Twitter: Archer's six-years contract proposal for Dak

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Tell you all what....

If he doesn't agree to a deal and plays on that tag again.....

Not only can the team not help him out on the field.....what if he cracks that same ankle again and misses much of the season?

Then he is a FA again and can't be tagged, but who is going near him after the same ankle was busted two years in a row?

If the FO is willing to gamble on him, he owes them a bit in return.
 
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It's a bit concerning thinking that Dak has dug in for a 4 year deal. While it has been often repeated that the Cowboys are not willing to commit to Dak, can't the same can be said for Dak not wanting to commit to the Cowboys?

Personally, I have no problem with a 4 year deal for Dak.
 
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John813 said:
Saints and New England have done it in recent years with their QB's.

Of course both guys were at the believed "tail end" of their career but Brees and Brady's deals had voidable years at the end to drop the cap hits in the "non voidable" years.

Saints also did it with Cook too
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Maybe there's hope?
 

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fivetwos said:
Tell you all what....

If he doesn't agree to a deal and plays on that tag again.....

Not only can the team not help him out on the field.....what if he cracks that same ankle again and misses much of the season?

Then he is a FA again and can't be tagged, but who is going near him after the same ankle was busted two years in a row?

If the FO is willing to gamble on him, he owes them a bit in return.
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hypotheticals......so if we are doing that

what if he is healed and comes back and leads the offense to be the best in the NFL (historically possible), and we can't tag him again and he goes to another team and leads them to superbowl....

he played on a 4th rounder contract. never complained. never held out. let it all hang out. he owes nothing to the team. owing something to the team is a fan made up sentiment.
 
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CowboysFaninHouston said:
hypotheticals......so if we are doing that

what if he is healed and comes back and leads the offense to be the best in the NFL (historically possible), and we can't tag him again and he goes to another team and leads them to superbowl....

he played on a 4th rounder contract. never complained. never held out. let it all hang out. he owes nothing to the team. owing something to the team is a fan made up sentiment.
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I agree, and thats why people meet in the middle.

I'm trying to point out any reason why Dak ought to settle, because I think he has most of the leverage, the situation I mentioned being one of the few things not in his favor here.

For the record....I'm in favor of paying him the rate he is looking for.
 
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fivetwos said:
The leverage that Dak has right now, coupled with the idea that the supposed negotiating geniuses named Jones usually seem to get hosed on terms when it comes to their pet cats.....scares me.
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I dont know how much leverage Dak has right now.
Unfortunately for Dak, his injury leveled the leverage, esp if he isnt showing full health going into camp, and the reports are vague which isnt supportive on his behalf.
 

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Typhus said:
I dont know how much leverage Dak has right now.
Unfortunately for Dak, his injury leveled the leverage, esp if he isnt showing full health going into camp, and the reports are vague which isnt supportive on his behalf.
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It really didnt. For context Drew Brees had one good season and had an injury on the last game of a season to his throwing shoulder and he still got big money. Major injury to a throwing shoulder is worth a little more than a broken ankle that by all accounts is recovering just fine and by all accounts he would absolutely be ready for TC if not offseason workouts. People wondered if Drew Brees would throw again and he STILL got top money before that question was answered and when he had less of a pedigree than Dak. Dak has insane leverage right now.
 
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Adreme said:
It really didnt. For context Drew Brees had one good season and had an injury on the last game of a season to his throwing shoulder and he still got big money. Major injury to a throwing shoulder is worth a little more than a broken ankle that by all accounts is recovering just fine and by all accounts he would absolutely be ready for TC if not offseason workouts. People wondered if Drew Brees would throw again and he STILL got top money before that question was answered and when he had less of a pedigree than Dak. Dak has insane leverage right now.
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Your comparing Drew Brees to Dak Prescott, are you sure you want to stand on that premise?
 
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phildadon86 said:
I don’t see how Dak is going to sign for a deal less than the one he had on the table last year unless I’m reading this wrong
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I’m not following either
If it’s voidable after year 4 then he’s likely to get less money
The six years that’s voidable after 4 is a smart idea but you gonna need over 140 million in his pocket guaranteed in first 4 years to make it work
 
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Hawkeye0202 said:
He may but Archer is implying Jerry and Stephen apparently has no problem with the amount of money but they need to spread it out to give him what he wants. This is why this proposal is a 4 year deal under a 6-year contract.
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Basically it’s a 4 year deal
Not sure I get the money
You would need a structure that guarantees him over 140 mil in those first 4 years
Otherwise I don’t get why he would sign
 

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Typhus said:
Your comparing Drew Brees to Dak Prescott, are you sure you want to stand on that premise?
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Yes because Dak wins that comparison by a mile. I do not think you realize how bad Drew Brees was the first part of his career. He was so bad that the Chargers drafted his replacement, and if not for a contract holdout by Philip Rivers then Drew Brees is not even starting for them. Drew Brees then went on to have a good year, the first of his career, and then started the next season and regressed slightly but got hurt the last game of the season.

When you compare that to Dak who looked great as a rookie, regressed badly his second year, looked good his 3rd year, had a big leap forward his 4th year having the 2nd best offense in the NFL and was shattering records this year before injury then yes I would put that over the first 5 years of Drew Brees career.
 

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John813 said:
It's what they will need to do if Dak really wants a 4 year deal.

2 voidable years allow cap flexibility with some possible pain down the road but worry about today and not 4 years later.
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If fake accounting were so easy, why wouldn't they have done it the first time?
 
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buybuydandavis said:
If fake accounting were so easy, why wouldn't they have done it the first time?
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Imo there are downsides to it. Dead cap will be a thing year 5 if the contract is truly voided. And would stay even if re-signed later.

Imo this could be used more this offseason by more teams to fit in this cap crunch.

Players still get their guaranteed money and teams find a way to save some cap space while not "losing" talent to a negative growth cap.
 
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ninja said:
Dak can’t pass a physical and people are throwing 6-year $38M/year contract offers out with $90M guaranteed the first two years.
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If anyone gives Dak 90 million guaranteed in the first 2 years then they need to be strapped down to a table and given a lobotomy. That would be an improvement.
 
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