Twitter: 5 safeties the Cowboys could dive into free agency for

Stash · Jan 23, 2021

Bowdown27 said:
It’s the same every year hope for a big name to come. But nope. We’re not asking for 4-5 guys but a big name one of our need positions would do wonders

I’d advise anyone looking at big money safeties not to get your hopes up.

Cowboyny · Jan 23, 2021

exciter said:
He’s being projected at around 14 to 15m, reason Saints are letting him walk and why he’s most assuredly out of Jerry’s price range by a lot!

No chance he coming with that type of salary.

Bowdown27 · Jan 23, 2021

stasheroo said:
I’d advise anyone looking at big money safeties not to get your hopes up.

Exactly.

Cowboyny · Jan 23, 2021

Hawkeye0202 said:
Honestly, I know probably won't do it but since this position is critical to Quinn's defense, why not ALL IN and do whatever you have and sign on the top free agents ( Simmons or Maye ). This way you can draft Farley or Surtain and lockdown the secondary for the next 3 years. Hell, get us 315-320lb DT, suddenly our DLine AND secondary is in good shape. In other words, do whatever you have to do capwise to get Simmons or Maye. I'd much rather go this way even if it means no cap money to any other free agent other than keeping our low-level guys that we would normally move on from.

As fans, it makes a lot of sense, especially with a very weak safety class. However, there are so many in house fa's, they have to sign many players:

-Erving-need a quality swing tackle
-Aldon Smith-need at least three veteran pass rushers
-Hill/Gallimore-probably would like a veteran starting so these two can be brought along slowly
-Woods-the only 1 Tech on the roster and he wants out if not the starter
-Lee/Thomas-with the durability concerns with Lve, they almost have to sign another starter. Now they are also moving the the 4-3
-Both Awuzie/Lewis are fa's, another starting caliber or former starter is needed
-Thompson is more likely to be released, Woods is a fa, all we have is Wilson, Robinson who has yet to play a single snap

That's at least 8 spots they have to take care of. They will create some funds with restructures and perhaps if Dak signs his extension, but they just want have the funds to address the whole roster if they went all in signing a safety.

Hawkeye0202 · Jan 23, 2021

Cowboyny said:
As fans, it makes a lot of sense, especially with a very weak safety class. However, there are so many in house fa's, they have to sign many players:

-Erving-need a quality swing tackle
-Aldon Smith-need at least three veteran pass rushers
-Hill/Gallimore-probably would like a veteran starting so these two can be brought along slowly
-Woods-the only 1 Tech on the roster and he wants out if not the starter
-Lee/Thomas-with the durability concerns with Lve, they almost have to sign another starter. Now they are also moving the the 4-3
-Both Awuzie/Lewis are fa's, another starting caliber or former starter is needed
-Thompson is more likely to be released, Woods is a fa, all we have is Wilson, Robinson who has yet to play a single snap

That's at least 8 spots they have to take care of. They will create some funds with restructures and perhaps if Dak signs his extension, but they just want have the funds to address the whole roster if they went all in signing a safety.

I know man........kinda like having a garage full of used cars but no car payment vs a brand new car with payments (LOL)

Cowboyny · Jan 23, 2021

Hawkeye0202 said:
I know man........kinda like having a garage full of used cars but no car payment vs a brand new car with payments (LOL)

Yes, nice analogy!

Hawkeye0202 · Jan 23, 2021

Cowboyny said:
Yes, nice analogy!

LOL ...which would you rather have??????

stilltheguru · Jan 23, 2021

fivetwos said:
Woods is probably coming back.

He won't get any real offers because the rest of the league isn't blind to his awful play.

The cheap kid will compare what they can get Woods for vs the cost of a real safety and resign their 6th round prize.

They would rather pay a safety that can't play 3-5m than 10-15 for one that can.

The over evaluation of their own continues.

So we'll sign him to awful play. Lol makes sense

Cowboyny · Jan 23, 2021

Hawkeye0202 said:
LOL ...which would you rather have??????

Brand new car of coarse. However, some players fall off after they land their 1st big contract. What happens if they bust with huge guarantees still on their books? A used car could die and just get another.

Ranched · Jan 24, 2021

The Cowboys did find a safety that could make plays for them regularly in Donovan Wilson. He’ll likely be the starter at the strong safety or box safety spot when they break camp this year.

As good as Wilson has been, he has limitations playing the deep safety role in a defense. He’s better in the box, so they need to find a player with range who can patrol the deep middle of the defense.

Kolemmitt · Jan 24, 2021

I'm going to agree with the OP and go against the majority on this. I think (maybe it is just hope) this is the year where we spend some quality money at FS.

A few reasons why:

1. We are actually better cap-wise than a lot of teams. We aren't rolling in the dough, but our cap is more flexible than most think. We can get one pretty good FA and still get the normal group of bargain-bins without doing much, or putting ourselves in cap purgatory. There are a lot of other teams that will be hurting much worse than we are.

2. Jerry is convinced that this offense, with a little luck in the health department, is ready to win NOW, and I tend to agree. The mindset is that the defense does not need to be dominant, just competent, and getting a solid, vet FS is the quickest step we can take in that direction.

3. I think we bargin-bin at DT and CB because there is quality depth in the draft at those positions. I would bet a substantial portion of what is my wallet that CB is our 1st round pick and he will be penciled in as the starter for week 1. I think McCoy and Woods are brought back to team with Gallimore and Hill along with a monster NT from the draft. I just don't see a FS in the draft that I, or Jerry, would want to rely on to start. MAYBE, the TCU kid, but do you really want to depend on getting the one FS in the draft that might be ready to start?

4. I think the strategy of not valuing S and DT is more of a Rod thing than a Jerry thing. I will give Jerry credit that he gives the coaches a lot of say in the personal. I think it is obvious that Quinn values S and monster DTs much more than Rod.

Hawkeye0202 · Jan 24, 2021

Kolemmitt said:
I'm going to agree with the OP and go against the majority on this. I think (maybe it is just hope) this is the year where we spend some quality money at FS.

A few reasons why:

1. We are actually better cap-wise than a lot of teams. We aren't rolling in the dough, but our cap is more flexible than most think. We can get one pretty good FA and still get the normal group of bargain-bins without doing much, or putting ourselves in cap purgatory. There are a lot of other teams that will be hurting much worse than we are.

2. Jerry is convinced that this offense, with a little luck in the health department, is ready to win NOW, and I tend to agree. The mindset is that the defense does not need to be dominant, just competent, and getting a solid, vet FS is the quickest step we can take in that direction.

3. I think we bargin-bin at DT and CB because there is quality depth in the draft at those positions. I would bet a substantial portion of what is my wallet that CB is our 1st round pick and he will be penciled in as the starter for week 1. I think McCoy and Woods are brought back to team with Gallimore and Hill along with a monster NT from the draft. I just don't see a FS in the draft that I, or Jerry, would want to rely on to start. MAYBE, the TCU kid, but do you really want to depend on getting the one FS in the draft that might be ready to start?

4. I think the strategy of not valuing S and DT is more of a Rod thing than a Jerry thing. I will give Jerry credit that he gives the coaches a lot of say in the personal. I think it is obvious that Quinn values S and monster DTs much more than Rod.

100%........I agree and also might add, from what we are hearing, a quality high-level FS is critical to the success of Quinn's D. Not sure we could say that about Marinelli's D.

Whirlwin · Jan 24, 2021

They’re going to draft Trevon in the second round

stilltheguru · Jan 24, 2021

Whirlwin said:
They’re going to draft Trevon in the second round

You cant really bank on that. And if they sign a vet it'll be a guy that gets decent money since they say free safety is so important to this defense. They arent drafting moehrig to play box safety

eromeopolk · Jan 24, 2021

Hawkeye0202 said:
I honestly think this route we'll likely take to replace Woods

https://thelandryhat.com/2021/01/23/dallas-cowboys-5-safeties-free-agency/2/

( Side note: I've said keep an eye on the 'other' Vike safety, Harrison Smith, he's on the final year of his deal..could be a cap casualty)

5 safeties the Cowboys could dive into free agency for

by Angel Torres2 hours ago

How about playing the safeties you drafted like Donovan Wilson, Brock Marion, etc., find a UDFA that can start like Barry Church, Mike Downs, Cliff Harris, sign a young player that was labeled a trouble maker but was a play maker like James "drive by" Washington, or trade for a Safety that is a proven starter like Thomas Everett.

Stop blocking the progress of your young players with players other teams have discarded. How about take a draft pick and take the chance on Cleveland Brown injured S Grant Delpit like the real Dallas Cowboys did with Chuck Howley. Howley was a young player that got injured in Chicago his second year, he went on the the Dallas Cowboys Ring of Honor after the Cowboys traded a 2nd and ninth round pick for him.

Why get someone you are going to look to replace the next year?

xwalker · Jan 24, 2021

SeanLee50 said:
Simmons ... cost too much
Maye ... cost too much
Thomas ... no. Just no
Williams ... would be cheaper than the rest. But likely still getting 8-10 per year
Harris ... cost too much

Harrison Smith IMO, is more of what we’ve seen here. He’s better suited playing closer to the LOS.

Most likely signings IMO ... Kazee or Woods back on a one year deal.

I expect it to be Kazee.

stilltheguru · Jan 24, 2021

xwalker said:
I expect it to be Kazee.

Might as well keep Woods

Rogerthat12 · Jan 25, 2021

stasheroo said:
I don’t expect any major splashes in free agency.

We like our guys...S Jones...

Jake · Jan 26, 2021

Time for the first of many articles on safeties the Cowboys won't sign, I see. It must be the off season.

fivetwos · Jan 26, 2021

Kolemmitt said:
I'm going to agree with the OP and go against the majority on this. I think (maybe it is just hope) this is the year where we spend some quality money at FS.

A few reasons why:

1. We are actually better cap-wise than a lot of teams. We aren't rolling in the dough, but our cap is more flexible than most think. We can get one pretty good FA and still get the normal group of bargain-bins without doing much, or putting ourselves in cap purgatory. There are a lot of other teams that will be hurting much worse than we are.

2. Jerry is convinced that this offense, with a little luck in the health department, is ready to win NOW, and I tend to agree. The mindset is that the defense does not need to be dominant, just competent, and getting a solid, vet FS is the quickest step we can take in that direction.

3. I think we bargin-bin at DT and CB because there is quality depth in the draft at those positions. I would bet a substantial portion of what is my wallet that CB is our 1st round pick and he will be penciled in as the starter for week 1. I think McCoy and Woods are brought back to team with Gallimore and Hill along with a monster NT from the draft. I just don't see a FS in the draft that I, or Jerry, would want to rely on to start. MAYBE, the TCU kid, but do you really want to depend on getting the one FS in the draft that might be ready to start?

4. I think the strategy of not valuing S and DT is more of a Rod thing than a Jerry thing. I will give Jerry credit that he gives the coaches a lot of say in the personal. I think it is obvious that Quinn values S and monster DTs much more than Rod.

Good post.

I agree on the defense having to only be competent, but that'll likely get them back to losing in the first or getting smashed in round two.

They will need to be a little better than that to win this time of year. If things all fall into place perfectly, maybe for 2022.

But by then....what is the OT situation? How much more has 21 declined? Can we keep the 3 WR?

Lastly....I think its a negative that Jerry allows coach input on draftees. There's a reason why coaches coach and scouts scout.

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