LB Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah - BEAST!

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He's got game, but 6'1" 215? That's WR size.

I'm out on JOK at #10... I'll bet you Micah Parsons will nearly match his Combine times at 6'3" 245.
 
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JeffInDC said:
Darius Leonard, the Colts All-Pro LB, played at 215 this year. The way offenses are constructed in the NFL today basically calls for a Base Nickel D...just depends how the DC wants to configure it. In Dallas, if you draft him, you already have 2 “traditional” size guys in Jaylon and LVE, so adding the “smaller” guy shouldn’t be an issue.
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Yeah, we all need to accept that the game has changed and it is not going back. The old standards are not written in stone.
 
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In today’s NFL JOK can play LB. There are more and more guys like him popping up on defenses around the league. Deion Jones, Darius Leonard, LaVonte David, Queen in Baltimore... they’re chess pieces that defensive coordinators use in many ways.

10 might be a little rich for him but with a small trade back, I’d be very happy with him. Dallas needs a LB with lateral quickness and the ability to change direction in space. Smith and LVE are so long and their center of gravity is so high that they just can’t change directions quickly enough all the time. Joe Thomas is the only guy Dallas has that is even close to that.

JOK would add a serious shot of athleticism the the Dallas defense, and the second level could definitely use that, IMO.
 

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JOK is about 215 pounds and that’s probably generous. He’s built like a safety. He’d get destroyed in the run game. There is no way he is a better LB prospect than Parsons. He’s explosive and he can really operate in space. He can definitely cover but I don’t want him lining up at LB in my base defense. Just won’t work.
 

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Weren't people saying Leonard played at 215lbs this season? I don't think JOK has Leonard's instincts, but he has more explosiveness and athleticism.

The end all answer to our LB woes isn't just "get a big body." I'm so tired of hearing that. It's also about schemes and gap play and the aggressiveness of your backers. Our linebackers constantly get met downfiel by OL because they sit there and wait. Not just because there isn't enough beef up front. It's schematic and a symptom of having two finesse backers.

Even at 215, if JOK is willing to fire through gaps, instead of sit and wait, he can play the position. That said, most backers put on 10-15lbs when they get into NFL programs and their metabolism slows down. JOK at 225 is more than enough meat to stack and shed as long as it's done with decisiveness and aggression. No more of this letting the OL come to you BS Jaylon does.

All that said, I wouldn't take him at 10. Late teens is his sweet spot I think. If Surtain isn't there at #10, I'm trading back or taking Leatherwood.
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No...Leonard was 235lbs with 34 inch arms as a prospect and had tape being a bully against blockers. Basically the opposite of JOK.
 

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texbumthelife said:
https://clutchpoints.com/colts-darius-leonard-opens-up-about-playing-undersized/
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Interesting read...I wonder why every other site out there has him listed around 230 or so?

That being said, even if we were comparing them as 220 pound LBr prospects Leonard was actually a great LBr in college and showcased the ability to stack & shed and play through trash.

JOK doesn't even really play LBr at ND. He lined up as a nickel slot defender and as an outside backer at times. I just don't see how the skill set translates without a position change.
 
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cnuball21 said:
Interesting read...I wonder why every other site out there has him listed around 230 or so?

That being said, even if we were comparing them as 220 pound LBr prospects Leonard was actually a great LBr in college and showcased the ability to stack & shed and play through trash.

JOK doesn't even really play LBr at ND. He lined up as a nickel slot defender and as an outside backer at times. I just don't see how the skill set translates without a position change.
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I'm not sure what other sites are listing. I know he came out publicly talking about playing at 215 and that being his preferred weight.

I'm not comparing them skills wise or saying JOK is Leonard, I'm just pointing out its entirely possible to play LB at 215 and do it very well.
 

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I'm not sure what other sites are listing. I know he came out publicly talking about playing at 215 and that being his preferred weight.

I'm not comparing them skills wise or saying JOK is Leonard, I'm just pointing out its entirely possible to play LB at 215 and do it very well.
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Fair enough...but we have no idea how much of that season he played at 215 and what other seasons he's been at that weight.

Sure it's possible, but I'm trying to avoid drafting outliers in the first few rounds hoping they'll be successful.
 
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cnuball21 said:
Fair enough...but we have no idea how much of that season he played at 215 and what other seasons he's been at that weight.

Sure it's possible, but I'm trying to avoid drafting outliers in the first few rounds hoping they'll be successful.
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What? He played at that weight the entire season, dude. He's played at that weight for two seasons now. Lol

Again, I'm not advocating for JOK. In my first post in this thread I said I wouldn't take him at 10. But, he's definitely first round talent. He's an explosive player and a splash play waiting to happen. Dallas needs playmaker on defense. Period. If you have a shot at one, you take him. It's on the coaches to make sure he's put in a position to use his unique skill set.

There isn't a single defensive player in this draft that's sure fire. They all have warts. Parsons avoids contact and runs around blocks. Surtain might be slow. Farley is extremely green and has injury questions. There really isn't an elite dline prospect in the entire draft.

If you avoid difference makers and play makers because they don't fit some cookie cutter mold or idea you have in your head, then you're never going to field and elite defense. Or even an above average one, probably.
 

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What? He played at that weight the entire season, dude. He's played at that weight for two seasons now. Lol

Again, I'm not advocating for JOK. In my first post in this thread I said I wouldn't take him at 10. But, he's definitely first round talent. He's an explosive player and a splash play waiting to happen. Dallas needs playmaker on defense. Period. If you have a shot at one, you take him. It's on the coaches to make sure he's put in a position to use his unique skill set.

There isn't a single defensive player in this draft that's sure fire. They all have warts. Parsons avoids contact and runs around blocks. Surtain might be slow. Farley is extremely green and has injury questions. There really isn't an elite dline prospect in the entire draft.

If you avoid difference makers and play makers because they don't fit some cookie cutter mold or idea you have in your head, then you're never going to field and elite defense. Or even an above average one, probably.
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What I was getting at is we have no idea what weight he played at week in week out over the course of his career. He was 234 at the combine. A lot of the main sites list him around 230 and the article references him playing at 215.

I agree with you 100%...he's a great athlete and is explosive. He just doesn't really have a natural position. Every prospect has watch outs but every other player you listed will naturally transition to the exact same position in the NFL. The higher the pick the more I want to eliminate questions and concerns...too many with JOK.
 
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JaVonte Smith is 170 pounds, but I'd take him in a heartbeat. Mark Stepnoski was 265 pounds, but regularly handled 300 pound DTs. Dexter Coakley was 5-9 225, but was a great LB for us.

If I player can play....draft them.
 

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Bizwah said:
JaVonte Smith is 170 pounds, but I'd take him in a heartbeat. Mark Stepnoski was 265 pounds, but regularly handled 300 pound DTs. Dexter Coakley was 5-9 225, but was a great LB for us.

If I player can play....draft them.
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Sure..and you're talking about 3rd rounders that hit. If we're talking about rolling the dice on an outlier type player in the 3rd I'm in...not in the 1st round.
 
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this cat intrigues me.
if he's on the board when we pick in the 2nd...i think i turn his card in.
he's probably mid to late 1st.
too rich at 10....but trade down...i'd be interested.
i also like his teammate...de daelin hayes.
he's a helluva player in my opinion.
 
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cnuball21 said:
Sure..and you're talking about 3rd rounders that hit. If we're talking about rolling the dice on an outlier type player in the 3rd I'm in...not in the 1st round.
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Davonta Smith is a third round prospect? QBs the last few years have seen size norms go out the window.

Kyler Murray and Baker Mayfield are both small for QBs.

The point is, if a guy can play, you need to take him.

Ten is a little high. I totally agree there. Trade into the teens....I'm all over it.
 
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Davonta Smith is a third round prospect? QBs the last few years have seen size norms go out the window.

Kyler Murray and Baker Mayfield are both small for QBs.

The point is, if a guy can play, you need to take him.

Ten is a little high. I totally agree there. Trade into the teens....I'm all over it.
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I was referencing the other 2...not Smith.

I agree with you to an extent but I’m just not taking the “outlier” player early and hoping I hit.
 
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