Dynasties Start with QB Competition, Not QB Friendliness

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Quoted right from the article:
"Bledsoe, 29, has been voted to the Pro Bowl three times and owns every Patriots passing record worth having. But when the team struggled last season, there was speculation that Kraft and Belichick were not sold on Bledsoe as their quarterback, that they were looking to trade him so they could shore up several other positions and remake the team with a younger, more mobile quarterback.

"It has never once been in my mind," Kraft said. "Sometimes, our friends in the media like to stir the pot. To help circulation, I guess."


Now what was Kraft going to say after offering the huge contract; we weren't really sure but we finally decided to give you all this money. Right!

And furthermore, the article talks about the Patriots ability to get out of the contract early. But you are free to believe what you want.

The facts are Bledsoe signed a 10 year record breaking deal in March 2001. No one anticipated that he would get injured and Tom Brady would take over and lead the team to a Super Bowl title. That changed everything. New England ended up trading Bledsoe to Buffalo the following year for a first round pick.
 

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The facts are Bledsoe signed a 10 year record breaking deal in March 2001.

Since we are talking facts and want full disclosure. The record breaking 10 year - $103 million dollar contract had the following team option:
From the article you presented.
"According to the Patriots, the only part of the contract that is guaranteed is a four-year portion worth no less than $14 million and possibly a little more than $30 million. Bledsoe will be 32 when the team must decide to pick up additional years."

Obviously contract dollars then are different than today but it wasn't as big a commitment for the team as it appears at face value.
 

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Since we are talking facts and want full disclosure. The record breaking 10 year - $103 million dollar contract had the following team option:
From the article you presented.
"According to the Patriots, the only part of the contract that is guaranteed is a four-year portion worth no less than $14 million and possibly a little more than $30 million. Bledsoe will be 32 when the team must decide to pick up additional years."

Obviously contract dollars then are different than today but it wasn't as big a commitment for the team as it appears at face value.

It’s clear by locking him up for 10 years they had no intention of moving on from him anytime soon. Most long-term deals have an out for the team at some point. What happened after week two of the 2001 season no one could’ve ever predicted.
 
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It’s clear by locking him up for 10 years they had no intention of moving on from him anytime soon. What happened after week two of the 2001 season no one could’ve ever predicted.
Wow!!!!!
Locking him in for 10 years would be a better term. The team had an out after 4. If I remember right, the terms prevented this contract from destroying the Patriots going forward after the unfortunate injury. But they may have passed that on to the Bills in the trade.
 

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Wow!!!!!
Locking him in for 10 years would be a better term. The team had an out after 4. If I remember right, the terms prevented this contract from destroying the Patriots going forward after the unfortunate injury. But they may have passed that on to the Bills in the trade.

The injury to Bledsoe turned out to be a huge blessing in disguise. Belichick was going nowhere with him at QB. New England was 5-11 under Bledsoe the previous season and they started off 0-2 in 2001. There was some rumblings about Belichick and his job security. Had Bledsoe not gotten injured Bill Belichick may have ended up getting fired and New England would’ve never known what they had in Brady.
 

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The injury to Bledsoe turned out to be a huge blessing in disguise. Belichick was going nowhere with him at QB. New England was 5-11 under Bledsoe the previous season and they started off 0-2 in 2001. There was some rumblings about Belichick and his job security. Had Bledsoe not gotten injured Bill Belichick may have ended up getting fired and New England would’ve never known what they had in Brady.
My unfortunate comment was for Bledsoe lol. And because it could have killed him. Yeah, it was a huge event in changing the direction the Patriots were headed and moving them towards what they became. There was no guarantee with Brady.

I live in New England and therefore, listen to a whole lot of Boston Sports radio. When Brady got hurt in the 1st game in 2008 and Cassell took over, a lot of people around here including some sports radio people wanted the Pats to move on from Brady and switch to Cassell the next year. But Cassell's season was a bit of a "mirage". The Pats schedule was very easy that year. They only played like 3 teams with a record better than .500
I remember calling in and telling them they were crazy and explaining my reasoning. They laughed then Cassell got traded to the Chiefs and he may have had one good season after that.

BTW, I was at the game when Brady got hurt. Never heard a packed stadium that quiet. Pin drop quiet!
 

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If Dak signs a contract, we would be idiots to use #10 on another QB. Teams that draft QBs regularly do so in other rounds and try to develop them.
 

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Dak was drafted as an afterthought and a favor on a comp pick for the late Wade Wilson. He took the reigns and took off.
 

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your right , most teams dont have qb competition, but they should. I think however jerry is really bad about this is our guy, and not play anyone else if
the guy can play hurt.
This goes way back to 70's 80's where there was some qb competition and it did not work out well , at least for the owners.
How can they though? They can't invest a lot of time, money and draft capital in one QB, then use a 1st round pick on another QB, or trade a top pick and pay a big salary to a second QB. The exception would be if the existing QB is nearing the end of his career and a team wants to get a replacement ready, but for a younger QB it's not easy to do that, especially with other needs to address and other people to pay.
 

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My unfortunate comment was for Bledsoe lol. And because it could have killed him.

Yeah, it was certainly unfortunate for Drew Bledsoe but at least he didn’t lose his job to a one year flash in the pan. If you’re going to lose your job lose it to the goat!
 

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Watching Green Bay and Tampa Bay. Notably both quarterbacks (Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady) were drafted by teams with successful quarterbacks: Brett Favre and Drew Bledsoe.

The list below demonstrates, to me, that Romo-Friendliness and Dak-Friendliness isn't the way to go. I'm OK with keeping Dak. But I also want to use the top 10 pick on a qb for competition. And rather than look at it as an insult to him, it actually will bring him to the next level, if he has that next level in him.

Observe:

1960s Green Bay Packers
When Bart Starr was drafted by the Packers, Tobin Rote was a Pro Bowl starter. Babe Parelli, a #4 overall draft pick, was on the bench. In the AFL after leaving the Packers, Rote went on to an MVP season and Parelli became an AFL All-Star multiple times. If Tobin Rote were the Cowboys QB today, Jerry would throw money at him.

1970s Steelers and Cowboys
When the Cowboys drafted Roger Staubach, they had Don Meredith and a year later drafted Craig Morton in the first round. Meredith retired when Roger returned from the Navy. Obviously Morton was no slouch. Two SB appearances, and outstanding stats in his two undisputed years as Cowboys starter. Staubach won his first Super Bowl from off the bench, then went back to the bench to start the next year. But Roger won out.

In 1969, the Steelers chose QB Terry Hanratty with the 30th overall pick (2nd round, in the 1st round now). So naturally, they did what Jerry would do: put all of their resources into Hanratty because their credibility was tied up in him. No, of course not. They used the 1970 No. 1 pick overall on Terry Bradshaw. And late round pick Joe Gilliam was the starter at the beginning of their first SB year. They churned.

1980s 49ers
Less of a case here. But Joe Montana did beat out journeyman Steve DeBerg, who wasn't bad and led the Chiefs to playoff berths later in his career. Of course, the Commanders rotated quarterbacks. But I wouldn't recommend that strategy.

1990s Cowboys
Troy Aikman. Steve Walsh.
And obviously Steve Young joined the Niners during the Montana years.

2000s/2010s Patriots
Drew Bledsoe went to the Pro Bowl in 1994, 1996, 1997. The Patriots drafted Tom Brady in 1998. Like Staubach, Brady won a Super Bowl and went back to the bench for a short time, IIRC.

Obviously QB competition didn't destroy these guy's tender egos. It brought the best out of them.

You can't compare how team were run pre-free agency to the modern era. Back in the day, you needed to make sure you had quality back-up QBs b/c there was a great chance your starter was going down and you couldn't just go out and sign a free agent. There is plenty of talent floating around the NFL now every off season. Its about where you spend your cap dollars.
 
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Dak was drafted as an afterthought and a favor on a comp pick for the late Wade Wilson. He took the reigns and took off.
Where did the idea of it being a favor to Wilson come from? It was well known the Cowboys were interested in drafting a QB that year. They tried to trade up to get Lynch and couldn't make a deal, and there were indications they considered Cook earlier in the 4th round before Dak.

That said, of course the Cowboys didn't expect Dak to compete with Romo. He was a 4th round pick after all. But they didn't draft him without the hope he could develop and in a few years be able to play in the NFL.
 

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however i disagree on using high draft picks on them when you have many other needs and have starter..so maybe a 2nd or 3rd rounder similar to what NE did the last 3-4 years when they felt TB was close to done..you then have backup capable to star or use as trade bait as NE did.

no way im using #10 on QB this season when defense has so many holes their new name is not hotboyz its swiss cheese crew LOL

Thank you for the support. I look at using the top 10 pick as a quarterback this way: We have the second largest existing length of time since we have last used a first round pick on a quarterback. It's been 30 years! For the most important position, and the one where having a first-rounder matters most. We have a pretty high first round pick. We have a bunch of extra draft choices this year. There's a flock of quarterbacks possibly going in the top 10. What would be a better time or opportunity?
 

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Another thought: People have a negative view of quarterback competitions/controversies because they remember when the times it was two bad quarterbacks and you put the backup in and he's no better than the starter. But truthfully, there are a lot of examples of good ones. The Rams of the early Fifties won a championship with Bob Waterfield and Norm Van Brocklin.
 

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Thank you for the support. I look at using the top 10 pick as a quarterback this way: We have the second largest existing length of time since we have last used a first round pick on a quarterback. It's been 30 years! For the most important position, and the one where having a first-rounder matters most. We have a pretty high first round pick. We have a bunch of extra draft choices this year. There's a flock of quarterbacks possibly going in the top 10. What would be a better time or opportunity?
sorry doesnt matter where you get your QB if they turn out great ie Wilson , Dak, Romo Tom Brady etc so many top 5 NFL QBs are average or bust stretch that to 10 find more

you do realize romo and Dak were top 10 1st round talent stolen in the draft by getting them much later? that 15years of very good franchise qb play..

so while i understand your thought process, its not a grantee to get a top QB with top resources. We need defense defense and more defense..

Now if guy like Trask or similar is there in the 2nd round -4th round or guy you believe is the next dak and daks still holding us hostages', grab him lie NE has..no ned to use that at 10..at worse you have Daks Backup and future replacement..
 

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Another thought: People have a negative view of quarterback competitions/controversies because they remember when the times it was two bad quarterbacks and you put the backup in and he's no better than the starter. But truthfully, there are a lot of examples of good ones. The Rams of the early Fifties won a championship with Bob Waterfield and Norm Van Brocklin.
Think about the words "of the early 50's … That's almost 70 years ago. Admittedly there have been other examples, but most of those are pretty deep in the past as well.

That said, the idea of competition at QB isn't, in and of itself, a bad one. And if a team isn't comfortable with it's existing QB. sure it makes sense.

But it just isn't very realistic in the present when a team already feels good about the existing starter. The salary cap, and the price tag of a quality enough QB to compete, is too great to have 2 of those guys on the roster. Even if one were a high draft pick, and on a rookie salary, that's a high draft pick that would be used on a position the team already feels good about rather than on positions where the team has serious shortfalls.

Besides that, I suspect most coaches subscribe to the old saying that if you have 2 QB's you really don't have one. Coaches prefer to settle on one guy rather than have a divided team with some supporting one guy and some supporting another.
 

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Who was the QB brought in to compete with Patrick Mahomes? He was drafted with the intent of becoming the franchise QB for the Chiefs. I think the same could be said for the Bills and Josh Allen.

Tom Brady was signed with the intent of being the guy for the Bucs. They didn't bring in a few QBs to compete for the position.

Aaron Rodgers is the Packers QB. They drafted a guy to be his eventual replacement, but definitely not his competition this season.
 
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