Someone tell the Bucs you build through the draft only

HoplessCowboysFan36 · Feb 16, 2021

Mobinvans said:
I see on the boards all the time “build through the draft and bring in some stop gaps (scrubs) in free agency....that’s how you win a Super Bowl

Well Steve let’s take a look at the Bucs....

Notable free agents:

1. Tom Brady
2. Shaq Barret
3. Gronk
4. Fournette
5. Suh
6. Antonio Brown
7. Jason Paul

So you can go on living that lie that we will win a Super Bowl through the draft and free agency scrubs

The core of that team was drafted. But you are absolutely right. You have to get the right players in FA to complete a contending roster.

visionary · Feb 16, 2021

big dog cowboy said:
All those FA's wouldn't have mattered if they stuck with Winston instead of signing Brady. Brady made all that possible.

and without JPP, Suh, Barnett and Fournette, Brady would have done exactly nothing

so the point stands

To compete for and win a SB you have to make smart draft choices but going after some of the better FAs is critically important

gimmesix · Feb 16, 2021

phildadon86 said:
So you listed 7 players out of 53. Great argument. I guess you missed the part where their entire core of players are draftees. What we should do. Is pay the players we draft. That’s our problem. Trying to get cute with Dak is what got us into this situation. If they would have paid him 2 years ago. None of this drama would be happening.

Three of their front seven were either acquired in trades or free agency. That's a significant number.

Of course, we tried to do that last year (Poe, McCoy, A. Smith), but what we're paying couldn't attract the same quality. Suh cost $10 million for one year. We signed McCoy for $6 million a season knowing it was questionable because of an injury concern, which we at least accounted for in the contract.

They traded a third-round pick for Pierre-Paul. We signed Aldon Smith for $2 million coming off a five-year layoff. Ours was more of a shot in the dark than the Bucs' acquisition because Smith was coming off a long layoff while JPP had 15.5 sacks in his final two years in New York after his freak accident.

Barrett was similar to moves we have made. He had shown just a little in Denver, so the Bucs got him for cheap and he thrived. But there's a lot of hit and miss with those kinds of players and we've had our share of them trying to find the player with untapped potential who becomes a star.

Creeper · Feb 16, 2021

PAPPYDOG said:
Need Cap cash to go shopping.....Good Gm doesn't hurt either.

This is exactly right, which is why it is important not to overspend on the guys you pay. Zeke, Lawrence, Jaylon Smith, Tyrone Crawford, and Amari Cooper were all retained by the Cowboys. IMO, all were overpaid for what they produce. To be clear, I am not saying they are all bad players. Most are very good players, but the point is, are they producing at the level they are being paid. Some might argue Cooper does, but I am not sure any of them really do.

This is where a good GM looks at who he has, evaluates who is available and makes decisions that improve the team. Jerry gets married to his own players and then overpays to keep them.

phildadon86 · Feb 16, 2021

gimmesix said:
Three of their front seven were either acquired in trades or free agency. That's a significant number.

Of course, we tried to do that last year (Poe, McCoy, A. Smith), but what we're paying couldn't attract the same quality. Suh cost $10 million for one year. We signed McCoy for $6 million a season knowing it was questionable because of an injury concern, which we at least accounted for in the contract.

They traded a third-round pick for Pierre-Paul. We signed Aldon Smith for $2 million coming off a five-year layoff. Ours was more of a shot in the dark than the Bucs' acquisition because Smith was coming off a long layoff while JPP had 15.5 sacks in his final two years in New York after his freak accident.

Barrett was similar to moves we have made. He had shown just a little in Denver, so the Bucs got him for cheap and he thrived. But there's a lot of hit and miss with those kinds of players and we've had our share of them trying to find the player with untapped potential who becomes a star.

I think a huge factor a lot are forgetting is Arians. That man can COACH

Winonesoon · Feb 16, 2021

Mobinvans said:
I see on the boards all the time “build through the draft and bring in some stop gaps (scrubs) in free agency....that’s how you win a Super Bowl

Well Steve let’s take a look at the Bucs....

Notable free agents:

1. Tom Brady
2. Shaq Barret
3. Gronk
4. Fournette
5. Suh
6. Antonio Brown
7. Jason Paul

So you can go on living that lie that we will win a Super Bowl through the draft and free agency scrubs

Its a calculated risk. It worked. good for them. Man, talk about pushing all your chips forward.

DFWJC · Feb 16, 2021

Im not sure if Ive even seen...anyone....say you have to buuild a team through the draft “only”

Kevinicus · Feb 16, 2021

rocyaice said:
Only ones notable are Barrett and Brady. They would’ve won the Super Bowl without them and quite frankly if it wasn’t for the draft that offensive line wouldn’t have been able to protect Brady.

That's some next level nonsense right there.

gimmesix · Feb 16, 2021

phildadon86 said:
I think a huge factor a lot are forgetting is Arians. That man can COACH

I think you obviously have a good coach, but even Jimmy Johnson said as a coach, you're only as good as the talent on the team.

I think we saw that last year with McCarthy. Injuries robbed us of a lot of talent and the failed cheap FA moves kept us from adding to what we had sufficiently. Now, we should have still been better on defense than we were, so that's on Nolan and it's on McCarthy for bringing him here. But we've got to up the talent level on this team, and we need a few successful moves outside of the draft (whether it's through trades or free agency) to get there.

visionary · Feb 16, 2021

phildadon86 said:
So you listed 7 players out of 53. Great argument. I guess you missed the part where their entire core of players are draftees. What we should do. Is pay the players we draft. That’s our problem. Trying to get cute with Dak is what got us into this situation. If they would have paid him 2 years ago. None of this drama would be happening.

how does a reasonably intelligent person witch football and then come up with this post?

ignorance
Agenda
Or both

phildadon86 · Feb 16, 2021

visionary said:
how does a reasonably intelligent person witch football and then come up with this post?

ignorance
Agenda
Or both

You're saying leaving paying Dak until his contract expired was smart? Or that Tampa is completely made up of FA's? Or what?

birdwells1 · Feb 16, 2021

Creeper said:
This is exactly right, which is why it is important not to overspend on the guys you pay. Zeke, Lawrence, Jaylon Smith, Tyrone Crawford, and Amari Cooper were all retained by the Cowboys. IMO, all were overpaid for what they produce. To be clear, I am not saying they are all bad players. Most are very good players, but the point is, are they producing at the level they are being paid. Some might argue Cooper does, but I am not sure any of them really do.

This is where a good GM looks at who he has, evaluates who is available and makes decisions that improve the team. Jerry gets married to his own players and then overpays to keep them.

As I stated before, SJ is not a good judge of talent so instead of going out and signing day 1 fa he'd rather sign our own guys because it's safer. Thus the reason we find ourselves in bad second deals with our own players because we over value them. Remember that Jerry and Stephen ultimate goal is to prove to the world that they are "football" guys and the least mistakes they make ih their eyes the better. The last big fa they've sign was Carr, let that sink in.

visionary · Feb 16, 2021

phildadon86 said:
You're saying leaving paying Dak until his contract expired was smart? Or that Tampa is completely made up of FA's? Or what?

like I said

ignorance
agenda
Or both

I guess BOTH in your case

GMO415 · Feb 16, 2021

You build a championship team with the right culture.

phildadon86 · Feb 16, 2021

visionary said:
like I said

ignorance
agenda
Or both

I guess BOTH in your case

Or you have reading issues. I have no agenda. If we were going to prolong signing Dak it makes 0 sense from a business standpoint to agree with that. Especially seeing the market for QB's now. And unless Tampa has 53 free agents on their team I am not wrong. So in your case. Reading comprehension must be lacking.

DenCWBY · Feb 16, 2021

Mr_437 said:
Jerry better load up on Bitcoin to pay these players if he going shopping.

Cowboys aren't a destination anymore, there the Bengals with a Star on the helmet...good times.

This. The once respected star is now just a no pressure place to pick up a decent (no state tax) paycheck along with nice digs to practice and play in.
If you time it right, you might pick up a nice contract whereby your pretty much guaranteed to play with little competition in TC no matter how well you perform during the season.

McKDaddy · Feb 16, 2021

gimmesix said:
Barrett was similar to moves we have made. He had shown just a little in Denver, so the Bucs got him for cheap and he thrived.

We desperately needed Dline but apparently made no effort to go after him. There have been enough players like him that were available at positions of need on the cheap who have contributed to championships and deep playoff runs and would have changed our team for the better but for reasons unknown we let them pass by. Its one thing not to have a legit chance to improve, its another thing to have chances and squander them.

cowboyec · Feb 16, 2021

darthseinfeld said:
Winfield was really bad this year

he looked good in the games i saw.

Jake · Feb 16, 2021

Mobinvans said:
I see on the boards all the time “build through the draft and bring in some stop gaps (scrubs) in free agency....that’s how you win a Super Bowl

So you can go on living that lie that we will win a Super Bowl through the draft and free agency scrubs

The lie is believing the Jones boys are ever going to put together a team the way Tampa did in 2020. They're incapable of it.

CowboysFaninHouston · Feb 16, 2021

lostar2009 said:
Tampa core is pretty good. They just added the sprinkles.

that's exactly how everybody else does it. no one splurges and builds a team through FA. FA is expensive. you will overpay for good players. KC built through the draft. tampa built through the draft. GB built through the draft. washington built through the draft. bills built through the draft and as you said, they all sprinkled some FA here and there and perhaps a major signing to close the gap.

Someone tell the Bucs you build through the draft only

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