Video: Fish on Tyron’s Future

stilltheguru · Jan 31, 2021

Rayman70 said:
if Pitts is there at 10, and there board says hes rated there, they have to either find a trade partner or they gotta draft him. The kid is just too dynamic.

If they have say, JOK right after him they shouldnt draft pitts? This bpa stuff has gotten too out of hand. Pitts rsnked 10, JOK 11 and we should take Pitts? :facepalm:

Shake_Tiller · Jan 31, 2021

ABQCOWBOY said:
He's on the older side Shake. To me, it's not about actual years here, it's about games played. Smith has been starting for us since he was like 20/21. Since 2011, Tyron has been starting for us. He's started 133 games for us in the NFL. Your body has just so many starts in it. I believe that and for everybody it's different but once you hit the limit, age doesn't matter. You are done IMO.

It's a fair point. I've wondered whether being so young when he entered the league might have caused some issues. You can be fully grown without being fully grown, if you know what I mean.

My point is that should the neck issue be solved he might be able to play at a high level for a while longer. And while I agree you don't want to hold on to a player too long, you also don't want to jump the gun. That's the challenge.

Assuming they think he's healthy, I'd like to spend a mid-round pick on a developmental tackle -- maybe someone like the long, athletic kid from Cincinnati or the Oklahoma kid. Guys who have the tools but aren't ready day 1. If Tyron surprises us and has a healthy few years, you'll still be happy to have the depth.

But if you draft an OL at 10, you are moving on from someone. You don't draft a player there to ride the bench.

And I'm not opposed to a tackle at 10 under 2 scenarios: 1) clearly the best player available or 2) they know something about Tyron or Collins we don't know.

stilltheguru · Jan 31, 2021

stilltheguru said:
If they have say, JOK right after him they shouldnt draft pitts? This bpa stuff has gotten too out of hand. Pitts rsnked 10, JOK 11 and we should take Pitts?

SHOULD draft Pitts @Rayman70

ABQCOWBOY · Jan 31, 2021

Shake_Tiller said:
It's a fair point. I've wondered whether being so young when he entered the league might have caused some issues. You can be fully grown without being fully grown, if you know what I mean.

My point is that should the neck issue be solved he might be able to play at a high level for a while longer. And while I agree you don't want to hold on to a player too long, you also don't want to jump the gun. That's the challenge.

Assuming they think he's healthy, I'd like to spend a mid-round pick on a developmental tackle -- maybe someone like the long, athletic kid from Cincinnati or the Oklahoma kid. Guys who have the tools but aren't ready day 1. If Tyron surprises us and has a healthy few years, you'll still be happy to have the depth.

But if you draft an OL at 10, you are moving on from someone. You don't draft a player there to ride the bench.

And I'm not opposed to a tackle at 10 under 2 scenarios: 1) clearly the best player available or 2) they know something about Tyron or Collins we don't know.

I don't believe that a LT, if drafted, will be riding the bench long in Dallas. I think that guy probably gets like 6 or 8 starts in his first season, to be honest. But unless you are trading down, I don't know what other position you take that is worth a top 10 value.

CWR · Jan 31, 2021

Rayman70 said:
its pure delusional to say we are gonna ride Tyron yet another season..lol..if we do that Dak will get hurt again. TIME for an upgrade!!! STOP sticking with injured players too long. KNOW WHEN TO SAY WHEN! Why has this org. always been this dang stubborn? MOVE ON FROM TYRON.

So you're willing to use what pick on a LT? This team is starved for defense. I think the offense can still purr with a combo of Tyron for 10 games and a back up for 6, for example. The defense however is a struggle and we NEED to go heavy this offseason and draft. Maybe we get a tackle who drops to the 4th or 5th, and take a swing. In theory I'd rather that than going Tackle early in the draft. Although if we got a stud LT early I wouldn't be upset. Im just more concerned about the defense than the oline.

Shake_Tiller · Jan 31, 2021

stilltheguru said:
SHOULD draft Pitts @Rayman70

NFL teams don't stack their draft boards the way we commonly think. They have both a horizontal and a vertical board. And they stack only the players they will consider in the draft.

So they don't typically just go down and say "this guy is 10 and the other 11" and automatically pick based on our idea of BPA. They pick within the tiers they have established.

You are correct. Even under a BPA scenario, they wouldn't typically take the player of lesser need unless he was on a different tier. Being 11 versus 10 wouldn't matter.

This is my long-winded way of saying you made a good point!

Shake_Tiller · Jan 31, 2021

ABQCOWBOY said:
I don't believe that a LT, if drafted, will be riding the bench long in Dallas. I think that guy probably gets like 6 or 8 starts in his first season, to be honest. But unless you are trading down, I don't know what other position you take that is worth a top 10 value.

I fear you are correct. I hope you aren't. And I imagine you do as well.

I think the players who might reasonably be available and who are worthy at 10 are probably Slater, Farley and the Notre Dame LB. Surtain is close. So is Horn. Parsons might be as well, if he runs like a scalded dog and is clean enough with his character. I also think Darrisaw is close.

But a long way to go before the draft.

Corso · Jan 31, 2021

Wasn't Tyron restructured just this past offseason?
Maybe it was during the season.

Has anybody thought about that?

If it happened. I think it did.

Shake_Tiller · Jan 31, 2021

Corso said:
Wasn't Tyron restructured just this past offseason?
Maybe it was during the season.

Has anybody thought about that?

If it happened. I think it did.

Yes, I think so. They structured his contract so that they could easily restructure at almost any time, and often have. It is a very team-friendly deal.

They can get cap savings by designating him a post-June 1 cut, but there would be dead money. And those kinds of moves are a bit more complicated than some think.

I'm still not sure why so many folks are dying to get rid of him. But I also don't understand why so many want to get rid of Dak.

I think the point of this thing is to have good players.

TheMarathonContinues · Jan 31, 2021

aikemirv said:
From a protection standpoint as long as Lael or Tyron are back we should be fine. Run blocking is poor but we are not a running team anymore. I would be ok with Knight substituting in rather than spending picks one the OL

That’s another thing. I thought that’s what this year was about with the offensive line? Getting them reps to build depth? I’ve seen nothing to suggest he couldn’t at least be a swing tackle. Knight has some potential.

Shake_Tiller · Jan 31, 2021

rocyaice said:
That’s another thing. I thought that’s what this year was about with the offensive line? Getting them reps to build depth? I’ve seen nothing to suggest he couldn’t at least be a swing tackle. Knight has some potential.

I'm intrigued by Steele. Think he might have something with a year or two of development. He wasn't ready to play this year, but he could be interesting when he gets stronger and a little more polished.

TheMarathonContinues · Jan 31, 2021

Shake_Tiller said:
I'm intrigued by Steele. Think he might have something with a year or two of development. He wasn't ready to play this year, but he could be interesting when he gets stronger and a little more polished.

He has to. They threw him out there first week of the season. I haven’t written him off either.

MCMetal69 · Jan 31, 2021

30 is "old" for a tackle ? Jason Peters and Andrew Whitworth are both 39 and Trent Williams is 32..............

calico · Jan 31, 2021

I wanted to trade him a few seasons ago when teams like Seattle and Houston were desperate and tossing around first rounders. The moment his back got worse it was time to cut bait.
Missed opportunity.

AbeBeta · Jan 31, 2021

if anything this time off is going to put Tyron in a good spot. He's not old and he plays a position where guys can go a long while. He came into the league at 20 and only just turned 30 last month.

I do think that we've got some nice backups behind him - Knight and Earving both showed they could play out there adequately as fill-ins.

Folks keep projecting Tackles to us at 10 but unless it is Sewell you say no and trade back if your guy isn't on the board. (and if it is Sewell, maybe you steal someone's lunch money)

AbeBeta · Jan 31, 2021

MCMetal69 said:
30 is "old" for a tackle ? Jason Peters and Andrew Whitworth are both 39 and Trent Williams is 32..............

And importantly, Jones and Tyron have a very close relationship. He basically signed a lifetime contract here knowing he'd eventually be way below market values because Jerry became a father figure when he was 20.

buybuydandavis · Jan 31, 2021

ABQCOWBOY said:
I think you could probably make the case that the surgery corrected everything and he's had a year off and is ready to play. But, he's going to have to pass physicals etc. I actually wouldn't mind keeping him for another year and drafting his replacement. Give that kid a year to get strong and learn the NFL position and then be ready to allow the kid to step in and start. That, to me, would be a wise way to approach this situation.

JMO

We've got two high quality starters at T. I don't want to to sit a guy we draft high, nor draft mid round, only to want to upgrade when one of our starters retired.
With all our needs, I don't see wasting draft capital on a guy who sits and we won't want as a starter anyway. If it's a Lamb situation, where extra value falls into our lap, take him. If Sewell fell to us, he would qualify.

It's a bad year for us to take a T, IMO. Tyron, Collins, Williams 1, Knight 2, Steele 3. When Tyron finally poops out, finish the season on Knight/Steele, then seriously spend the following year to get a franchise LT.

If anything, I'd be looking interior oline. We're a little light, and soon to be lighter. Looney looked done. Biadasz 3, McGovern 2, Willams 1 years left. Assume Biadasz and Williams start, that leaves McGovern to backup all 3 spots, and no one behind him. Time to bring in another to backfill for when Williams leaves. Doesn't have to be a high pick. Get us another guy who drops like McGovern.

buybuydandavis · Jan 31, 2021

Beaker42 said:
When you have a top 10 pick in a draft this void of top tier talent you use it - this not the year to trade down.

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If there is a lack of top tier talent at 10, that's the time to trade down.

NoLuv4Jerry · Jan 31, 2021

Didn't Jerry say they expect Romo to play 5 more years just before a knee to his back in a preseason game ended his career? It's one think to WISH or HOPE something....but this is professional football...they have to run this team with their HEADS.....and Jerry gets to close to players to do that. He thinks money he pays someone or money he owes them will be the final criteria if someone plays or does not play. I will never forget him after a big win...Jerry enters the lockeroom and confronts Jay Ratliff about "getting back out there". Now granted, Jerry had just signed Ratliff to an extension...but Ratliff tore his groin off the bone....it was not a "strain". And just because you paid him...does not mean his groin would automatically attach back to the bone over night!!

Beaker42 · Jan 31, 2021

817Gill said:
Both of those guys are undrafted free agents lol? And they did decent honestly. A 3rd/4th round pick in this years draft (deep with OT’s) could give you a future starter 100%.

Think guys like Orlando Brown, Joseph Notebloom, and Chukwura Okorafor.

3rd and 4th round O-linemen get your QB killed.

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