Give Dak a nonexclusive franchise tag

PJTHEDOORS · Feb 18, 2021

Robbieac said:
And there we have it my friends.

There is no use in pointing out clear and obvious facts and discussing this any further with some folks. No matter what......some people will never see the writing on the wall if they choose not to believe the truth....

Just as you are blinded with the truth of your Dak hate. As I said, if this was prime Aikman or Romo, you'd do a 180.

ondaedg · Feb 18, 2021

Robbieac said:
And there we have it my friends.

There is no use in pointing out clear and obvious facts and discussing this any further with some folks. No matter what......some people will never see the writing on the wall if they choose not to believe the truth....

Just because you say it’s the truth doesn’t make it the truth. And statistically any suggestion that letting a young franchise qb walk in favor of two first round picks is a losing battle. You are rolling the dice with the odds working against you. That is why the Chiefs and Texans locked up their guys quick. That is why the Yankees gave Garrett Cole a fully guaranteed nine year $324mil contract. You pay the price if you want a stud in the stable.

blueblood70 · Feb 18, 2021

welp saw somewhere that 0(ZERO)- of 22 first round qbs from 2009-2017 i believe are no longer with their original team..so thats what , 6years not one first round qb stuck with the team that drafted them.more are comig to up the years of failed 1st rounders..

all those clamoring for trade up or getting qb in the first round at 10 might want to think hard about the risk..sign dak risk but is it more risk to trade him then miss on qbs the next 203 drafts..hmm dilemma for sure.

march 9th is coming quickly.lots of decsions for the nfl but the DC FO with dak and FAs..

The NFL needs to actually get the cap SET so the FA and Tags can begin..

PAPPYDOG · Feb 18, 2021

lk8701 said:
We could get lucky and receive 2 first round picks for him. The Colts traded for Wentz so they're out of the running. The Saints don't have enough cap room. Maybe a team like the Panthers (8th pick), Jets (2nd pick), or Broncos (9th pick) sign him.

LOL...No one is giving 2 # 1 picks for gimp Dak!
P.S.I highly doubt we could get a low 1 at this point for bionic ankle man....

FuzzyLumpkins · Feb 18, 2021

Dalmations202 said:
OK, Jerry does the Non-Exclusive.
Daks agent doesn't shop him at all, because no one would give him $40M a year and 2 -1st.
Dak signs Tag a few days before season starts.
Dak keeps Dallas at $38M and sets his value at $38M.
Dak wins this year, he owns the leverage and is playing it for all its worth - betting on himself.

See same ol, same ol, next year.

Next year, Dallas has drafted and trades for a QB.
Dak gets dropped.
Dak gets signed at 20% less than he would have made here, plus pays taxes.

Dallas lost a good QB. Dak lost money.

Welcome to how this looks like it is most likely going to play out.

Why wouldn't he shop him?

Young productive pro bowl quarterbacks never hit the market. Having multiple teams bid on Dak would only help his cause.

gjkoeppen · Feb 18, 2021

lk8701 said:
We could get lucky and receive 2 first round picks for him. The Colts traded for Wentz so they're out of the running. The Saints don't have enough cap room. Maybe a team like the Panthers (8th pick), Jets (2nd pick), or Broncos (9th pick) sign him.

The problem with your idea is the Cowboys just may not want to risk losing the QB they believe is their franchise QB for now and in the future. Here's one more thing that those people don't get. Putting the non-exclusive tag on is telling the player that they are really trying to trade him. Just about every person here who has either started a non-exclusive tag thread or agreeing with the ones that were started have some kind of problem with Prescott and are just looking for a way for him to be gone. Unfortunately for those people the Cowboys don't read the comments here so they couldn't care less what some here think.
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Future · Feb 18, 2021

Robbieac said:
Okay cool. So we are a Superbowl contender if we keep Dak? But we have absolutely no chance of being a Superbowl contender if we use multiple first round picks and $40 million a year elsewhere?

That's great! We are now the fighting Daks and will be perennial Superbowl contenders! Why didn't you just say so?

Well yes, they are. (Don't argue I know what you're going to say)

You also have 0 understanding of how the cap works. At $40m/yr, Dak's cap hit is going to be closer to $30m. If you're going to sign another SB-capable QB, you're looking at $20m. So tell me what you're going to do with that $10m in savings.

You can't do it, because it is flawed logic. It is quite literally what the Commanders have done, and they are nowhere closer to the Super Bowl now than they were 4 years ago when they let Cousins walk.

FuzzyLumpkins · Feb 18, 2021

PAPPYDOG said:
LOL...No one is giving 2 # 1 picks for gimp Dak!
P.S.I highly doubt we could get a low 1 at this point for bionic ankle man....

Still have not learned to speak for yourself.

Generally speaking critical thinking tells me that those that speak for others to try and prop up their authority speaking on a matter are to be disregarding.

You have no idea what 31 other teams are going to do.

gjkoeppen · Feb 18, 2021

JeffInDC said:
THIS REASON ALONE is why I blame the Cowboys FO for all this - they had the mechanism in place to call Todd France's bluff during this whole negotiation. I don't blame the player/agent for trying to get anything they can. That's their responsibility.

Exactly what could Stephen or Jerry have done to call France's bluff? They can't hold a gun to his head so what was this big mechanism the Cowboys had that would have called France's bluff?
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jterrell · Feb 18, 2021

We have covered all of this before but you gain zero by using non-exclusive tag.
Cost is the same.
Dak has zero obligation to do anything.
If he does decide ot find a new team he agrees on his terms and they eat the cap space the entire time until a deal is done for the trade.
BUT, Dak has no real motivation to do anything other than sit by and collect his 37.7M on the way to free agency next year.

This would be insulting your QB for zero gain.

You can tag and then trade if he is on board.
Same as by making him non-exclusive.

gjkoeppen · Feb 18, 2021

ChronicCowboy said:
It doesn’t matter because no one is going to sign Dak until his leg is healed which is probably 6 months away.

Everything points to Dak playing this season on the tag again. If he has an All Pro season, he’ll probably get the largest contract in NFL history in 2022. If he plays average and/or gets injured again, his time here will be done.

I just laugh and find it so amusing how people here with no medical degrees and have never examined Prescott or have been anywhere close to see what he's doing in rehab but can still determine when Prescott will be ready. They must have really good crystal balls, crazy eight balls and ouja boards.
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Robbieac · Feb 18, 2021

PJTHEDOORS said:
Just as you are blinded with the truth of your Dak hate. As I said, if this was prime Aikman or Romo, you'd do a 180.

Wow. You are embarrassingly wrong on just about everything.

1) I don't hate Dak. I like him. He's a very solid QB that has consistently gotten better (prior to the injury).

My "hate" is for the QB market of stupidity that is consistently backfiring on teams. It has NOTHING to do with Dak. It ALL has to do with the SIZE of the QB contracts these days.

2) I HATED giving Romo the big contract. So you are wrong on that account too.

3) And prime Aikman was a 1st ballot hall of famer and a 3 time Superbowl winner. It's nonsense to even mention Aikman and Dak in the same sentence or to compare them.
Literally.................it's absurd nonsense.

Jarv · Feb 18, 2021

khiladi said:
Jerry has to do zero. Franchise Dak, who will balk and sign, just like last year, and have to prove himself after this injury and that too behind Philbin and an aging and deteriorating OL, with an OC that has shown he is questionable in consistently running the ball.

and Dak isn’t getting 2 first round draft picks coming off this injury anyways. Only his fans think he’s worth that much.

No team can set a price without offering 2 1st round picks.

PAPPYDOG · Feb 18, 2021

FuzzyLumpkins said:
Still have not learned to speak for yourself.

Generally speaking critical thinking tells me that those that speak for others to try and prop up their authority speaking on a matter are to be disregarding.

You have no idea what 31 other teams are going to do.

I know average to tier 3 QB talent when I see it.
Dak is another Jamie Winston waiting to happen.

Jarv · Feb 18, 2021

Future said:
A lot wrong here.

No team is going to "over offer" to box the Cowboys in, but they'll do it because they don't have a quarterback. That's how free agency works at every position, in every sport. There is no chance Dak gets offers at less than "market." Crazy to think that.

It doesn't matter if they sign the tag or not. The Cowboys control if he accrues a season by using the tag. If Dak chooses to sit out - which would be beyond stupid - the Cowboys can just place the tag on him next year again. By opening the door for other teams, you're losing control of the price. Dallas, with the tag, sets the price at $38, and that's where negotiations start. Same thing they did last year at $31. When you go non-exclusive, you let some team - say San Fran or NE - offer $45 and Dallas now has no negotiating control. You're delusional if you think a team wouldn't do that.

There is just absolutely 0 upside to the non-exclusive. It results in having a more expensive quarterback or no quarterback.

The upside is 2 1st round picks if someone else signs him.

The upside is that if no one offers him more than 30 million it set's his market price lower for us to negotiate a better deal.

Future · Feb 18, 2021

Jarv said:
The upside is 2 1st round picks if someone else signs him.

The upside is that if no one offers him more than 30 million it set's his market price lower for us to negotiate a better deal.

Again, this is not upside. Your team is worse.

No it doesn't, because Dallas doesn't know if teams are offering him that. Dallas only knows if he chooses to sign.

Jarv · Feb 18, 2021

Future said:
Again, this is not upside. Your team is worse.

No it doesn't, because Dallas doesn't know if teams are offering him that. Dallas only knows if he chooses to sign.

I disagree, that's all.

2 - 1st round picks with our current picks is a whole lot of draft currency.

Tom Brady signed a 2 year, $50,000,000 contract with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, including $50,000,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $25,000,000. Heck 2 years of Brady is almost equal to one year of Dak.

Our difference of opinion is you put Dak up there with the best of the best at QB and I don't.

I take the picks and draft capital and build the defense. Then sign another QB for a lot less than Dak, maybe a little drop off offensively, but having a better defense offsets that.

Our Oline and supporting cast is still top notch once everyone is back from injuries. Face it, even with Dak setting records last year we were going nowhere with us being 1-3 before he got hurt.

Future · Feb 18, 2021

Jarv said:
I disagree, that's all.

2 - 1st round picks with our current picks is a whole lot of draft currency.

Tom Brady signed a 2 year, $50,000,000 contract with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, including $50,000,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $25,000,000. Heck 2 years of Brady is almost equal to one year of Dak.

Our difference of opinion is you put Dak up there with the best of the best at QB and I don't.

I take the picks and draft capital and build the defense. Then sign another QB for a lot less than Dak, maybe a little drop off offensively, but having a better defense offsets that.

Our Oline and supporting cast is still top notch once everyone is back from injuries. Face it, even with Dak setting records last year we were going nowhere with us being 1-3 before he got hurt.

Fine but you're wrong.

FuzzyLumpkins · Feb 18, 2021

PAPPYDOG said:
I know average to tier 3 QB talent when I see it.
Dak is another Jamie Winston waiting to happen.

I know mindless bias when I see it. All I see here is one who cannot come up with new takes for going on 2 years and can only speak for others he has no business doing so to prop his position.

Looks at their respective pick rates. Dak has never thrown into coverage like Winston does. Dak has never been as inaccurate. Dak has improved his mechanics every year.

lk8701 · Feb 18, 2021

Future said:
Well yes, they are. (Don't argue I know what you're going to say)

You also have 0 understanding of how the cap works. At $40m/yr, Dak's cap hit is going to be closer to $30m. If you're going to sign another SB-capable QB, you're looking at $20m. So tell me what you're going to do with that $10m in savings.

You can't do it, because it is flawed logic. It is quite literally what the Commanders have done, and they are nowhere closer to the Super Bowl now than they were 4 years ago when they let Cousins walk.

It's more similar to Andy Reid trading up for Mahomes when he already had Alex Smith. The Chiefs were good enough to make the playoffs every year and lose. If we get the 2nd overall pick Zach Wilson history can repeat itself.

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