Mike Bascik Spills Some Tea on Dak Situation

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Turk said:
I agree with the comment about the second surgery. In the past the boys have freely discussed what was supposed to be a clean up procedure in other players.
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You can not discuss players medicals if they are not under contract to you, period.
All they can report is what they are told; surgery went well or not.
I am sure part of the negotiation will be to have those medical records but I seriously doubt they have them today.
Free agents are not not allowed to work out at the facility or anything unless they sign participation waivers.

Dak has a full team for his rehab that are not associated with the Cowboys directly.
 
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No one is signing him until Dak can pass a physical. I doubt he could pass a physical until August at the earliest, assuming everything goes well.
I don't see how the Cowboys could use either the exclusive or non-exclusive tag. Dak would sign either of those tags in a second. Cowboys would be on the hook for a lot of money even if he couldn't play this year. Best way is to just let him hit FA in March and Dak can let the Cowboys match if he a) gets an offer and b) wants to give the Cowboys a chance to match.

Don't tag him and let him explore the market. Maybe match, maybe not. Have a backup plan in case Dak can't play or Dak leaves.
 
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ShaneFalco said:
Which games did you watch Lance play in?
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mostly 2019....did watch the rally against c ark in '20.
but the games i watched were from '19.
i like him.
very raw.
but there's some fun talent there i think.
but i clean toilets for a livin'...so what the hell do i know.
 
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jterrell said:
You can not discuss players medicals if they are not under contract to you, period.
All they can report is what they are told; surgery went well or not.
I am sure part of the negotiation will be to have those medical records but I seriously doubt they have them today.
Free agents are not not allowed to work out at the facility or anything unless they sign participation waivers.

Dak has a full team for his rehab that are not associated with the Cowboys directly.
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Prescott is on the tag and that doesn't expire until the new league year starts so yes technically he's still part of the team and yes the team is entitled to Prescott's medical records until then.
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I listen to them idiots every day and they are not as plugged in as they want people to believe
 
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No one is signing him until Dak can pass a physical. I doubt he could pass a physical until August at the earliest, assuming everything goes well.
I don't see how the Cowboys could use either the exclusive or non-exclusive tag. Dak would sign either of those tags in a second. Cowboys would be on the hook for a lot of money even if he couldn't play this year. Best way is to just let him hit FA in March and Dak can let the Cowboys match if he a) gets an offer and b) wants to give the Cowboys a chance to match.

Don't tag him and let him explore the market. Maybe match, maybe not. Have a backup plan in case Dak can't play or Dak leaves.
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If a player is tagged but is unable to play and hadn't participated in any team practices after signing the tag and can't play for the entire season, the tag is lifted for medical reasons and the Cowboys will not have to pay him if he can't play for the season. The tag is only guaranteed if able to play in training camp and practices and games. Now if a tagged player is injured either in practice in training camp and doesn't play all year then his tag is still guaranteed because the reason he missed the season was AFTER signing the tag and the injury occured AFTER he signed the tag.
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I doubt Bascik would just make this up. He probably has heard it.

What I wonder is if someone from the Cowboys floated it out there to try to lower Dak's asking price a bit. I wouldn't put it past them.
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One I don't put it past any of today's mediots to make stuff up to get ratings/clicks. Two why would floating a phony rumor have any impact on Dak's asking price. Like Dak doesn't know about his own leg? Did they amputate it and take it to the Czech Republic for repair and plan to bring it back and reattach it after the Franchise Tag date passes? Or maybe they refuse to give it back to him period unless he signs a long term deal?
 
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If a player is tagged but is unable to play and hadn't participated in any team practices after signing the tag and can't play for the entire season, the tag is lifted for medical reasons and the Cowboys will not have to pay him if he can't play for the season. The tag is only guaranteed if able to play in training camp and practices and games. Now if a tagged player is injured either in practice in training camp and doesn't play all year then his tag is still guaranteed because the reason he missed the season was AFTER signing the tag and the injury occured AFTER he signed the tag.
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Thanks for the info. So he can be tagged and the tag lifted. I guess the Cowboys would have to keep $37M in the books until some date.
 
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ClappingCarrot said:
They do it all the time.

They still won't tell us what really happened with Earl Thomas.
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That's different. Dak being injured isn't news. Everyone saw it happened. But now its some exclusive to how serious it is? And oh yeah he's 10-20 percent sure he may not play the beginning of the season?
 
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I am a Dak supporter. My position is to give him a chance to show that he can progress to the top of this game. But get him a defense.

However, anyone who thinks that injury is not a game changer for Dak, they are not considering all aspects. I have said in the past the return to playing is determined by the ability to actually function as he did before.

What makes this such a mystery is no one knows if he will fully recover. This year, or in the future.

Outside of his health, my opinion is he is much better than the great unwashed thinks.

But this franchise is hamstrung by the results, which will not be in until close to training camp in 2021.
 
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gjkoeppen said:
Prescott is on the tag and that doesn't expire until the new league year starts so yes technically he's still part of the team and yes the team is entitled to Prescott's medical records until then.
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Dan Cooper, the Cowboys head doctor participated in the first surgery.
This was back in October.

We have no such reports with the second surgery.
Why? Possibly just because no one asked or more likely because no Cowboys officials were involved.

The day after the Super Bowl the league year ends.
And you enter a dead period.
Then the new NFL league year begins in March.
NFL teams have no recourse over athletes during this period unless they have workout bonus pay tied to it.

Any player not under contract for 2021 is essentially free now.
Then teams can make claims between February 23rd and March 9th to prevent them entering unrestricted free agency.
BUT even if a player is tagged they do not really belong to the team.
There can be no fines for instance for missing OTAs or anything else UNTIL they sign the tender.

That is all a long way to say it is almost certain Dak's current medicals/rehab details are NOT shared with the Cowboys unless Dak's agent signed off on that.
And why would he as it is real leverage.
Jerry wants him in the Cowboys program early in the off-season to gauge his health? Then let's sign the long-term 40M AAV deal.
 
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TwoDeep3 said:
I am a Dak supporter. My position is to give him a chance to show that he can progress to the top of this game. But get him a defense.

However, anyone who thinks that injury is not a game changer for Dak, they are not considering all aspects. I have said in the past the return to playing is determined by the ability to actually function as he did before.

What makes this such a mystery is no one knows if he will fully recover. This year, or in the future.

Outside of his health, my opinion is he is much better than the great unwashed thinks.

But this franchise is hamstrung by the results, which will not be in until close to training camp in 2021.
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Both Tom Brady and Pat Mahomes has surgeries post Super Bowl.

Dak's injury looked serious but it has been widely reported he's off crutches and doing weight bearing exercises now in FEBRUARY.

Dak wasn't exactly Lamar Jackson juking dudes out of their jocks or burning off at 4.3 speed.
He was a power runner based largely on his size and adequate at best speed.

The only real concern would be if he couldn't plant on his repaired ankle. And you've got 6 months to get him there.

This is all off-season noise driven by people starved for attention.

Could the worst case scenario happen?
Sure, but odds are very low.
The real issue will be the mental side and will he be willing to take shots at his legs now.
And that we won't know until week 1 because zero players are going to be allowed near him in practice or pre-season.
 
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I heard the crosstalk, and it's funny how some guys attack Mike and didn't even listen to the segment or whatever.

I don't think he was fibbing because he had no reason to, and that station isn't hurting for attention or clicks.

Ppl have to realize this isn't some ACL injury, Dak's foot was twisted around in the wrong direction, and it's very reasonable to think there could be complications. Mike didn't say Dak's career was over, but at the very least Jerry nem have to go get a QB regardless.
 
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jterrell said:
Both Tom Brady and Pat Mahomes has surgeries post Super Bowl.

Dak's injury looked serious but it has been widely reported he's off crutches and doing weight bearing exercises now in FEBRUARY.

Dak wasn't exactly Lamar Jackson juking dudes out of their jocks or burning off at 4.3 speed.
He was a power runner based largely on his size and adequate at best speed.

The only real concern would be if he couldn't plant on his repaired ankle. And you've got 6 months to get him there.

This is all off-season noise driven by people starved for attention.

Could the worst case scenario happen?
Sure, but odds are very low.
The real issue will be the mental side and will he be willing to take shots at his legs now.
And that we won't know until week 1 because zero players are going to be allowed near him in practice or pre-season.
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That will be the ultimate test. When 300 pounders start falling around his feet, do his feet get happy? Does he take off early not allowing that additional time for his receivers to clear? When he does take off, does his injury affect his slide?

The sight of that injury made me rigor, I can't imagine looking down and that being my ankle. The one thing we know about Prescott is that he's a strong willed young man and he overcame the injuries of other QB's to get his job, now he must overcome his own to keep it. Mentally, I think he's going to be just fine.
 
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ClappingCarrot said:
Akin to "spilling the beans." Same concept.
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