Cowboys should non exclusive tag Dak

HungryLion · Jan 22, 2021

Hardline said:
There's not a single team that would give up one first round draft pick. Much less two.

I call BS. Teams have given up first rounders for Sam freaking Bradford.

teams give multiple firsts and other premium picks to trade up and draft QB’s who have never played in the NFL. They do it all the time.

There’s no reason to believe there wouldn’t be teams willing to trade picks for Dak. Maybe not 2. But to say definitively no team would even give up a 1? There is no factual basis to state that.

Hardline · Jan 22, 2021

DakPresgoat said:
I call BS. Teams have given up first rounders for Sam freaking Bradford.

teams give multiple firsts and other premium picks to trade up and draft QB’s who have never played in the NFL. They do it all the time.

There’s no reason to believe there wouldn’t be teams willing to trade picks for Dak.

They would definitely give up picks but not a first.
The Eagles got lucky and found a sucker for Bradford.
Plus Jerry most of the time gets the short end of the stick in trade deals.

HungryLion · Jan 22, 2021

Hardline said:
They would definitely give up picks but not a first.
The Eagles got lucky and found a sucker for Bradford.
Plus Jerry most of the time gets the short end of the stick in trade deals.

Dak is a much better QB than Bradford.

again I just don’t see any way somebody can definitively say they wouldn’t get a first for Dak.

The only way to know for sure. Would be to put him on the trade block or the non exclusive tag.

Turk · Jan 22, 2021

I think that Dak's agent probably has a good idea of what Dak could get on the market; now the question is the two first round picks.

Dak is a very good QB but not a great one. And he is going to cost. A team has to consider both giving up those picks and the cap hit as well.

Jags, Colts, Jets and Pats have the most cap space.

Jags get first pick and I think Lawrence is a dead certain there. Fields would be next probably; to the Jets. Wilson is a bit of a gamble. Colts pick at 21 and the pats at 15.
Would BB pull the trigger on a QB that is a vet and seems to be a winner?

cowboyec · Jan 22, 2021

just sign him and lets get on with team building.

LittleD · Jan 22, 2021

jazzcat22 said:
Or they can just get a deal done before they have to tag him.

Nope, the optimal deal for the Cowboys is to tag and trade him to a needy team for a wheel barrel of picks. We need a boatload of new players, not an
overpriced QB who eats up most of our cap for years.

Hawkeye19 · Jan 22, 2021

cowboyec said:
just sign him and lets get on with team building.

Yup. I think this happens. In fact, I think JJ steals some limelight and makes a splash during Super Bowl week by announcing Dak's new deal. That would be such a "Jerry" thing to do lol...

Hawkeye0202 · Jan 22, 2021

John813 said:
Well one downside is that a team could offer a deal with a higher 2021 cap hit, if they can afford it, hypothetically like the Colts could, making it tough to match- if he signs that deal.

Or another team could offer the 4 year deal, while Dallas IMO really wants the 5 so they can play with cap hits early on.

So, there is some negative possibilities if another team is seriously interested in Dak.

I think this is exactly why Jerry and Stephen won't consider it. In fact, if you look back, they've used the tag what 3-4 times, but never the non-exclusive tag coz they didn't wanna expose their players to free agency knowing they could AND would sign him. But I do agree with OP if you can't get him signed before the deadline to apply the tag, you have to start thinking about other possible outcomes/endings such as compensation.

But when you see the number of teams out there with legit QB questions, you kinda wanna hit the pause button a bit IMO. It suddenly appears there's a shortage of high-level QBs in the league. The recent thread suggested almost a dozen teams with legit questions.

HungryLion · Jan 22, 2021

Hawkeye0202 said:
I think this is exactly why Jerry and Stephen won't consider it. In fact, if you look back, they've used the tag what 3-4 times, but never the non-exclusive tag coz they didn't wanna expose their players to free agency knowing they could AND would sign him. But I do agree with OP if you can't get him signed before the deadline to apply the tag, you have to start thinking about other possible outcomes/endings such as compensation.

But when you see the number of teams out there with legit QB questions, you kinda wanna hit the pause button a bit IMO. It suddenly appears there's a shortage of high-level QBs in the league. The recent thread suggested almost a dozen teams with legit questions.

That recent thread is what spurred me to bring up this topic.

a lot of QB hungry teams. And not enough high quality draft prospects to go around.

CouchCoach · Jan 22, 2021

This avoids the real question. Do they want Prescott as the long term QB?

If a team uses the non-exclusive tag, they are asking the league to set the value and then they have the option to match it. That might work with other positions but not the QB. That's why we haven't seen that used on QB's.

There is also a vital question to be asked. What does the team want? Their leader was injured because he had to leave the pocket to make a play, as he's done many times and he's even initiated contact to add yards or a score, what team doesn't want that guy on their team?

Do you think his teammates blame him like many do here? He's not "padding stats" as some have said here, a ridiculous idea anyway, he's playing the game and not quitting, he's playing football.

It is the responsibility of the Joneses to give their players it's best leaders and difference makers. What message does it send to the rest of the team if they're willing to take a chance on another team taking their leader?

This entire idea of trying to make this game about the dollars and cents of it with the most important position in the game is ridiculous. Let's say you are a UFA and up and they put the non-exclusive tag on your QB. You more or less motivated to try and make a deal with this team or move on?

Once you've decided he's your guy, you do whatever necessary to keep him. I believe they have decided that and will give him a long term deal. I think they've already agreed to it but Booger will try and milk the media just a little but more.

Turk · Jan 22, 2021

The D has a lot of holes; we need at least 5 serious up grades.

While the O is in good shape we really do not know the condition of Tyron. We might need a LT. Clearly we do not have anyone currently who can play that position at a high level. So there are in my view 6 serious needs that require a first or second round pick. IF we were to get 2 more first round picks for DAK then we have a shot of filling most of the holes this year. Especially since we would then have that cap space to use on FA's.

That of course leaves us without a QB.

Thus the conundrum.

Clearly a team with a lousy D is going nowhere in the playoffs. No matter how good your QB.

with limited cap space and limited high picks it will take us at least two years to rebuild the D. IF we are spending so much of our cap space at QB.

Hawkeye0202 · Jan 22, 2021

CouchCoach said:
The question is how will that be received? I think that's what stopped them from doing that last year.

This is like telling your wife if she can find another man, go ahead. Think she won't be motivated to find one?

I think, from a QB's point of view, there is a world of difference in the exclusivity of the tag. One says "we love you" and the other says "we like you". QB's want to be loved.

+100%......it matters at the QB position

InTheZone · Jan 22, 2021

Dallas wants him but not at a price out of what they want. They know desperate teams out there would break the bank even more. Sucks that the team simply wont sell high if the opportunity was there.

Turk · Jan 22, 2021

CouchCoach said:
This avoids the real question. Do they want Prescott as the long term QB?

If a team uses the non-exclusive tag, they are asking the league to set the value and then they have the option to match it. That might work with other positions but not the QB. That's why we haven't seen that used on QB's.

There is also a vital question to be asked. What does the team want? Their leader was injured because he had to leave the pocket to make a play, as he's done many times and he's even initiated contact to add yards or a score, what team doesn't want that guy on their team?

Do you think his teammates blame him like many do here? He's not "padding stats" as some have said here, a ridiculous idea anyway, he's playing the game and not quitting, he's playing football.

It is the responsibility of the Joneses to give their players it's best leaders and difference makers. What message does it send to the rest of the team if they're willing to take a chance on another team taking their leader?

This entire idea of trying to make this game about the dollars and cents of it with the most important position in the game is ridiculous. Let's say you are a UFA and up and they put the non-exclusive tag on your QB. You more or less motivated to try and make a deal with this team or move on?

Once you've decided he's your guy, you do whatever necessary to keep him. I believe they have decided that and will give him a long term deal. I think they've already agreed to it but Booger will try and milk the media just a little but more.

Sorry but the leadership stuff is really not that important. As long as the QB is not a POS if he wins the leadership question solves itself. Not important to this debate.

HungryLion · Jan 22, 2021

USArmyVet said:
My guess is you could easily open the call lines to Indy, Jets, SF, Miami, Denver, and NE as those teams either have plenty of draft pick resources and/or financial resources to make a deal for Dak happen.

I agree. I think Trading for Dak makes a ton of sense for teams that may feel like they are a QB away from competing for a championship.

Indy, Chicago, San Fran, NE These are all squads that are good teams but need a QB desperately.

They may think Dak could push them over the top to make a run over the next 2-3 years. And aren’t worried about the LONG term cap implications because they are trying to win now.

CouchCoach · Jan 22, 2021

DakPresgoat said:
That recent thread is what spurred me to bring up this topic.

a lot of QB hungry teams. And not enough high quality draft prospects to go around.

And some of those prospects have ?'s next to their name.

We have to accept one reality. In times of a shortage of A QB's, B's are going to get A money. It is simply a case of supply and demand.

How many of these teams would prefer to take their chance with a QB they've seen play as opposed to one they hope can play? They all want a Josh Allen but there are Josh Rosen's out there as well. If Prescott is made available for just 2 1sts, how much of their fanbase would be in favor of that.

Remember, the division in here over Prescott is not the real world. Most fans compare what is to what they don't have and there's is nothing not to like about Prescott.

HungryLion · Jan 22, 2021

USArmyVet said:
We as fans will of course be divided on this: one half will say Dak must be signed at all costs as we do not have a replacement; the other half will say Dak is not the answer and Dallas needs to move on.

Regardless of the side you fall on, Jerry Jones will never commit to a rebuild even though this team desperately needs a rebuild so chances are either Dak gets the franchise tag again or he gets signed to a big contract extension.

Personally speaking I am on the side of blowing this whole team up to include the likes of Dak, Zeke, Cooper, DLaw, J. Smith and get back as much draft stock as possible. The money dedicated (or will be dedicated) to these players alone will make up a tremendous amount of the Dallas salary cap and while they of course need to be replaced, I think the real reason this team is not winning and is soft is because Jerry Jones allows for a buddy buddy, spotlight on the individual, weak intestinal fortitude team to take the field so nothing will ever change so long as Jerry is around.

Jerry is definitely the primary problem for this team. Has been for decades now.

I think you’re right that some people feel that way.

I do think people need to be more open minded to either way.

I am a big Dak fan. He is my favorite current player. But I am a cowboy fan first. When the day arrives that Dak is no longer around. I will still be a cowboy fan and want whoever is the QB and the team to succeed.

The honest truth is. Both routes carry risk.

signing Dak carries risk because you have to deal with the cap ramifications of a large long term QB deal. Which makes roster building more challenging.

Letting Dak go. Also carries risks. Some people have the, I believe, false mindset that replacing Dak will be easy. I don’t think that’s true. Even if you spend a top 10 pick on a QB. There is a 50% chance at best, likely lower, that the QB you take will be as good as Dak. Let alone better.

there is a significant chance the QB you take will stink.

There is a relatively small chance they will be an elite QB like a Mahomes or Rodgers.

Any of the choices carry risk. That’s why I am open to suggestions on different ways for the team to go.

I do think him playing on the tag another season is the worst possible choice they could make.

Either sign him long term. OR get some draft picks for him and let’s try to draft a QB and hope the scouts and McCarthy can hit a home run.

baltcowboy · Jan 22, 2021

DakPresgoat said:
I am a Dak fan. I believe in him.

I do think some teams would be interested in singing him for 2 firsts.

I do think it’s one way to actually get a deal done with the cowboys though too.

Far as I can remember. If they tag Dak. They can still negotiate with him until July.

Something has to break the current impasse.

Having Dak play a second year on the tag is the WORST thing that could happen.

I get it. Nobody wants to wait until July but Dak’s agent is one of those aholes that wants top dollar for his client. I am telling you if the make that tag non exclusive, The Football Team will start putting together a contract to take Dak from us. Two first round picks picks in the mid to late 20s is nothing for a player of Dak’s ability. Especially if the rumors about Watson is true. (Three first round picks+)

CouchCoach · Jan 22, 2021

Turk said:
Sorry but the leadership stuff is really not that important. As long as the QB is not a POS if he wins the leadership question solves itself. Not important to this debate.

I disagree, every team wants their QB to be the leader. That was the failing of many QB's with more arm talent than Prescott. Cutler and George had as good an arm as the NFL has seen but between the ears where leadership lies, not enough.

Vtwin · Jan 22, 2021

Yup. Should have done this last year. Definitely should go that route this year with Dak coming off the injury.

I don't buy the 'jilted lover' concerns. This is a business and both sides are playing hardball. If a player gets upset with a non exclusive tag to the point where his play suffers do you really want him? Especially in a leadership position? Not to mention it would be a terrible attitude to take as it would likely affect future negotiations/earnings for the sensitive player.

Cowboys should non exclusive tag Dak

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