Whats this league coming to - Watson

JReed1000 · Jan 18, 2021

Did y’all just wake up from a coma? You seem to forget what Eli Manning did on draft night.

uvaballa · Jan 18, 2021

Hadenough said:
You nailed it! These players through social media have gained a tremendous amount of power. I think this is Watsons way of complaining about the Texans trading Hopkins. He is probably pissed and feels he needs to carry the team. He signed a contract though and must honor it in my book. But the bigger problem is the QB position is the only position in the league where you dont have to be the best to make the most.

Is that like teams signing contracts and then cutting players? They don’t always honor the contract so it goes both ways.

foofighters · Jan 18, 2021

rocyaice said:
Man you're full of it. Are you trying to say that players never pulled moves like this in the past? You guys keep hoping and praying for the downfall of the NFL because you guys feel like the "inmates are running the asylum"....If this is the end of the NFL then its going to be end of all sports because this is isn't changing. Funny though you are on a football site discussing this exact topic...you don't seem to be turned off and neither does the millions of people or billions of dollars the NFL keeps producing.........

Nope not at all. You think that I am wishing for the end. I am not. The NFL has been filled with prima donna's since the beginning of the game. What the younger generation of players have to deal with is access. The internet has brought the games closer to fans than it ever has. I have never liked the Michael Irvin. A lot of fans really don't know what he did when he wasn't playing because we didn't have access back then. However, today is a different story. These players actually do need to be careful because their "voice" is actually being heard. By everyone. Good and bad. The NFL is still a business and the players don't understand that. It's like trying to tell Dak that taking a little bit less money will get him so much more in endorsements because having the Star on his helmet gives him far more access than any other player. This is an example and I am not stating he really should take less money as I won't get into that completely because I am not at the table with all the facts. The NFL is still a cash cow and will be around for a long while still but Rome is starting to show cracks.

MyFairLady · Jan 18, 2021

uvaballa said:
Is that like teams signing contracts and then cutting players? They don’t always honor the contract so it goes both ways.

Exactly. A contract has zero value if either party decides they have had enough. As always the only thing that matters is guaranteed money. Watson has 110 million in guaranteed cash. Watson has all the power.

Hawkeye0202 · Jan 18, 2021

foofighters said:
What Randy Moss doesn't understand is that the "voice" these players think they are entitled to is the exact reason why fans are turned off. These millenials are forgetting that other millenials don't really care about football and it's the other generations that are the reason for their large paychecks. The end of the NFL is coming.

over and over

MyFairLady · Jan 18, 2021

rocyaice said:
Yeah in the NBA sure you can use that argument but in the NFL? Those guys can get cut based on poor play. Those guys are playing like this because this is what they are not because they turned it up for a year lol.

Watson has 110 million in guaranteed money he can not be cut. Everyone loves to say how Jaylon and Zeke can not be cut because the money is guaranteed. I am not talking about the low end guys I am talking about the "stars".

JonesBoys · Jan 18, 2021

Cwby41 said:
I don't know, I listen to some of these situations play out and I just don't get it. I know they are not an organization that is ran well but where does any player regardless of how great or good they might be get to pull this off.
I heard Randy Moss the other day and quote " The days of just shut up and play are over" what the hell does that mean?
You are an employee of a business, you have a union, you have a job to do, you have been there X amount of years and just signed a monster contract.
Becaus you have a union certain rules were put in place one of them being after a certain amount of years your a FA free to sign with whatever team you want for whatever dollar amount you want.
I don't know much about Watson except he is a talented guy but I don't care who it is, these guys need to play out contracts and not have the power to hold a team hostage.
Just mark my words, he forces a trade it will change the thoughts of players every time they are not happy. Since when in any business does an employee get to have a say in who is hired or interviewed. Even if they told him that , it shows that they are incompetent and not trust worthy but you neeed to soldier on and play your new contract.
The kids coming in today are very entitled this isn't the way the world works.
Personally I would not trade him, not pay him and just let him sit. I believe their is a clause in the new CBA where players do not get paid when they sit out while on a contract.
I know it would hurt the team but sometimes a little balls goes a long way in sending a message.
He also has other teammates and a city and fan base that he is playing for and that are depending on him.
Feel bad that he is in that situation but after just signing that contract he had the right to wait the contract out. Now that you not only signed it but you have a no trade clause in it. Man up, honor it and yeah Randy "just shut up and play".
Many great players had careers wasted by being in **** organizations, there are only a few solid ones. God only knows we don't have to look far. So on this topic go ahead and fire back, Im not one to start controversial posts but Im hanging on by a thread with this league and the more I see the more turned off I am in watching and supporting these players.

The NBA is by far worse. I used to be a big NBA fan and I have only watched 1 game so far this season. Really getting turned off by the players in today’s game.

Hawkeye0202 · Jan 18, 2021

John813 said:
Players being upset and wanting to be traded is nothing new.

What makes this one interesting is that it's a franchise QB, in a new deal and we know the reason(s) for why he's upset.

Teams can cut contracts or trade players at any time and no one bats an eye. But when a player wants out of a team, he's a bad guy or entitled.
Watson had to deal with BoB for years, trading away talent, unable to build a team around him. He talks to the owner who promises him something then backs out of it. While a player doesn't have anything in his contract to make demands about a GM, it's also sort of bad business for the owner to say something to his star player and then throw it away.

Watson really hasn't gone public about wanting to be moved or gone on twitter rants. Right now it' mainly, "sources tell me" type of articles.

+1 and honestly, trade is probably best for both parties. Watson gets a fresh start and Texans gets a boatload of draft picks and maybe a young QB. This could be one of the biggest NFL trades since Herschel Walker.

MyFairLady · Jan 18, 2021

2288doubletrouble said:
The NBA is by far worse. I used to be a big NBA fan and I have only watched 1 game so far this season. Really getting turned off by the players in today’s game.

I don't think the NBA is worse. It is just a bit different. The same principles apply though. As if Kyrie is gonna listen to Steve Nash. Kyrie makes 40 million per year. Steven Nash better be prepared to listen to Kyrie.

aria · Jan 18, 2021

Cwby41 said:
I don't know, I listen to some of these situations play out and I just don't get it. I know they are not an organization that is ran well but where does any player regardless of how great or good they might be get to pull this off.
I heard Randy Moss the other day and quote " The days of just shut up and play are over" what the hell does that mean?
You are an employee of a business, you have a union, you have a job to do, you have been there X amount of years and just signed a monster contract.
Becaus you have a union certain rules were put in place one of them being after a certain amount of years your a FA free to sign with whatever team you want for whatever dollar amount you want.
I don't know much about Watson except he is a talented guy but I don't care who it is, these guys need to play out contracts and not have the power to hold a team hostage.
Just mark my words, he forces a trade it will change the thoughts of players every time they are not happy. Since when in any business does an employee get to have a say in who is hired or interviewed. Even if they told him that , it shows that they are incompetent and not trust worthy but you neeed to soldier on and play your new contract.
The kids coming in today are very entitled this isn't the way the world works.
Personally I would not trade him, not pay him and just let him sit. I believe their is a clause in the new CBA where players do not get paid when they sit out while on a contract.
I know it would hurt the team but sometimes a little balls goes a long way in sending a message.
He also has other teammates and a city and fan base that he is playing for and that are depending on him.
Feel bad that he is in that situation but after just signing that contract he had the right to wait the contract out. Now that you not only signed it but you have a no trade clause in it. Man up, honor it and yeah Randy "just shut up and play".
Many great players had careers wasted by being in **** organizations, there are only a few solid ones. God only knows we don't have to look far. So on this topic go ahead and fire back, Im not one to start controversial posts but Im hanging on by a thread with this league and the more I see the more turned off I am in watching and supporting these players.

100% agree, look no further than our own RB. When in the history of the NFL has a player ever sat out with 2 years left on their contract? I believe it’s another record he set that his supporters can be proud of.

When will it stop? Next time it could be 3 years, then they play one year on their rookie deal. There needs to be more severe repercussions for sitting out.

Hell, just make it to where there are only one year deals. Every team has the same amount of money at the beginning of each off season and they bid yearly contracts on the players, the highest bidder wins. Teams could prioritize whatever player and positions they want and build their team from scratch every year. If players have a bad year then they most likely won’t make as much the following year because teams won’t bid as much. If they sit out they get nothing and aren’t allowed to play the following year. Screw ‘em.

MyFairLady · Jan 18, 2021

Hawkeye0202 said:
+1 and honestly, trade is probably best for both parties. Watson gets a fresh start and Texans gets a boatload of draft picks and maybe a young QB. This could be one of the biggest NFL trades since Herschel Walker.

Not sure if he is worth a "boat load" of picks. He comes with a massive deal. You can't trade away picks and pay the large salary. You are paying twice that way. Just like we do when we pay picks for WRs then give them massive deals. The massive deal would be enough to get the WR on its own. The pick would get the WR on its own. Giving up both is madness.

DCreppinBoysfan · Jan 18, 2021

JoeKing said:
Watson to Washington would be serious trouble for the Cowboys.

Skins would mess it up. They are who they are just like us

pavalley · Jan 18, 2021

rags747 said:
Owners own, players are employees. This guy makes $40m a year and says he’s not answering any phones from his bosses. Tell that to the people happy as all get out to land a freaking $600 stimulus check. Rather have Dak btw...

This is the point they don't understand, you are a W-2'd employee...when you are at "WORK" they control your work environment...do all this other crap on your own time..

aria · Jan 18, 2021

Flamma said:
This is such a QB driven league now that you would need an elite defense to make up for a mediocre quarterback. A front four alone has never won championships. But they gave teams fits. That's why I said if their defensive backfield can improve, they can be very dangerous. Crap quarterbacks have won super bowls on defense alone.

I’d say the front 4 of whatever Giants team it was that won a Super Bowl with Joseph, Tuck, Umenyora, JPP and Strahan was pretty close but overall I agree.

Rayman70 · Jan 18, 2021

PLAYERS PLAY, COACHES COACH, AND OWNERS OWN. Watson is talented but he looks bad here. He's making a dysfunctional situation even worse. If I am his team mates I wanna distance myself from him. At this point they almost have to move him. He's turning into a malcontent. Can't have that. I would be calling the Jags to see what they would offer. Urban Meyer would be giddy.

TheMarathonContinues · Jan 18, 2021

MyFairLady said:
Watson has 110 million in guaranteed money he can not be cut. Everyone loves to say how Jaylon and Zeke can not be cut because the money is guaranteed. I am not talking about the low end guys I am talking about the "stars".

Naw I'm referencing when you said Jaylon and Zeke just did good enough to get a contract and now they suck......that would make no sense being they can get cut at anytime due to poor play. Watson isn't a issue because his play hasn't taken a dive. I'm talking about the post you made that I replied to.

Rayman70 · Jan 18, 2021

unfortuantely its the tail that wags the dog in the NFL. Its about the players "platform in the community" ahead of actual performance/results. Case and point, look at Jaylon Smith. Results be damned I guess. Its hard to get emotional tied to a player anymore in the NFL because the team is secondary almost. Its almost exclusively about other issues off the field and less about winning. Fans are largley turned
off by this, more and more.

atlantacowboy · Jan 18, 2021

Cwby41 said:
I don't know, I listen to some of these situations play out and I just don't get it. I know they are not an organization that is ran well but where does any player regardless of how great or good they might be get to pull this off.
I heard Randy Moss the other day and quote " The days of just shut up and play are over" what the hell does that mean?
You are an employee of a business, you have a union, you have a job to do, you have been there X amount of years and just signed a monster contract.
Becaus you have a union certain rules were put in place one of them being after a certain amount of years your a FA free to sign with whatever team you want for whatever dollar amount you want.
I don't know much about Watson except he is a talented guy but I don't care who it is, these guys need to play out contracts and not have the power to hold a team hostage.
Just mark my words, he forces a trade it will change the thoughts of players every time they are not happy. Since when in any business does an employee get to have a say in who is hired or interviewed. Even if they told him that , it shows that they are incompetent and not trust worthy but you neeed to soldier on and play your new contract.
The kids coming in today are very entitled this isn't the way the world works.
Personally I would not trade him, not pay him and just let him sit. I believe their is a clause in the new CBA where players do not get paid when they sit out while on a contract.
I know it would hurt the team but sometimes a little balls goes a long way in sending a message.
He also has other teammates and a city and fan base that he is playing for and that are depending on him.
Feel bad that he is in that situation but after just signing that contract he had the right to wait the contract out. Now that you not only signed it but you have a no trade clause in it. Man up, honor it and yeah Randy "just shut up and play".
Many great players had careers wasted by being in **** organizations, there are only a few solid ones. God only knows we don't have to look far. So on this topic go ahead and fire back, Im not one to start controversial posts but Im hanging on by a thread with this league and the more I see the more turned off I am in watching and supporting these players.

That means players make soooooo much money now that they can afford to call their own shots. Watson has a contract that gives him a pretty big middle finger. Players used to make enough to live well but they still needed a job. Needing a job makes you accountable to your employer. Deshaun Watson has been paid 40M already and is guaranteed another 80M. So yeah, he doesn't have to answer to anyone b/c he doesn't have to work.

KeepinTime · Jan 18, 2021

baltcowboy said:
Heineken is trash. His play is similar to GG against the Steelers because the Buccaneers were preparing for Smith. Heineken will be lucky to make their team next season.

At least he’s got his beer company to go back to.

Aven8 · Jan 18, 2021

If the Texans even thought about trading Watson to Wash I’m asking for half there Dline back and Brandon Sheriff.

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