Cowboys problem is we have no system

DandyDon52 said:

Jerry still holds a grudge with jimmy, and he would have to throw a lot of money at him to tempt him. And even then he might not take it.
but for 100 mil for 2 years he might do that.
But then see jimmy would get all the credit and make jerry look like the fool he is, so that will never happen.

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Nothing but truth. Ego, is the reason why this team stinks. The players take on the ego of the most powerful influence, withing the organization. Jerry, Jerry, Jerry!

stilltheguru said:

Stop. That was more bend dont break nonsense. And they were carried by zeke taking away time of possession

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I didn't say it was flawless...I said we had one of the "better defenses" in the league that year.....call it what you want but it was one of the best that year. If you disagree then tell me who was better that year?

Mobinvans said:

I believe 100% “most”of our problems is we have no system or identity....

What is a Cowboy?....I don’t know, no clue

We draft all over the place and very inconsistent in what sort of team we are trying to build

I honestly have no idea what type of team Jerry is trying to build....is it a good defense like Baltimore always has?...(yea right)...is it a good offense like the Saints always have?...NO CLUE

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I’ve been seeing this for the past 20 years . We don’t have players that mattress system we don’t have a system. Thank you Jerry

Dallas is in desperate need of good coaching. Look at the coaches/records after Switzer took Jimmy's team to a championship in his first year. Downhill from there.

Mobinvans said:

I believe 100% “most”of our problems is we have no system or identity....

What is a Cowboy?....I don’t know, no clue

We draft all over the place and very inconsistent in what sort of team we are trying to build

I honestly have no idea what type of team Jerry is trying to build....is it a good defense like Baltimore always has?...(yea right)...is it a good offense like the Saints always have?...NO CLUE

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Are we defense first or offense first?Are we physical or finesse? They just draft athletes and hopes that gets them to the promise land.

Mobinvans said:

I believe 100% “most”of our problems is we have no system or identity....

What is a Cowboy?....I don’t know, no clue

We draft all over the place and very inconsistent in what sort of team we are trying to build

I honestly have no idea what type of team Jerry is trying to build....is it a good defense like Baltimore always has?...(yea right)...is it a good offense like the Saints always have?...NO CLUE

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We had a system with Garrett and with Marinelli - it did not produce results needed. It had 3 relatively successful years but too many 8-8's.

Anybody saying Garrett did not have a system was not watching. His system was to win like the Cowboys won in the 90's when he was the backup. The offense morphed a bit when Moore took over but it was still the plan of how we won in the 90's. Marinelli's defensive system did not worked because he did not have the talent he had with past teams to fit his scheme. He failed at trying to get that same talent through the draft.

Mobinvans said:

I believe 100% “most”of our problems is we have no system or identity....

What is a Cowboy?....I don’t know, no clue

We draft all over the place and very inconsistent in what sort of team we are trying to build

I honestly have no idea what type of team Jerry is trying to build....is it a good defense like Baltimore always has?...(yea right)...is it a good offense like the Saints always have?...NO CLUE

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1. Their biggest issue is they find a guy they like then absolutely refuse to look at options that might be better talent, or similar but cheaper, etc.
2. Their second is they do not have a GM who has his own vision of building a team. Jerry listens to too many people where he gets conflicting information and has to make his decisions on that. Jerry has no plan on how to build a team. He likes guys who make splash plays while not understanding how their counterparts are critical even though they do not show up on espn highlights.

Dallas has always had a decent offense. The problem has been scoring TD's.

doomsday9084 said:

The Cowboys system is to try to recreate the 90's dynasty. Is that really a secret? Big o line, big names at QB, RB and WR and a 4-3 defense.

The problem is that the early 90's cowboys' system was rather mediocre and was only successful due to overwhelming talent. That's not going to be possible to replicate in the salary cap era.

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talent and good coaching.
Also that team had a great defense, that gets forgotten, I know jerry forgot it.
He thinks a good defense is just having one good war daddy, like hailey.

Mobinvans said:

I believe 100% “most”of our problems is we have no system or identity....

What is a Cowboy?....I don’t know, no clue

We draft all over the place and very inconsistent in what sort of team we are trying to build

I honestly have no idea what type of team Jerry is trying to build....is it a good defense like Baltimore always has?...(yea right)...is it a good offense like the Saints always have?...NO CLUE

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Slow down.

This team very much has an identity.

It's Dak at QB, Zeke at RB and Cooper at #1 WR.

Our OL is our calling card and while it's injured and major pieces have been injured and or forced to retire..

the team will rebuild the OL..heal up Dak and let Zeke get a calm off season without Covid and dog drama.

I read all year about what's wrong with Zeke..he has fallen off a cliff..etc.

Zeke caught Covid early in the year. He recovered but it still effected him. I know people who have caught Covid and survived but they are debilitated..tired fatigued and suffer sore joints that shut them down.

Zeke is a proud dude. He would never admit he was affected by the virus. He was but he shut up about it.

Many many players this year got covid and sat out 10-14 days isolation and when they returned to play.

they were not the same. Not at all. Brees was the only guy who I saw get sick and come back and play well. That was it that I saw.

So our identity is clearly there and nothing has changed.

Defensively...we will change for the better once we draft in April. Alot of changes are coming and guys like Lee and Wolf Hunter maybe gone or used in action with new faces.

Our defensive backfield will be rebuilt with rookies and along with the DL and LBers..it will be a work in progress. We do not have a identity there yet.

Stand by.

We will compete for the NFC East and make our identity known to our immediate teams in our division.

So calm down and let's see what happens.

I remain positive. You do what you want to do.

Enjoy the ride.

Mobinvans said:

I believe 100% “most”of our problems is we have no system or identity....

What is a Cowboy?....I don’t know, no clue

We draft all over the place and very inconsistent in what sort of team we are trying to build

I honestly have no idea what type of team Jerry is trying to build....is it a good defense like Baltimore always has?...(yea right)...is it a good offense like the Saints always have?...NO CLUE

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Cowboys problem is that you have an owner that is the GM that will not let the Head Coach have full control to install and keep a system (see Jimmy Johnson and Bill Parcells).

Haimerej said:

Yes. That's what I advocated for and I caught a lot of blowback. It was obvious that the offense was limited with Dak compared to what they were doing the previous seasons with a healthy Romo. I still think benching Romo blew their last chance to make significant noise in the playoffs.

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Playbook probably more limited with Dak, but the dual threat was giving the defense problems, especially down by the GL. Dak was a better leader overall, the team had rallied around him. His decisions on offense were better than the wing it type of mindset that Romo had. You didnt see game losing picks and in big moments that Romo was famous for.

But for me, it was the bigger picture. Cowboys werent winning the SB that year anyway. With Garrett and the defense, it just wasnt going to happen. Romo's days were numbered and the writing was on the wall. Getting Dak experience and in the playoffs to me was more important going forward then any last hurah for Romo that wasnt going to pan out anyway.

Haimerej said:

Someone posted that a while back and I got a kick out of reading through it. You stuck out because you're belligerent with other posters and call anyone who disagrees, "troll." If I actually tried to find something I'm sure I could.

But back to the topic-

What made you think LVE would be a good MLB in a 3-4? When I heard they wanted to move to a 3-4 I thought, "they don't have a NT or LB to play the middle." Both Jaylon and LVE are suited to play WLB in a 4-3. They can run sideline to sideline. They're not good at reading plays or stacking and shedding. So I'm not sure why you pat yourself on the back wanting to move LVE to that position. He graded out lower than Jaylon this year.

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Didnt think either would be great, just better than Jaylon. Jaylon simply isnt MLBr material. LVE is bigger/taller, that was about it. Better suited. And 3-4 didnt even come into it for me. 3-4 was mentioned as a gimmic to throw off the defense. They werent doing a full switch.

LVE got hurt again. Once that happened, like McCoy, all bets were off.

And FYI...........anyone that hates Dak, a 4th round gem that has become a top 7 QB is either a troll or and Eagles fan. And especially those that use dumb logic to push the agenda.

Stats count, wins dont matter...................now wins matter and stats dont count, yada yada yada.

Mobinvans said:

Yea today...

Few years ago it was running game offense

It changes every year what they are trying to do

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Jerry has always been spending more on offense and working a run/pass balance.

The lack of a run game isn't for lack of spending on Zeke, unlikely they were planning on spending a 1st on WR, and they didn't spend big at TE.

It's been what it's been for a while. Two receiving threats we've spent real resources on. Used to be Witten and a quality WR of TO/Miles/Dez, with some overlap time between WRs. Much like Emmitt and Novacek/Irvin.

But for signing Lamb, we might be going after that 1st round TE. Now, I expect not. I also expect we move on from Gallup after next year. No signing like we did with Terrance.

charron said:

1. Their biggest issue is they find a guy they like then absolutely refuse to look at options that might be better talent, or similar but cheaper, etc.
2. Their second is they do not have a GM who has his own vision of building a team. Jerry listens to too many people where he gets conflicting information and has to make his decisions on that. Jerry has no plan on how to build a team. He likes guys who make splash plays while not understanding how their counterparts are critical even though they do not show up on espn highlights.

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The GM by committee thing has always been how he has operated.

He realizes he can't do this job on his own but will never admit it.

The mish mosh of opinions looks extremely similar to what happens on the field.

What I'd like to know is why all his "trusted advisors" didn't realize we didn't have anything close to the personnel to run Nolans scheme before they hired him.

Mobinvans said:

I believe 100% “most”of our problems is we have no system or identity....

What is a Cowboy?....I don’t know, no clue

We draft all over the place and very inconsistent in what sort of team we are trying to build

I honestly have no idea what type of team Jerry is trying to build....is it a good defense like Baltimore always has?...(yea right)...is it a good offense like the Saints always have?...NO CLUE

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really?

so please please tell me what your credential are? do you run a billion dollar business from a high ranking FO postion?

you an integral part of building a billion dollar pro sports franchise?

any true real life experience besides sitting your *** in front of a keyboard and trying hard to actual say something that has any weight to it besides ramblings from fan who watches sports and believes they have the answer?

anything? bueller, bueller, bueller?

the agnomical egotistical fan base is the issue IMO SAS is correct some of you really give the DC a bad name..

they have had identities, we were a run first tem set up with the PA pass and played bend dont break defense for while...romo, Murray,ware, Witten, and others that led to and they passed that wand an identity to Zeke and Dak and it was working until a new OC was handed the keys to QB needing a new contract amnd somehow decides a vaunted pass attack like he was working with PManning or ARogers that has led to an identity crisis,

the fans called for change and they got it so Identity is TBD when you have new staff in strange covid shorted and odd season failed, well MM has not had chance to get that worked out..

trying to be something you weren't set out to be has caused an identity crisis but will get handled. Being run first PA passing team and trying to pass happy offense and using your RBs lie FBs is the first issue, add injuries' and defense that now was made worse by the change and because with owing TOP anymore the defense was further exposed,

but back to the new staff, they need real chance at creating a new culture and identity and 2020 got derailed and we know the truth..

so sit back relax and lets see what MM and Quinn have in store and please real in KM a bit because he needs to be taught how to integrate run game into his pass schemes because they look disjointed to me one side gets all creative and the other well outdated run formations and the play calls for runs seems liek they are thrown in like garnish on great meal which well the garnish didnt really make sense..

lots of work but as fan its just another offseason waiting to see what they cook up,


but lets not act like the string run game PA offense that protected the defense with TOP an a defense bend dont break well it was at least consistent enough to get us in the playoffs 2014, 2016, 2018 but hence KM came in 2019 and it started changing..now a new staff for 2020 and new staff again for the defense in 2021 is now a wait and see where this takes us Identity. Its all new..

you do realize back to billP and back to JJ days that was our identity strong run game , TOP eating offense that PA killed you when you packed the box and a good defense but always that defense didnt have to do a lot with the run game..OL great RBs and solid defense was the identity..2019-2020 has had so much change that it looks out of sorts but will settle down..

go back to chip kelley in philly it didnt work not sure this is as bad but not utilizing the run game and letting KM just do his thing could be a big issue..time will tell but they better work on better run game in KM offense

All I know is...

Our culture sucks!
We have almost no talent!
Our coaches are the league’s worst!
Our front office is staffed by incompetent morons!
Our owner only cares about money, not winning!
Our fanbase consists of nothing but entitled idiots!
Our ability to compete is doomed to fail until new ownership takes over, and anyone that disagrees should start a new Silver Lining sub-forum!

fivetwos said:

The GM by committee thing has always been how he has operated.

He realizes he can't do this job on his own but will never admit it.

The mish mosh of opinions looks extremely similar to what happens on the field.

What I'd like to know is why all his "trusted advisors" didn't realize we didn't have anything close to the personnel to run Nolans scheme before they hired him.

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not tue we have for the most part with Jimmy, Bill, and garret a strong run game built through the OL , rb, and qb that could control the clock and hit the PA pass when the box got crowded, this allowed TOP to be in our favor which protected the defense....been our identity for more then decade, things started changing in 2019 with Moore and got thrown off track in 2020 when you change staffs in short to no offseason and then follow with more injuries' at key positions that ive ever witnessed..

sure 2019-2020 we are a team with no identity but man some of you forget who we were for the longest time.. its not prefect with out the right pieces but they tried to be that since the jones bought the team.. KM most likely hired to change the identity because that is the nfl now is it not they tried conforming to WO pass game and fast paced game and it didnt work, YET...now we changed the defensive staff again in 1 yr..


it will settle down so the fans need to settle down because an identity will shake out, hard to do with 3rd string offense and bad defense. Seriously calm the flip down people!!

Mobinvans said:

I believe 100% “most”of our problems is we have no system or identity....

What is a Cowboy?....I don’t know, no clue

We draft all over the place and very inconsistent in what sort of team we are trying to build

I honestly have no idea what type of team Jerry is trying to build....is it a good defense like Baltimore always has?...(yea right)...is it a good offense like the Saints always have?...NO CLUE

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It’s obviously a high powered passing offense. So far, because of the lack of attention to the defense, it hasn’t worked.

CowboyRoy said:

Didnt think either would be great, just better than Jaylon. Jaylon simply isnt MLBr material. LVE is bigger/taller, that was about it. Better suited. And 3-4 didnt even come into it for me. 3-4 was mentioned as a gimmic to throw off the defense. They werent doing a full switch.

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It wasn't a gimmick, they ran 3-4 fronts in the first few games.

CowboyRoy said:

LVE got hurt again. Once that happened, like McCoy, all bets were off.

And FYI...........anyone that hates Dak, a 4th round gem that has become a top 7 QB is either a troll or and Eagles fan. And especially those that use dumb logic to push the agenda.

Stats count, wins dont matter...................now wins matter and stats dont count, yada yada yada.

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Not sure what the point is about your last 2 paragraphs. I never hated Dak. Not sure why you're bringing up stats and wins.