Saints vs Buccaneers

Brees has turned into Matt Stafford these past 3-4 years. I knew he would choke. Brady over Brees was a NO BRAINER

Dreski said:

Drew Brees and Sean Peyton after bounty gate are just Jason Garret and Romo clones lol

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Do you mean we no longer need to rue letting Sean Peyton go? Is it official after today's beatdown?

CowboysFanSince88 said:

WHY WOULD ANYONE WANT TO SEE BRADY WIN ANOTHER SB?

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Only team left that i dislike is GB, so as long as they don't win I'm good

khiladi said:

Again, Brady ran a completely different offense on NE. It was a quick release, short passing attack built on a lot of pick routes.

He was also completely garbage last year to end the season at 43 years old in the winter and wasn’t even that good this game in the domed stadium. His two TDs were generate off TOs that put them in easy scoring territory.

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Yep. I thought the saints were the better team until Brees gifted them that TD. Then the fumble, and then more Brees. But hey, I had 10 bucks on the Bucs, so I'm happy.

NFC Championship Game appearances since 1997:
Tom Brady: 1 Dallas Cowboys: 0
Years in the NFC since 1997:
Tom Brady: 1 Dallas Cowboys: 24

daboyzruleperiod said:

NFC Championship Game appearances since 1997:
Tom Brady: 1 Dallas Cowboys: 0
Years in the NFC since 1997:
Tom Brady: 1 Dallas Cowboys: 24

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I looked at the Bucs 2020 offseason, and they only signed Tom Brady, Gronk and a backup RT. So basically a 43 year old Tom Brady was the difference between 7-9 and 11-5 and a deep playoff run.

JoeyBoy718 said:

I looked at the Bucs 2020 offseason, and they only signed Tom Brady, Gronk and a backup RT. So basically a 43 year old Tom Brady was the difference between 7-9 and 11-5 and a deep playoff run.

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Well replacing the INT machine with Tom Brady is a pretty BIG difference

jwitten82 said:

Brady had garbage to throw to in New England, none of his receivers could beat man coverage consistently, they relied on pick plays a lot, and yet he still threw 24tds and only 8 ints. Anybody who said Brady was done before this season didn't really watch NE last year, or just couldn't recognize the real problem.

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I agree, he’s arguably the greatest to ever do it.

That being said:

1. Brady couldn’t carry the Patriots roster. The reality is the Patriots are on rebuild mode, the Bucs are in win now mode.

2. The Patriots defense was the number 1 scoring defense in the league. The Patriots defense generated a whopping THIRTY SEVEN TOs. The Patriots offense committee 17 TOs. Let me repeat it again. THE PATRIOTS DEFENSe GENERATED A WHOPPING THIRTY SEVEN TOs LAST YEAR, while the Patriots offense was floundering around. The point being, the defense was giving Brady and the offense plenty of chances to score. CREDITING that record to Brady is just absurd. The Brady-stans are completely pressed to divest Bellichek of any credit and they are trying to in a place that was already STACKED offensively and added other offensive pieces to stack it as well.

3. The other point is Scarnechia retired this year and Brady has had Bellichek’s man for twenty plus years coaching the OL, meaning consistency in blocking up front. The year he retired in like 2015, the OL completely fell apart and Brady hit sacked 38 times. Who knows how much worse it would have gotten for Brady up front if Bellichek didn’t come and bring Scarnecchia back.

4. Give Bellichek any ELITE QB, the chance he’s winning MULTIPLE SBs period. Whenever you look at the SB wins, it’s all about Bellichek defenses generated TOs, with Brady not committing mistakes.

5. This year with Cam, the Patriots defense generated 22 TOs and the offense generated 19 TPs. Bill Bellichek is the defensive genius behind the Patriots and there is no way possible, Brady wins that many SBs without that lock down DB play that stifled opponents in the playoffs.

6. The Patriots offense again is a short passing game, predicated on pick routes. That isn’t the case with the Arian offense in TB. The TB offense is high-risk and way more risky. He should have been picked off 2-3 times last night and they were playing in a dome.

This point 6 is why I don’t see them being the Patriots, who are now a ball control running offense, with an elite QB to throw when he needs to. This is Lambeau and Brady isn’t in the short passing game, get the ball out quickly offense he was running for the last decade in New England.

I mean if you go by scoring, Tampa Bay almost put up just as many points last year as this year. They are third in scoring both years. The difference is Brady doesn’t Chuck INTs like Winston did and those TOs broke the back of the Tampa Bay defense, which ended up 29th in the league in scoring, while this year they are 8th.

The Bucs last year had 7 TOs in one game.

The point is Brady walked into an already loaded offense, but even last night, he had trouble putting the ball in the end zone, until he was gifted by two TOs generated by the Bucs off horrible INTs by Brees. The win was really not that impressive from a QB perspective. I mean the Saints also exposed special teams holes as well. And the TB RG imposed its will in the second half, making it easy for Brady to sit back all day without getting touched. And part of that was because the Saints decided to abandon Kamara who was running well.

And the Bucs defense this year generated 30 TOs, four of them last night. And they generated 28 TOs last year, so they already had good pieces in place and they just needed a good QB. This wasn’t a rebuild team, this was a win now team.

Dreski said:

Drew Brees and Sean Peyton after bounty gate are just Jason Garret and Romo clones lol

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Peyton got kicked out for a year and got robbed of multiple draft picks and has them competitive year in and out. Patriots get slaps on the wrist for cheating and Bellichek sits pretty as HC, with no suspension at all. Please spare me the ‘bounty gate’ incentive to discredit the win , which has zero to do with stealing opponents plays and deciphering what the opponents are going to do to make it easy on the defense.

Garrett couldn’t sniff the jock of Peyton. If Peyton has loyalty to a 5’11” QB that rose above physical limitations to put up ridiculous numbers in his offense and win a SB, that’s loyalty. Garrett is incompetent at devising offenses and play-calling period.

Plus, the Saints got completely hosed in the playoff game against the Rams in the Conference Championship, meaning the game to the Sb. Everybody knows it.

zerofill said:

I don't think we ever had a chance to get him. I think Brady is much to intelligent for that. He spent a lot of time analyzing his options, and picking TB.

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Well I doubt he would have come here, but the jones boys made no effort to obtain him. They felt they were better off with dak,
and didnt want to insult dak by going after brady.

Many thought Brady was done, washed up, I saw many posts here in CZ.
I predicted Tom would get TB in playoffs, and was not surprised till yesterday.
I didnt think TB could beat the saints, who had been playing very good.

khiladi said:

Peyton got kicked out for a year and got robbed of multiple draft picks and has them competitive year in and out. Patriots get slaps on the wrist for cheating and Bellichek sits pretty as HC, with no suspension at all. Please spare me the ‘bounty gate’ incentive to discredit the win , which has zero to do with stealing opponents plays and deciphering what the opponents are going to do to make it easy on the defense.

Garrett couldn’t sniff the jock of Peyton. If Peyton has loyalty to a 5’11” QB that rose above physical limitations to put up ridiculous numbers in his offense and win a SB, that’s loyalty. Garrett is incompetent at devising offenses and play-calling period.

Plus, the Saints got completely hosed in the playoff game against the Rams in the Conference Championship, meaning the game to the Sb. Everybody knows it.

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Well I agree with some of what you say, but the saints SB win is tainted, because to get there they intentionally tried to hurt the opponents QB's
mainly the 2 older ones Warner and Farve. That was about as low as it gets, much worse than what BB has done cheating.
I think either farve or warner would have been in SB if not for Saints low class tactics.

DandyDon52 said:

Well I agree with some of what you say, but the saints SB win is tainted, because to get there they intentionally tried to hurt the opponents QB's
mainly the 2 older ones Warner and Farve. That was about as low as it gets, much worse than what BB has done cheating.
I think either farve or warner would have been in SB if not for Saints low class tactics.

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Who even knows? I mean the whole thing was just vague accusations, locker room talk and nobody even got hurt. Spying on the other hand and the NFL burning the tapes before they get to NY, tapping NFL communication booths, sending play calls after the 15 second cut off period is a completely different issue. If defensive players wanted to hurt these QBs, they could have easily done it. That whole thing seemed to mask other issues.

khiladi said:

Peyton got kicked out for a year and got robbed of multiple draft picks and has them competitive year in and out. Patriots get slaps on the wrist for cheating and Bellichek sits pretty as HC, with no suspension at all. Please spare me the ‘bounty gate’ incentive to discredit the win , which has zero to do with stealing opponents plays and deciphering what the opponents are going to do to make it easy on the defense.

Garrett couldn’t sniff the jock of Peyton. If Peyton has loyalty to a 5’11” QB that rose above physical limitations to put up ridiculous numbers in his offense and win a SB, that’s loyalty. Garrett is incompetent at devising offenses and play-calling period.

Plus, the Saints got completely hosed in the playoff game against the Rams in the Conference Championship, meaning the game to the Sb. Everybody knows it.

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I was more talking about their inability to put it together in the playoffs. And even though that was a bogus call, Drew Brees and Sean Peyton still had a chance to win the game there in overtime but Brees threw an interception

Dreski said:

I was more talking about their inability to put it together in the playoffs. And even though that was a bogus call, Drew Brees and Sean Peyton still had a chance to win the game there in overtime but Brees threw an interception

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That’s nothing like Garrett and Romo. Garrett is completely incompetent as a play caller and Romo
was tied to a guy, only because of Jerry’s infatuation with Garrett. Peyton on the other hand consistently has his teams competing and Brees flaw is his height. When teams get some pressure on the interior, his view gets easily obscured. That’s just physical limitations.

Garrett on the other hand is completely incompetent. Like I said, Sturm posted a stat that between 2008-2011, Garrett didn’t call a single three WR set while Romo was under center. Garrett didn’t even have Romo on game planning meetings when he was in charge of play calling.

JoeyBoy718 said:

I looked at the Bucs 2020 offseason, and they only signed Tom Brady, Gronk and a backup RT. So basically a 43 year old Tom Brady was the difference between 7-9 and 11-5 and a deep playoff run.

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You forgot Fournette, a 26 year old running back, who last year had 1,152 yards rushing and 76 receptions for 522 yards for Jacksonville. Buc's lead back last year had 724 yards rushing and 31 receptions for 309 yards. Fournette himself at Jacksonville had nearly as many rushing yards and receiving yards as the first two running backs for TB had combined last year.

Another upgrade.

As far as Brady being the difference between 7-9 and 11-5, if Winston had thrown just a couple of less interceptions at critical moments, Bucs would have finished probably 9-7.

In other words the Bucs could have signed a "bus driver" quarterback, who took care of the ball and didn't throw a ton of ints, and ended up 11-5.

Now playoffs are a different matter, Brady's experience is a big factor, but we'll see if that gets him another SB appearance or win...