Top 4 teams had top 4 Qbs

PJTHEDOORS

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So what your saying is Dak needs Zeke to win. You ever notice how Mahomes and Rodgers when their running game is getting stuffed they just start throwing screens and use that as their running game. And if thats not working they start throwing to the WRs or TEs. They get into the redzone and will lean on their arm against the good defenses. They use their legs to roll out or slide around in the pocket and can deliver a strike while off balance taking a hit. Of course these QBs fail at times but the one thing they can do is take ordinary players and make them better. Their play inspires the defense to take it to another level at times.

How'd Aikman DO without a run game? Or when Emmitt was a no show?
 

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Daks had defenses better than anything Mahomes has ever had. We ranked 5th in 2016, 13th in 2017, 6th in 2018, and 11th in 2019. By comparison, Mahomes had defenses ranked 15th in 2017, 25th in 2018, 7th in 2019, and 11th in 2020.

Any other excuses? Dak now needs a top ranked defense to add to the list of talent required to make him a winner?

How'd Aikman do after 1995 when he no longer played with an elite defense (unlike his SB teams)?
 

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How'd Aikman DO without a run game? Or when Emmitt was a no show?
Rules have changed to help offenses become more dynamic. Can't maul the WRs like in Aikman day. Plus you cant just lay nasty hits on the QB anymore especially after the ball is released. It's the two best QBs playing in the SB this year not the two best running games.
 

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They harnessed Allens talent. They worked on his mechanics and gave him some decent WRs to work with. You may improve it with your mechanics but after so many repetitions the QB is only going to be as accurate as his DNA gifts him. He might become more comfortable under pressure and control his nerves more which may help him. As a QB progresses in his career you will see moments where he displays his accuracy using ball placement and making very difficult higher risk throws under pressure showing what he is capable of.


Yeah imagine that. Some QB’s improve over the years with more training. Just like I said.
 

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I remember these Dak defenders saying Josh Allen was garbage before that Thanksgiving day beat down. I told them before that Allen was the better QB.
I don’t know that Allen is a better QB
But he certainly has a better team around him
 

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How do you afford a good defense and pay a record setting deal to Dak?

You can’t have both.....

And have a top paid RB.

And have a top paid WR.

And have a top paid (and under producing) DE.

The only problem, is Dallas pays each position like they are elite. Tampa, has money in QB and receiver. KC, has money in QB and receiver. Buffalo, will spend money on QB, and they have a paid receiver. Green Bay, has a money in their QB and receiver. Dallas, does not know how to utilize talent like the others. It shows that you can have both, but you must surround them with other good football players.
 

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Soooooo...we might want to get a good QB someday...might be something to that

Paying a middle of line QB like Dak wont let us build a good defense to compensate
So, you have a way to get Rogers. Mahomes or Allen? I think that's the part that's lost on people. It seems some feel it's just a matter of moving on from Dak and we can get that Mohomes/Rodgers/Brady level guy, but the reality is those guys are so rare that 1 of them was drafted 16 years ago, and another was drafted 21 years ago. They are a needle in a haystack, so most teams have to get the next best option they can and try to build a team from there.

As for Dak being "middle of the line", I would disagree, as would a lot of others. No, he isn't one of those top 4, although Allen looked pretty vulnerable Sunday, so we'll see if he really ends up that level in the long run. But I think reasonable people could rank him anywhere from 6-10. Ultimately, how do we know we can't build a defense? Most of that offense was built through the draft, so are we really certain that a good defensive draft or two with a couple of key free agents wouldn't make a difference?
 

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Soooooo...we might want to get a good QB someday...might be something to that

Paying a middle of line QB like Dak wont let us build a good defense to compensate
but your profile picture is a vastly overpaid player at a position we vastly over value
 

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So the argument against Dak is that arguably the greatest QB of all time, the best QB of this generation, one of the other potential best QBs of his generation, and a guy like Allen made it to the championship?

3 out of 4 of these guys were generational players. I don't know where you plan on finding one?

If anything, the fact that Allen was there should prove that we can do it with Dak, as well. Not to mention the fact that there are plenty examples of mediocre even bad QBs making it to and winning the SB.
Rules have changed to help offenses become more dynamic. Can't maul the WRs like in Aikman day. Plus you cant just lay nasty hits on the QB anymore especially after the ball is released. It's the two best QBs playing in the SB this year not the two best running games.
It’s defined a QB league now....I miss the old days
 

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Soooooo...we might want to get a good QB someday...might be something to that

Paying a middle of line QB like Dak wont let us build a good defense to compensate

Allen to me is not a top 4 QB.

But i agree Dak is not the answer at all.
 

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Soooooo...we might want to get a good QB someday...might be something to that

Paying a middle of line QB like Dak wont let us build a good defense to compensate

Ummmm tell me how this team did with building a great defense when Dak and Zeke were on their rookie deals? I'll wait...
 

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Allen to me is not a top 4 QB.

But i agree Dak is not the answer at all.

He is the answer. But when your defense is so bad that we are 0-16 the last 2 years when we don't score 30, yeah, it's all Dak's fault!! :rolleyes::rolleyes:

If you can't win with Dak, there is a bigger issue at play i.e. front office and coaching.
 

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Soooooo...we might want to get a good QB someday...might be something to that

Paying a middle of line QB like Dak wont let us build a good defense to compensate
Arlington Jonesboys fan and official Kool Aid Drinker would post this nonsense. Dak Prescott lead the Cowboys in passing yards for 15 games and finished with the Cowboys best passer rating for the 2020 season.

Look at the top 4 teams and the have the top 4 coaching and coaching staffs...MIGHT BE SOMETHING TO THAT!
 

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He is the answer. But when your defense is so bad that we are 0-16 the last 2 years when we don't score 30, yeah, it's all Dak's fault!! :rolleyes::rolleyes:

If you can't win with Dak, there is a bigger issue at play i.e. front office and coaching.

If Dak would be the answer we would not fall behind 28-0.
Even with a bad defense it does not hinder our QB to score points.

Dak is bad. He cant score points when it counts.

He is what he is. A medicore backup QB. Now even with a injury problem.
 

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If Dak would be the answer we would not fall behind 28-0.
Even with a bad defense it does not hinder our QB to score points.
Dak is bad. He cant score points when it counts.
He is what he is. A medicore backup QB. Now even with a injury problem.

I agree Dak is not elite , but won’t downgrade to mediocre , since after his injury our offensive production dropped sharply.

Regarding scoring points when it counts , he did it in the 1st 2 years , when the OL was ok and defense was average. Last 2 years defense is laughable and OL is not consistent ( this year we had so many problems in OL beacuse of the double whammy at tackle )

so moral of the story , even Tom Brady cant succeed without good supporting cast and good defenses to get the ball back when it counts.

At the same time , my wish list - Dak if he can improve his progressions faster , improve his throwing mechanics and can run without fear of contract hanging over his head will help tremendously.

just my opinion,
 

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dak's weakness then and now:
Inconsistency mars almost every aspect of his game, especially mechanically
Rocks back with a slight hitch in his delivery when putting zip on the ball
Can wind up with longer release when going down the field
The tendency to release the ball a tad early, resulting in a sailing or fluttering pass
Needs to vary the pace of the ball to match the situation/route (no bullets on screens)
Location and accuracy are generally poor, makes receivers adjust to off-target balls, and minimizes yards after the catch
Makes very poor decisions at times, forces passes into coverage
Footwork can get sloppy, will fall off his base throwing to his left, loses accuracy/velocity
Doesn’t possess the heralded “power arm” that he was once rumored to have
Deep ball accuracy is lacking, touch passing needs a compass
Does not throw with anticipation, poor timing leads to late throws to all areas of the field
Can be confused and fooled by more intricate coverage schemes (ex. Alabama’s pattern reading)
Lacks accuracy and velocity when throwing on the move
Not a great athlete, heavy-footed and lacking lateral quickness and explosiveness as a runner

COMPARES TO: Tim Tebow, ex-Broncos, Jets, Patriots - It is the natural comparison, beyond just the connection to Mississippi State head coach Dan Mullen, who was Florida's offensive coordinator when Tebow was in Gainesville. Although Prescott has a slightly better arm and more consistent mechanics, he and Tebow grade similar in several categories, including composure, mobility, power, and leadership.

Prescott stares down pressure in the pocket. This leads to a hesitation in his reads down the field, and in the NFL, that's a sack. That's why he late on his throw which results in high, low, and behind throws.

That looks like 40 million reasons to sign him. Let's get it done.
 

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Ummmm tell me how this team did with building a great defense when Dak and Zeke were on their rookie deals? I'll wait...

He had a good defense in 17 and 18 but it all fell apart.

Aikman had elite everything when he won though I agree
 

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How do you afford a good defense and pay a record setting deal to Dak?

You can’t have both.....

And have a top paid RB.

And have a top paid WR.

And have a top paid (and under producing) DE.

These are Dak fault? I rather have a top paid QB then zeke and lawrence. Coop can stay. Him and Dak click. I rather have Dak then searching for a QB again. Do y'all remember the days of Quincy Carter, Vinny, Drew Bledsoe and etc before we lucked into Romo and super lucked into Dak?
We lose our Starting QB in Romo and Dak comes in and performs like no one knew he could.
Heck I've heard people mentioned trading for Deshaun Watson who is making what Dak wants lol.
People forget Dak would of signed for 35million Jerry and Company dropped the ball. You made Dak bet on himself and every year he gets better.
You over pay for a DE and over pay for a RB (who we all said time and time again you shouldn't draft a RB top 10 and you shouldn't give them big money because you can find RB's everywhere).

Dak was having one of his best seasons before he got hurt. I wish Dak would slide more. I don't like seeing QB's trying to dish out stiff arms. But Dak was the team.
We had no defense, no run game and special teams were terrible. Lets not forget.
 

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we do have a good QB.
we might wanna pay him.

No defense .... How many years do we have keep singing that same ole song,.. ??

Threads like can keep harping on QBs ..but the teams defense in playoff remain the biggest key that makes them advance into playoffs.

Good ole boy Brady threw 3 INTs, but yet Bucs own Defense continues to have big plays and shutdown stretches that have turned the momentum in every playoff game they've had. :rolleyes:
 
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