News: Fish: Dak & Deshaun - A Cowboys lesson to be learned

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Watson has major problems, thinks that someone who owns a Billion dollar business has to listen to his viewpoint, funny stuff! Watson cannot even shine Daks shoes, Go get your shine box Deshawn...

What Deshawn cant understand is why after they paid him $39m per the ownership didnt have enough money to pay for a team.....he's not one for looking at history. Only one team in the last 20 years have won the SB with a QB paid in the top 3 that year. Teams win when they dont have to overpay the QB.
 

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Yup, pretty much. Jerry's not even the worst NFL owner in Texas. That title belongs to Houston. However, Jerry does have us in a big pickle. Had he addressed and properly drafted the defencive players that we needed like TJ Watt and Thornhill, it would've been a nobrainer to sign Dak. Now, it's even harder given our issues on defence. If we are going to sign Dak, we are going to need to get on with it and sort it out sooner than later before the other QBs set to get extensions get theirs. IF we wait too long, it's only going to get more expensive. The plus side of this is that we'd be able to draft all defence this draft which our defence desperately needs. The downside is that there may be a bit less cap space to go around (which is fine IMO given that the draft is the best way to fix a team). IF we don't resign Dak, then sure, we get more cap space to use. However, it means we must draft a QB sooner than we probably would like to which removes critical resources that need to be used on defence. Also comes the major risk that the QB may be no where near the leader that Dak is nor in any way an improvement over Dak at all. Given Jerry's QB preferences such as Lynch, Manziel, and Cook, I'd say that's a larger concern than not. Thus meaning we have to use future resources on yet another QB which may force us to remove resources from an area that we may need desperately then.

Could've, should've, would've.

TJ Watt was missed by a whole load of teams drafting LB's and DE's who passed on Watt in favor of lesser players and 3 teams drafted other Safeties (over Thornhill).

The draft after the elite top players is a crap shoot.
 

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Could've, should've, would've.

TJ Watt was missed by a whole load of teams drafting LB's and DE's who passed on Watt in favor of lesser players and 3 teams drafted other Safeties (over Thornhill).

The draft after the elite top players is a crap shoot.

For sure it is, but we had the opportunity to have those two. We passed it up. We are having problems on defence, and the Cowboys have to try to fix it but while trying to figure out the QB situation.
 

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Watson has major problems, thinks that someone who owns a Billion dollar business has to listen to his viewpoint, funny stuff! Watson cannot even shine Daks shoes, Go get your shine box Deshawn...

It's not just Watson.....JJ Watts wants out too. Look at what happened with Hopkins but honestly, I'm not sure this isn't more about Watson NOT interested in rebuilding than trusting McNair.
 

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Watson is not all that anyway. So he won a National championship big freaking deal, a sorry Cam Newton won one too. They are not real QBs in the NFL, they are great athletes playing the QB position.
Yeah there were idiotic statements like these made about Warren Moon and several others throughout the years. This narrative is just weak on all levels quite frankly it's a bit dated don't you think. There is no justification you have to say Watson is not a QB especially with the level he's played at consistently dating back to his days in high school. He's won and won big at ever single level he's played at and is still young in this NFL. It appears you have a very different agenda when you formulate such a backwards statement but feel free to continue on your misguided path there bro.
 

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no lesson learned the Texans owner needs to know this would set a precedent all that bonus and guaranteed money you just handed this crybaby, you cant eat that and allow him to walk no matter the deal you can get..thats the lesson show the players you wont stand foir it..period he has contract..

this has zero to do with dak its message to dak dont sign a deal if you wont be happy 12months later..its lesson to players not to Dallas not to other teams..


F all that noise, owner whoukls just say NO..no way im eating that, make him pay back the bonus if he wants out , i mean why should the owner eat that money because players unhappy, he signed the deal 12months ago or less..

OR,


These NFL kids wouldn't like it if i was the owner, sports period need owners with backbone..

I would tell these kids to honor their phreaking contracts or sit an get massive fines ie 100k per any team mandatory function missed, every meeting, practice, requested press conference, or even a uniform fitting..

im sick of looking around sports and seeing the blackmailing going on and players with huge deals and promises made getting traded to wherever they want..

no way F all that noise..you signed a 37mil+ del you play or sit and lose money..a chit ton of money and no taking it back like jones has done with fines , i would have fined EE 1mil for his latest holdout and no refunds once he was signed or came back..

weak azz owners are ruining sports..

someone be the first to say NO, show these kids dont sign long term let the process work and get out..once the FT you demand an out not after you get handed 40plus mil and last less then a fiscal year..no fn way ..

do like Dak or cousins make them keep you year to year and demand an out without new deal..punks get their ay far too often..
Your idea of NFL Ownership and player relationship is in the process of getting CANCELLED!!

:lmao:
 

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Normally I'm with you. Jerry should have held strong with Zeke. But mcnair had no reason to tell watson he'd include him and then didn't. If he had told watson from the beginning this was his decision, I'm on board. But once you tell him you'll get his input and then you hire someone without even asking him, that's on you imo.
sorry man this is a bad president to set and after you give put a deal liek that and layer signs , you are on the hook for all his bonus money ie in this case rumors say 40-60mil..so now you trade the guy because he strongarms you? no i say "just say NO!" stop all the super team bs in the NBa and players forcing trades in the NFL..its horrible contract are contracts and this has barely had the ink dry

if im the owner i say play of be fined heavily and sit your baby azz down!! Its tp[ here, Now! ;>)
 

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I half expected Fish to swig a Natty Light out of a paper bag.

I dint agree with him much but I do agree that for all the hand wringing the Cowboys gave him legit offers that Daks agent turned down.
Dallas refused to offer 4 years when every other QB's deal was for 4 years.
Dallas controlled whether or not they resigned Dak early and passed.

Now they want to rely on 'well we do 5 year deals' but it's not them that sets the bar, it is the league. And the league does 4 year deals for QBs.
And they had the most the lose and have lost it thus far.

So no it wasn't a reasonable offer.
 

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sorry man this is a bad president to set and after you give put a deal liek that and layer signs , you are on the hook for all his bonus money ie in this case rumors say 40-60mil..so now you trade the guy because he strongarms you? no i say "just say NO!" stop all the super team bs in the NBa and players forcing trades in the NFL..its horrible contract are contracts and this has barely had the ink dry

if im the owner i say play of be fined heavily and sit your baby azz down!! Its tp[ here, Now! ;>)
The Texans have a lot of money at stake and you never let your money get mad.
Sitting Deshaun with no return teaches what lesson exactly???
That you will pay a guy massive money to do nothing???
That's goofy.

HOU has to get the best possible offer for Watson and move him along. THEN they can release the Krakan and cal him spoiled and entitled after the fact.
 

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Dallas refused to offer 4 years when every other QB's deal was for 4 years.
Dallas controlled whether or not they resigned Dak early and passed.

Now they want to rely on 'well we do 5 year deals' but it's not them that sets the bar, it is the league. And the league does 4 year deals for QBs.
And they had the most the lose and have lost it thus far.

So no it wasn't a reasonable offer.

Disagree! No one sets the bar for what you are allowed to offer. That is ridiculous to say. Mahomes signed a 10 yr deal. It’s all about what was guaranteed. He was guaranteed something like $110 mil would be at 35 mil a yr. That is a legit offer that his agent balked at. I want Dak back and like him. This isn’t anti-Dak. But people need to stop acting like he got screwed in the process.
 

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Your idea of NFL Ownership and player relationship is in the process of getting CANCELLED!!

:lmao:
sorry contracts are contracts and that a ton of bonus money he stole now wants out. Owners have to make stand..that it ..players while are the talent are not the money men they arent the producers and directors, they need the NFL as much as the NFL needs them and contracts have to be honored especially one that was signed 12months prior..hers option 2 DW pay back all the bonus money as part fo the trade, that mean you pay the Texans 60mil over 3 years out of your own pocket then ill conder tradign you..meh..try me!!

reality's

a legal binding document and your signature says s t *** and play..all players cant be in perfect situations.. ride it out or dont sign the new deal b go into FA the way you also agreed to an NFL Players when you entered and also signed that doc and your players union agreed too..

get over it stop crying and acting like you are in colleges and want to transfer,,,uh uh!!no phreaking way..

he had options go the way dak and cousins did and just ride ot the system until you can leave, he took the money signed the deal..too late!
 

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The Texans have a lot of money at stake and you never let your money get mad.
Sitting Deshaun with no return teaches what lesson exactly???
That you will pay a guy massive money to do nothing???
That's goofy.

HOU has to get the best possible offer for Watson and move him along. THEN they can release the Krakan and cal him spoiled and entitled after the fact.


nah not the way i see it read my other responses. Dont have time to be redundant.
 

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The lesson is don't be Houston. Don't pay Dak 40 million/year like Houston did Watson and end up with nothing left to build the rest of the team.

My ceiling on Dak is 5 years @30 mil/year. Otherwise non-exclusive tag and see what other teams will offer.

To those that say no one will offer 2 1st for him, well then they won't offer him a contract either, knowing if he signs and we don't counter, they have to give us 2 1st. This could humble Dak into a 30 mil/year range. Also, I believe we could negotiate less than 2 1st if we choose on the non exclusive. Can anyone confirm that?
 

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So everyone said that the Cowboys should have looked at what was going on in the league with RB's and especially Gurley before they signed Dak.

Well the same holds true then for QB's -

How many teams are having buyers remorse right now for paying QB's so much : Goff, Wentz, Deshawn - all recent contracts that are not quite working out for their team for one reason or another.....
 

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People wanna talk about our ownership all the time. The jones boys make mistakes but there are numerous worse decision makers in the league.

There actually isn't. When you're as bad as they are you get fired. You don't still have your job a quarter of a century later.

No team in the sports world has a worse front office situation than the Dallas Cowboys.
 

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So everyone said that the Cowboys should have looked at what was going on in the league with RB's and especially Gurley before they signed Dak.

Well the same holds true then for QB's -

How many teams are having buyers remorse right now for paying QB's so much : Goff, Wentz, Deshawn - all recent contracts that are not quite working out for their team for one reason or another.....
HOU has zero remorse.
They are staring at trading Watson and looking like clowns yes but because they early extended him they get 3 1st round picks. minimum in trade.

Had they not extended him they'd be in a world a hurt because he would have refused all extension offers far reducing his trade value to HOU.

Goff and Wentz both fell short of expectation and the teams are mad they paid them. But you draft a Qb at 1 and 2 and they fail the issue and lesson learned is far larger than should you early extend.


As to looking at's... KC is pretty much over the moon about extending Pat.
BAL has already said they plan to extend Lamar.
BUFF wants to extend Josh Allen.
The only guy in a holding pattern may be Baker Mayfield whose play didn't hit league average starter level until the mid point of this year.
 

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Disagree! No one sets the bar for what you are allowed to offer. That is ridiculous to say. Mahomes signed a 10 yr deal. It’s all about what was guaranteed. He was guaranteed something like $110 mil would be at 35 mil a yr. That is a legit offer that his agent balked at. I want Dak back and like him. This isn’t anti-Dak. But people need to stop acting like he got screwed in the process.
I'd simply quote Bob Sturm here:

And that’s frankly stupid, because there has not been a single quarterback that I can find since 2018 – which was before Prescott was eligible to sign an extension – that has signed a five-year deal. In all of 2019 and all of 2020 and now in all of 2021, there’s not a single QB1 that has signed a five-year deal. They’ve all been four and they’ve all been four for the same reason (aside from Mahomes, who signed a unique 10-year deal). So if you want to incentivize Dak Prescott to sign for that fifth year, then you’re going to have to make it worth his while, because just giving him typical, normal numbers and then saying, “Hey, we want you to sign for a year longer than everybody else. Why? Because we said so,” that’s not going to cut it. That’s why I think they have themselves solely to blame. I do sense that every time I bring this up, that people quickly want to say, “What about Dak’s camp? Why don’t they share in some of the blame?” And it’s a weird dynamic, I’ll admit, because the Cowboys seem to be the ones who are always leaking information. And to the best of my knowledge, Todd France and Dak Prescott have remained almost completely silent through all of this. So we’re at the mercy of the Cowboys’ loose lips setting the narrative for how this has all played out.
 

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sorry man this is a bad president to set and after you give put a deal liek that and layer signs , you are on the hook for all his bonus money ie in this case rumors say 40-60mil..so now you trade the guy because he strongarms you? no i say "just say NO!" stop all the super team bs in the NBa and players forcing trades in the NFL..its horrible contract are contracts and this has barely had the ink dry

if im the owner i say play of be fined heavily and sit your baby azz down!! Its tp[ here, Now! ;>)

if you were the owner, you wouldn't have offered to let him be involved and get his input on the GM and HC in the first place. That's where mcnair messed up. don't offer something and then not follow through.
 

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Same can be said for the dallas since Jerry took over. Im dead serious, take the fan goggles off and tell me what keeps us here brother?
i think the difference is that the players love jerry. Mcnair is having his most important players past and present speaking out against him openly. maybe i'm wrong or just old but i don't remember many key players speaking out against jerry.
There actually isn't. When you're as bad as they are you get fired. You don't still have your job a quarter of a century later.

No team in the sports world has a worse front office situation than the Dallas Cowboys.
wft. not even a discussion. sexual harassments allegations rampant throughout management, threats to fans who wanted a new coach and held signs or chanted during games, sue old broke fans for ticket money, going from having a 15y waiting list for tickets to blocking off seats just so you won't be blacked out on tv. no one in their right mind would choose snyder over the jones family.
 
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