Was Larry Allen or Bob Lilly the greatest cowboy

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Greatest ever at his position. Something no other Cowboy can claim so definitively.

Bob Lilly ranked #10 all time player in the NFL. Only 2 defensive players rank above him, Dick Butkus and Lawrence *sniff, snort sniff* "Come here little gurl" Taylor.

Wish I could vote your last 2 posts down on this thread.
 

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Past Cowboys I never saw... Roger Staubach

For me Troy Aikman.

He quarterbacked my team to 3 super bowls in 4 years...pure greatness and as tough as nails. And a class act who always represents the Cowboys well.
 

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I know the QB's and a running back or two, maybe even a CB and safety would inter into this discussion, but theses two were world class.

who you got? it's the offseason for us at least.

Discuss.:flagwave:
Cowboys 1st draft pick ever, became a Hall of Famer, All decade, and All 100 year NFL player. There is a reason they call Bob Lilly Mr. Cowboy.

As for LA...He would not have been a Cowboys if it was for Jimmy Johnson hiring Tom Ciscowski and him losing his mind in the draft room pushing for the Cowboys to draft LA (after Jimmy was fired). LA is the greatest athlete I have ever seen with size, strength, speed, and power.

But Bob Lilly dominated for a longer period. Being the first and living up to the hype means a lot.

Bob Lilly is the reason every real Cowboys fan misspell Lily all the time.
 

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Greatest ever at his position. Something no other Cowboy can claim so definitively.

Not true..
We have the best long snapper in the business!... lol

Side note, I love seeing the meltdowns triggered by your posts.
You're the human version of those infamous memes with
the white cat.
 

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Deion Sanders is a better player than anyone who has ever played for this team. It's not even really debatable. The greatest to ever play the position and one of the top 5 defensive players of all time.

The only player who's really comparable to him would be Emmitt.
I guess this is why these are all subjective opinions.

Deion was a tremendous athlete . Anyone who can play at a high level in multiple sports is special. I’d put him up there with Herschel and Dorsett as far as freakishly talented Cowboy athletes but not the greatest player in Cowboy history. A much better argument can be made for Emmitt.
 

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I’m not really sure unless you saw a player perform can we really make a fair comparison . And really all you can be is the best of your era.

Two of the greatest I saw play were Jim Brown and Earl Campbell. Tremendous talents and dominated their opponents.
 

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I understand your point, but of course it is based on your definition of what the "Greatest Cowboy" is. Deion was a great player with great talent. There is no question of that. But others might have another definition that considers things like longevity with the team, whether a player is identified exclusively as a Cowboy or whether he is also strongly tied to other teams, whether a player was the face of the team etc ….

With Deion it's easy to get wide eyed over the pure athleticism and coverage skills, and of. course coverage is the most important skill for a CB, and he was probably the best ever at that. But I think it's reasonable to consider he was not strong helping against the run, and in fact it wasn't uncommon to see him shy away from tackles and just try to slow a player down without having to make hard contact.

As for his time as a Cowboy, that was only 5 out of 14 years - 36% of his career. He spent just as long with the Falcons, and had years with other teams. And only 14 of his 53 career INTs (26%) came as a Cowboy, and all his other statistical credentials were built more on his time with other teams than with Dallas. Like CouchCoach said in an earlier post, he was a mercenary who jumped from team to team.
Well done Rogers.!! Sheer talent and athletic ability doesn’t define greatest.

I think most fans that at least witnessed both eras would have a difficult time not placing Roger Staubach and Emmitt Smith as the two of if not the greatest Cowboys of all time. And they weren’t the two most talented.
 

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The beauty of this is that we have different candidates, which is one of the main reasons for the Cowboys fandom.

Compadres, we may have fallen on tough times but our history and some of the players to wear that Star gives us something a lot of fans do not have. That laundry really means something and those of us that got to live through that are fortunate for that because we have that to remind ourselves of how and why we became fans.

However, we are not better fans because we have known the good times, the times we mattered. You fans that signed on and didn't experience that know far more about the dedication of a Browns or Lions fan than we do. You have not been rewarded for your fanhood.
I guess you’re right . Many fans did hop on the wagon because of those glorious eras.

And then there are those of us old local diehards who begun rooting them before they ever won a playoff game.

Lilly, Renfro, Howley, Jordan , Merideth, Hayes , Perkins and Reeves , etc were our guys. And we would have been like those fans in Cleveland and Detroit if that’s what our fate would have become.
 

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Put it this way, if in their prime, I see Larry Allen, Randy White or Bob Lilly and they are mad? I’m running the other way
I am not running away. I am driving as fast as I can away because they could probably catch me and then I am in trouble. Those three are probably the top Cowboys players imo with also Emmitt. Now what order they go in is debatable.
 

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No, he wasn't the greatest CB ever because that entails tackling as well.
His rise to fame was the “ shut down corner” stigma and of course his “ prime time” persona. Tremendous talent but one of the greatest players to ever play. No way.

We tried him on offense and dropped too many balls and unless he ran by you wasn’t a great route runner.
I’d take Renfro , maybe Adderley over him for a career just at corner.
 

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I am not running away. I am driving as fast as I can away because they could probably catch me and then I am in trouble. Those three are probably the top Cowboys players imo with also Emmitt. Now what order they go in is debatable.
Allen no doubt most dominating Cowboys OL and we’ve had a bunch but greatest player. Not how I see it. And not any fans I know.
 

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Because you didn't live through it and every piece of rock music that drifts across your ears was born in the 50's/60's. It was truly a time in music that I cannot adequately describe to anyone that wasn't there. However, that's just one aspect of that era but the only one of importance to me. Unless you count porn in technicolor.
Anyone who didn’t live the 60’s and 70’s whether in the music or sports will never be able to relate by simply reading , listening about it or watching videos.

I minored in American History and wrote my thesis on Great Depression but it was my parents and grandparents depictions and testimonials which brought my paper out. Not the info I researched and gathered or opinions I presented but the real life experiences.
 
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Anyone who didn’t live the 60’s and 70’s whether in the music or sports will never be able to relate by simply reading , listening about it or watching videos.

I minored in American History and wrote my thesis on Great Depression but it was my parents and grandparents depictions and experiences which brought my paper out. Not the knowledge I researched, the info I gathered or opinions I presented.

Wrong.
 

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I guess you’re right . Many fans did hop on the wagon because of those glorious eras.

And then there are those of us old local diehards who begun rooting them before they ever won a playoff game.

Lilly, Renfro, Howley, Jordan , Merideth, Hayes , Perkins and Reeves , etc were our guys. And we would have been like those fans in Cleveland and Detroit if that’s what our fate would have become.
Yup, been following the Cowboys since season number one. It's a good feeling inside to have witnessed so many great players, coaches, and teams who developed the Cowboys into perennial winners. As a fan, I will always have those memories - no matter what.
And I will keep rooting for them no matter what.
 

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His rise to fame was the “ shut down corner” stigma and of course his “ prime time” persona. Tremendous talent but one of the greatest players to ever play. No way.

We tried him on offense and dropped too many balls and unless he ran by you wasn’t a great route runner.
I’d take Renfro , maybe Adderley over him for a career just at corner.
Also, Cornell Green, one hell of a tackler.
Landry was one of the greatest cornerbacks to ever play - 32 interceptions in 80 games.
 
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