discussing him too and mulling over ways for the Cowboys to get him.

So are you still of the opinion that a contract of under 4 years is potentially CAP suicide?
 

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So are you still of the opinion that a contract of under 4 years is potentially CAP suicide?

Absolutely.. a big part of why I believe in Dak and am adamant that he's the guy is I love his mental make up. His leadership his indominable spirit. Up until this year those things were more important than his passing skills because those skills were still under construction. He took a huge step forward as a passer this season which solidified my belief in him. However that doesn't negate the fact that a big reason I want to keep him is how he's wired. Now if he and his agent insist on a short term deal that sabotages the team's ability to compete at the highest level then he's not wired how I thought he was and I will help load the U-haul to move him out of town. My QB has to place winning above all else. If Dak allows money to trump winning then he can git gone. His grandkids won't know the difference in their lifestyle between 35 million a year for 5 years vs 35 million a year for 4 years.. What they WILL know is what happened to this team and his legacy after he signed the deal. If he signs the team friendly deal and the team goes on to do great things the history books will note it. If he signs the greedy deal and the team falls apart around him then the history books will note that as well, but the story that will be written will have a decidedly different tone.
 

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you are spinning rivers performance. and he has consistently failed in big games. and in the end he LOST. and I have heard the same thing about Dak against Rams and GB in the playoffs despite his out put.....we can't excuse one QB, because he had a few good throws and yet lost in the end and then nitpick to no end another one, over analyzing every single throw. and I will say it again, coaching matters....coaching is important. in game decision making by the coaches make a huge difference....

and I am not worried about his leg injury, given you and I don't have access to medical reports, or talk to the doctors and its speculation on our part based on agenda's....QBs and NFL players recover from many devastating injuries.....and he wasn't a running QB like Jackson or Murray anyway, so as long as he can set his feet, move around the pocket...I don't think and ankle injury is devastating. in fact, achilles heel injury would be much harder on an NFL player than anything else.

and I am not comparing Brady to Prescott...Brady is the GOAT....he is the only elite QB that has gotten back to the superbowl consistently.

and regardless of what we think of Mahomes...500M is a huge number.....and I am sure it will get reworked....but I go back to what everyone keeps saying....giving a QB a large market value contract will prohibit the team from being good and competitive.....and thus same for Mahomes....I guess he is not winning any superbowls any more given his large contract, but its nice to see the anti-contract crowd spin it...


and Bilicheck did pay a big QB money, Brady's first contract was market sized....and yet they won.....his subsequent contracts weren't as big and team friendly by a few million only....then again, its brady, he is marketable and his wife was loaded prior to him being loaded.....and outside of Brady how many others have given team friendly deals and what did they accomplish? and btw, Rodgers hasn't been to the superbowl in 10 years...neither has brees.
Dak was fine versus the Rams. It was a regulation NFL Kirk Cousins type performance.

He was involved in a shoot out vs Aaron Rodgers in that play off game. The Packers' secondary was dreadful and didn't the Falcons almost lay 50 points on them the following week?. The slow start by the offense in the first quarter and a half coupled with the defense giving up too many points ultimately cost us the game. We had a chance to take it to overtime but Dak spiked the ball to stop the clock. Subsequently this gave Rodgers enough time to win the game in regulation. Ultimately I can't blame Dak. He played a solid game for a rookie and played well in the second half - the criticism should be for the brain dead decision of not starting a healthy All Pro QB sitting on the bench. A rookie QB has never won the Superbowl so...yeah that's what we did haha oh my still makes me laugh. It's decisions like that which prepares me for the worst going forwards with this team as if you can't help yourself then what chance do you have...

Rodgers has had McCarthy as his Head Coach - a huge handicap, and he has played with very average teams over the last 10 years. Never had a good tight end and when was the last time they drafted a WR in the first round?
 

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@88sAndHeartbreak the weakness of your ON PACE argument is that Dak beat up on the poor defenses- averaged 475 yards against Atl, Seat, Clev. whereas he only accumulated 266 yards against the Rams.

Also factoring in that he had Tyron and Martin for those game, it's innocuous to try and use ON PACE as anything of use.
Did you actually watch the Rams game? That bad call wiped out a 47yd gain and the potential Win. Yall have to try harder
 
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If you want 5k+ yards then why not get Jameis Winston? He's cheaper than Dak and, as 2019 showed us, is better at racking up the yardage stats. He might even get to 6k with our offense?
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I guess you wouldn't mind 30 interceptions a year... but as long as he's cheap right? Why not? lol

and 2019 you say?

PFF Grades Dak Prescott As The 5th Best QB Against 2019 Playoff Teams
https://insidethestar.com/pff-grades-dak-prescott-as-the-5th-best-qb-against-2019-playoff-teams/

Great point. Also Winston has a better RED Zone accuracy.

2018 - 62% v 50%
2019 - 55% v 52%
Refer to my above post.
 
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Don’t be stupid because other teams are stupid..

Drafting QBs is the way to go.

Yeah, because Jerry and Stephen are experts. I get the salary cap thing, I really do, but I don't trust these knuckleheads.

Jerry trades up for Quincy Carter.
Falls into UDFA Tony Romo thanks to Bill Parcells having him watch for 3 years.
Jerry wants to draft Johnny Manziel.
Jerry and Stephen attempt to trade up for Paxton Lynch. Dude's a bust.
Jerry and Stephen attempt to trade up for Connor Cook. Another bust.
They settle on Dak after those two failed attempted trade ups. Can actually play, whether "elite" or not.

So now these jokers are going to nail it in the draft? You have more faith than I, grasshopper.
 

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Yeah, because Jerry and Stephen are experts. I get the salary cap thing, I really do, but I don't trust these knuckleheads.

Jerry trades up for Quincy Carter.
Falls into UDFA Tony Romo thanks to Bill Parcells having him watch for 3 years.
Jerry wants to draft Johnny Manziel.
Jerry and Stephen attempt to trade up for Paxton Lynch. Dude's a bust.
Jerry and Stephen attempt to trade up for Connor Cook. Another bust.
They settle on Dak after those two failed attempted trade ups. Can actually play, whether "elite" or not.

So now these jokers are going to nail it in the draft? You have more faith than I, grasshopper.
Cowboys have definitely had mixed results at the QB position since Aikman. Mostly bad, but Romo and Dak were great picks and UDFA.
 

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Dak was fine versus the Rams. It was a regulation NFL Kirk Cousins type performance.

He was involved in a shoot out vs Aaron Rodgers in that play off game. The Packers' secondary was dreadful and didn't the Falcons almost lay 50 points on them the following week?. The slow start by the offense in the first quarter and a half coupled with the defense giving up too many points ultimately cost us the game. We had a chance to take it to overtime but Dak spiked the ball to stop the clock. Subsequently this gave Rodgers enough time to win the game in regulation. Ultimately I can't blame Dak. He played a solid game for a rookie and played well in the second half - the criticism should be for the brain dead decision of not starting a healthy All Pro QB sitting on the bench. A rookie QB has never won the Superbowl so...yeah that's what we did haha oh my still makes me laugh. It's decisions like that which prepares me for the worst going forwards with this team as if you can't help yourself then what chance do you have...

Rodgers has had McCarthy as his Head Coach - a huge handicap, and he has played with very average teams over the last 10 years. Never had a good tight end and when was the last time they drafted a WR in the first round?

Dak's game was a little better than "solid." Wasn't it like 300+ yards and 3 TDs? He went toe to toe with the best in the game at the time.. But I am 100% with you on the stupid decision not to go with Romo in the playoffs that year. No one will ever convince me that having a 36 year old been there done that veteran would not have been the better play than the rookie.. no matter how great the rookie was.. he was still a rookie and the playoffs are not kind to rookie QBs.

Still your last point might be a bit overblown.. Rodgers has had some pretty good tight ends there with him in Green Bay... Jermichael Finley was a very good tight end.. Richard Rodgers and Andrew Quarles were a good tandem followed by Jared Cook and Rodgers then succeeded by Jimmy Graham and Marcedes Lewis. He may never have had an all pro but he has always had a good reliable security blanket working the middle of the field.
 

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Yeah, because Jerry and Stephen are experts. I get the salary cap thing, I really do, but I don't trust these knuckleheads.

Jerry trades up for Quincy Carter.
Falls into UDFA Tony Romo thanks to Bill Parcells having him watch for 3 years.
Jerry wants to draft Johnny Manziel.
Jerry and Stephen attempt to trade up for Paxton Lynch. Dude's a bust.
Jerry and Stephen attempt to trade up for Connor Cook. Another bust.
They settle on Dak after those two failed attempted trade ups. Can actually play, whether "elite" or not.

So now these jokers are going to nail it in the draft? You have more faith than I, grasshopper.


I’d rather them take risks like they did in the 90s instead of being scared dogs who are afraid to make moves and be 8-8.
 

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Cowboys have definitely had mixed results at the QB position since Aikman. Mostly bad, but Romo and Dak were great picks and UDFA.

Every team has trouble replacing hall of fame QBs. They don't exactly grow on trees. Some teams will get lucky and get two hall of famers back to back like the Niners with Montana to Young or the Packers with Favre to Rodgers.. but for the most part when a hall of famer calls it quits teams wander in the QB wilderness in search of the next guy. Even teams drafting at the top of the draft get it wrong more often than they get it right.. which is as strong an argument for not letting Dak walk out the door as I can think of. Yes the NFL game is morphing more and more into the college game making it incrementally easier for rookie QBs to come in and look decent. However until one leads his team to the Super Bowl I am always going to take the good veteran over the "maybe" good rookie.. Unless of course I am in full rebuild mode..
 

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Every team has trouble replacing hall of fame QBs. They don't exactly grow on trees. Some teams will get lucky and get two hall of famers back to back like the Niners with Montana to Young or the Packers with Favre to Rodgers.. but for the most part when a hall of famer calls it quits teams wander in the QB wilderness in search of the next guy. Even teams drafting at the top of the draft get it wrong more often than they get it right.. which is as strong an argument for not letting Dak walk out the door as I can think of. Yes the NFL game is morphing more and more into the college game making it incrementally easier for rookie QBs to come in and look decent. However until one leads his team to the Super Bowl I am always going to take the good veteran over the "maybe" good rookie.. Unless of course I am in full rebuild mode..
Yes, very hard. We’ve got a good one now in Dak. Well, if they can get him signed which I believe will happen.
 

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I guess you wouldn't mind 30 interceptions a year... but as long as he's cheap right? Why not? lol

and 2019 you say?

PFF Grades Dak Prescott As The 5th Best QB Against 2019 Playoff Teams
https://insidethestar.com/pff-grades-dak-prescott-as-the-5th-best-qb-against-2019-playoff-teams/


Refer to my above post.

Absolutely not. I dont advocate settling for the mediocre regardless of the price. Cowboys can move into the top 3-4 picks in this years draft if they trade this years and next years firsts. This is the most ambitious way forward.
 
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