How to build a winner during the QB contract cycle

Whyjerry · Jan 25, 2021

Hey Kids. Deep thoughts here. As Dallas is not in the playoffs again I have been having deep thoughts about life and how to win in the cap constrained NFL. The cap was adopted in 1994 so its been around 26 years. If you look through time 2 winning models dominate - Win during the rookie deal and Superstars taking a discount. The only outlier is Mahomes and he just signed his deal so we need to see where KC is in a couple seasons. The top paid player is never the champion. Manning’s contract hurt the Giants, Ryan never won, Stafford never makes the playoffs, Rivers retires winning nothing, Rodgers hasn’t won since he became the highest paid, and it goes on and on. Wilson is an example of a rookie contract winner and Brady, of course, an example of a guy that won multiple times taking a discounted salary.

I am so back and forth on Dak. Love the guy but can’t get over the fact that this team has so many holes to fill and they need to pay him 40 plus? It is looking like this draft is going to be QB heavy early so almost no shot Wilson or Fields falls in our lap. Watching Wentz the thought of another ND St QB makes me vomit. I also think the chances of Dak taking a discount is zero. Add in the beyond moronic Zeke contract and I officially believe they can’t afford to pay Dak.

Looks to me like the best option is trading Dak, hope a QB drops to them and if not rolling the dice with a short timer and going into tankathon mode for next draft.

That’s my official stance. Am I wrong? What do you think?

Aven8 · Jan 25, 2021

The Zeke contract is a killer now. At the time he was our best player and JG needed him to save his job. It’s the only way he knew how to win. The regression of Zeke has been remarkable. Sad.

HungryLion · Jan 25, 2021

You either have to trade Dak or re-sign him.

Just letting him walk with no compensation to save some cap space would be unwise. IMO

blueblood70 · Jan 25, 2021

DakPresgoat said:
You either have to trade Dak or re-sign him.

Just letting him walk with no compensation to save some cap space would be unwise. IMO

umm FT is still on the table..

Doomsday101 · Jan 25, 2021

I think a long term deal with Dak will happen, 1st year of the deal will be lower and easier to manage, over the length of the deal of course it gets more expensive and like most teams do they will restructure the contract to free up money. I think market value continues to go up and will do so this year regardless if Dallas signs Dak or not because it is what market value is. Frankly I like this better than franchise tag where you are hit with 37 mill off the bat and there is no way to lessen the hit.

ondaedg · Jan 25, 2021

No team is letting a good to great young qb walk because of cap concerns. Not. one.

ghst187 · Jan 25, 2021

Zeke and Jaylon set us back terribly. Could’ve paid Dak and added some quality players at key positions on D.

Whyjerry · Jan 25, 2021

DakPresgoat said:
You either have to trade Dak or re-sign him.

Just letting him walk with no compensation to save some cap space would be unwise. IMO

Exactly. Must trade if they don’t sign him.

blueblood70 · Jan 25, 2021

Aven8 said:
The Zeke contract is a killer now. At the time he was our best player and JG needed him to save his job. It’s the only way he knew how to win. The regression of Zeke has been remarkable. Sad.

not even haf true but good try,, this is dak thread not EE thread but haters pop up like whack a mole..youve been whacked..

the two deals are not tied together. He hasnt regressed, the team has..heck the numbers , w-l way down, injuries' way up, defense was horrible and this is zeke issue?..many players got big deals not just zeke and the cap is massageable , nothings holding back daks deal but Dak and Jerry negotiating the "right" deal for both.

he would have been signed before both of them but he decided to play hard ball and has to sit and wait..he and his agent habe more to do with his FT then Zeke..thats a Fact..big deals were offered and not signed means the FO who have much better idea about capology then you , say they have plenty of cap space..they were near 35 per season last year as an offer , that year after zekes deal..go back to your hole MOLE!

blueblood70 · Jan 25, 2021

ghst187 said:
Zeke and Jaylon set us back terribly. Could’ve paid Dak and added some quality players at key positions on D.

that false narratives the FO already offered many bog deals, the hold up are negotiation's not $$$$$, its finding the right deal for both.. period..has ZERO to do with other contracts as big $$$ was just offered last offseason and he declined it..the FO knows how to manipulate the cap, you sir do NOT have clue....at the time that deal they offered Dak was top 5 in the legue im betting that means they have the $$$.. Daks signing hand must have broken s well, thats the issue..

Hawkeye0202 · Jan 25, 2021

DakPresgoat said:
You either have to trade Dak or re-sign him.

Just letting him walk with no compensation to save some cap space would be unwise. IMO

Do it BEFORE the draft.......afterward, our leverage drops to damn near zero

Whyjerry · Jan 25, 2021

ondaedg said:
No team is letting a good to great young qb walk because of cap concerns. Not. one.

I know this but Dallas might be the first because of how badly managed things are.

fivetwos · Jan 25, 2021

Every team is going to make mistakes and give out big contracts that aren't performing.

It's the nature of too many players to mail it in afterward so its bound to happen.

The way to offset that is with high draft picks that are performing at a high level for cheap.

In Dallas case, guys like LVE, CWilliams, Hill, etc are guys that aren't contributing all that much so here we are.

HungryLion · Jan 25, 2021

blueblood70 said:
umm FT is still on the table..

Yeah and I think playing him another season on the franchise tag is also stupid.

because he then walks next year without any compensation and his cap hit this year is massive.

fivetwos · Jan 25, 2021

Whyjerry said:
Hey Kids. Deep thoughts here. As Dallas is not in the playoffs again I have been having deep thoughts about life and how to win in the cap constrained NFL. The cap was adopted in 1994 so its been around 26 years. If you look through time 2 winning models dominate - Win during the rookie deal and Superstars taking a discount. The only outlier is Mahomes and he just signed his deal so we need to see where KC is in a couple seasons. The top paid player is never the champion. Manning’s contract hurt the Giants, Ryan never won, Stafford never makes the playoffs, Rivers retires winning nothing, Rodgers hasn’t won since he became the highest paid, and it goes on and on. Wilson is an example of a rookie contract winner and Brady, of course, an example of a guy that won multiple times taking a discounted salary.

I am so back and forth on Dak. Love the guy but can’t get over the fact that this team has so many holes to fill and they need to pay him 40 plus? It is looking like this draft is going to be QB heavy early so almost no shot Wilson or Fields falls in our lap. Watching Wentz the thought of another ND St QB makes me vomit. I also think the chances of Dak taking a discount is zero. Add in the beyond moronic Zeke contract and I officially believe they can’t afford to pay Dak.

Looks to me like the best option is trading Dak, hope a QB drops to them and if not rolling the dice with a short timer and going into tankathon mode for next draft.

That’s my official stance. Am I wrong? What do you think?

Still have to pay any starting QB around 25 million so whats the real difference, one more starting player?

What if that extra FA signing turns out to be a bust?

Then you're even. And who ended up being the QB, next years Rivers, or a Bridgewater type?

The idea of trying to nail a QB in the draft on a rookie deal but is also ready to play at a high level is next to zero for this team. They will always beat up on the teams that aren't trying to win which will keep them out of the top draft slots.

blueblood70 · Jan 25, 2021

DakPresgoat said:
Yeah and I think playing him another season on the franchise tag is also stupid.

because he then walks next year without any compensation and his cap hit this year is massive.

if you were FO staff for billion dollars sports franchise id take your comments seriously but the FO for the real DC not the internet GM know it alls have all the bases covered, they know what they are doing..its not just Jerry sitting up on judges pulpit without help..he has an army of team of lawyers, Cpas, and many other executives that deal with just Cap and contracts..

they have it covered..

jeez some of you have no clue..its billion dollar corporation not some home based business they are running..

HungryLion · Jan 25, 2021

blueblood70 said:
if you were FO staff for billion dollars sports franchise id take your comments seriously but the FO for the real DC not the internet GM know it alls have all the bases covered, they know what they are doing..its not just Jerry sitting up on judges pulpit without help..he has an army of team of lawyers, Cpas, and many other executives that deal with just Cap and contracts..

they have it covered..

jeez some of you have no clue..its billion dollar corporation not some home based business they are running..

Yes yes yes. Jerry has it all covered. He has a track record of massive success over the last 25 years.

He and his front office are clearly beyond question at this point.

I mean. Who is anyone to question their decision making at this point? They’re infallible.

HungryLion · Jan 25, 2021

blueblood70 said:
if you were FO staff for billion dollars sports franchise id take your comments seriously but the FO for the real DC not the internet GM know it alls have all the bases covered, they know what they are doing..its not just Jerry sitting up on judges pulpit without help..he has an army of team of lawyers, Cpas, and many other executives that deal with just Cap and contracts..

they have it covered..

jeez some of you have no clue..its billion dollar corporation not some home based business they are running..

Btw, if you’re going to come with the “you’re just a fan, why are you sharing your opinion, you’re just a fan. You’re in no position to question anything”

Then why are you on a cowboys fan message board, going into a thread discussing the QB’s contract status, that was started by a cowboys fan?

if that’s truly how you feel then dont even bother posting on the board or reading anyone’s thoughts.

Either way, you’re in no position to tell me or any other fan on this board, what we are or are not allowed to have opinions about due to our lack of qualifications.

Jake · Jan 25, 2021

Whyjerry said:
Hey Kids. Deep thoughts here. As Dallas is not in the playoffs again I have been having deep thoughts about life and how to win in the cap constrained NFL. The cap was adopted in 1994 so its been around 26 years. If you look through time 2 winning models dominate - Win during the rookie deal and Superstars taking a discount. The only outlier is Mahomes and he just signed his deal so we need to see where KC is in a couple seasons. The top paid player is never the champion. Manning’s contract hurt the Giants, Ryan never won, Stafford never makes the playoffs, Rivers retires winning nothing, Rodgers hasn’t won since he became the highest paid, and it goes on and on. Wilson is an example of a rookie contract winner and Brady, of course, an example of a guy that won multiple times taking a discounted salary.

I am so back and forth on Dak. Love the guy but can’t get over the fact that this team has so many holes to fill and they need to pay him 40 plus? It is looking like this draft is going to be QB heavy early so almost no shot Wilson or Fields falls in our lap. Watching Wentz the thought of another ND St QB makes me vomit. I also think the chances of Dak taking a discount is zero. Add in the beyond moronic Zeke contract and I officially believe they can’t afford to pay Dak.

Looks to me like the best option is trading Dak, hope a QB drops to them and if not rolling the dice with a short timer and going into tankathon mode for next draft.

That’s my official stance. Am I wrong? What do you think?

I think you did a nice job of breaking down the options. The Cowboys will pay Dak and continue to not win anything. They aren't clever enough to roll the dice and go in another direction.

They'll score enough points to be discussed, lose against top competition, keep floundering on defense, and each summer Jerry will think he's got a SB roster. Wash, rinse, repeat.

Whyjerry · Jan 25, 2021

Jake said:
I think you did a nice job of breakdown the options. The Cowboys will pay Dak and continue to not win anything. They aren't clever enough to roll the dice and go in another direction.

They'll score enough points to be discussed, lose against top competition, keep floundering on defense, and each summer Jerry will think he's got a SB roster. Wash, rinse, repeat.

Lol. Yeaaahhh!!!

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